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First MLB victory Monday night, first MLB save today.

Way to go young man! (30 years old!)

absolutely WTG

makes me a little nervous though
his misses are no where near the plate

82birds wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 18:14 pm absolutely WTG

makes me a little nervous though
his misses are no where near the plate

Doesn’t make me anymore nervous ryan put the leadoff man on immediately and usually one other hitter helsely

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 18:19 pm

82birds wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 18:14 pm absolutely WTG

makes me a little nervous though
his misses are no where near the plate

Doesn’t make me anymore nervous ryan put the leadoff man on immediately and usually one other hitter helsely

I think I need a translation. Not sure

There’s never been a question about O’Brien’s stuff. His command has been his problem. When you have wicked movement like his, command can be difficult. He might be one of those guys where the target is right down the middle and let the movement do the rest.

82birds wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 18:14 pm absolutely WTG

makes me a little nervous though
his misses are no where near the plate

Strategically wild. Remember Jason Isringhausen. Never a dull outing.

I have not seen him pitch very much, but I have to say, the movement on some of his pitches was really stellar.

Kid has some stuff. Let's see how does in this closer role.

82birds wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 18:14 pm absolutely WTG

makes me a little nervous though
his misses are no where near the plate

That is what makes him extra tough for hitters . His misses can be anywhere so they don't 'dig in ' at the plate for they may have to jump out of the way in a split second. lol
Know what you mean though .

redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 22:19 pm Kid has some stuff. Let's see how does in this closer role.

He said last year he had the butterflies but calmer this year. That's a good sign. Not every good reliever can handle the game on the line pressure situation .

Red7 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 19:36 pm There’s never been a question about O’Brien’s stuff. His command has been his problem. When you have wicked movement like his, command can be difficult. He might be one of those guys where the target is right down the middle and let the movement do the rest.

Unfortunately the same was said of Martinez.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 22:49 pm

Red7 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 19:36 pm There’s never been a question about O’Brien’s stuff. His command has been his problem. When you have wicked movement like his, command can be difficult. He might be one of those guys where the target is right down the middle and let the movement do the rest.

Unfortunately the same was said of Martinez.

Pedro? Actually, they DID say that about Pedro. You know who else? Mariano Rivera. Now, I’m not saying O’Brien is either one of those guys, but it’s real. If you’re talking about Carlos, well, the dude had issues beyond command. If he were white, he’d been diagnosed with ADHD and on Adderol before you could say ADHD. Instead, his lack of focus and discipline were chalked up to cultural rather than mental conditions.

DwaininAztec wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 20:44 pm

82birds wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 18:14 pm absolutely WTG

makes me a little nervous though
his misses are no where near the plate

Strategically wild. Remember Jason Isringhausen. Never a dull outing.

I hate that people remember isringhausen this way. From 2002-2005 izzy was actually a good closer who didnt have the problem of putting too many on with whips from 0.98- 1.19 each of the 4 years. He was dominant.

In 2006 his whip skyrocketed and he got name never easy ozzy because he was struggling to get by as he was putching injuted most the season(and eventually went on injured ljst with looper then wainright takjng over)

2007 he went back to being dominant with 1.071 whip.

The in 2008 he had rough year again at first putting too many runners on then later failing to do job.


But the majority of his cardinals career izzy wasnt actually wild yet people remember his tenure by his bad years

Red7 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 23:06 pm If he were white, he’d been diagnosed with ADHD and on Adderol before you could say ADHD. Instead, his lack of focus and discipline were chalked up to cultural rather than mental conditions.

Wow. That is one heck of an assumption. It is 2025, sir. 2025.

DwaininAztec wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 20:44 pm

82birds wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 18:14 pm absolutely WTG

makes me a little nervous though
his misses are no where near the plate

Strategically wild. Remember Jason Isringhausen. Never a dull outing.

It’s “effectively wild”

11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 22:49 pm

Red7 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 19:36 pm There’s never been a question about O’Brien’s stuff. His command has been his problem. When you have wicked movement like his, command can be difficult. He might be one of those guys where the target is right down the middle and let the movement do the rest.

Unfortunately the same was said of Martinez.

Martinez was a very good pitcher until injuries derailed him and the cardinals didn’t mishandle his development