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DFA Arenado? Would that happen? Nope. No way, no how
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 12:37 pm
by Bully4you
But Bernie Miklasz seems to think they have to rid themselves of this scorn somehow.
What to do?
DFA.
Man, that would be embarrassing for Arenado.
Wow, can't believe some are even thinking that.
https://x.com/b_miklasz/status/1952418719256244246
Re: DFA Arenado? Would that happen? Nope. No way, no how
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 12:41 pm
by JohnnyMO
I think in the offseason I’d tell teams they can have their pick of Noot, Gorman, or Burleson if they take Arenado and his salary.
Re: DFA Arenado? Would that happen? Nope. No way, no how
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 12:48 pm
by Bully4you
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:41 pm
I think in the offseason I’d tell teams they can have their pick of Noot, Gorman, or Burleson if they take Arenado and his salary.
Yep. It may take that or more unfortunately.
Crazy how this turned out.
Re: DFA Arenado? Would that happen? Nope. No way, no how
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 12:52 pm
by rockondlouie
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:41 pm
I think in the offseason I’d tell teams they can have their pick of Noot, Gorman, or Burleson if they take Arenado and his salary.
That could be the only way to get rid of NADO.
That or take back another teams bad contract (like the Yanks offered in M. Stroman).
Re: DFA Arenado? Would that happen? Nope. No way, no how
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 13:03 pm
by Wattage
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:41 pm
I think in the offseason I’d tell teams they can have their pick of Noot, Gorman, or Burleson if they take Arenado and his salary.
Not burleson. Hes been one ofnthe few adequate bats weve had. I would offer noot or gorman though.
Re: DFA Arenado? Would that happen? Nope. No way, no how
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 13:03 pm
by ICCFIM2
No one ever thought Arenado would decline in the manner that he has. Perhaps if his injury heals he can be a borderline 700 OPS guy next year. But, shoulder injuries are always difficult. The Cards have no chance of winning with him. On the IF, we have Gorman, Winn, Wetherholdt, Saggese and Donovan. Gorman and Saggese both don't look good as of now. Do we really want to trade Donovan because there is not room for him because Arenado is at 3B and Wetherholdt gets his spot? My view is that would be terrible asset mismanagement.
I would like to see an IF next year of Wetherholdt 3B, Winn SS, Donovan 2B Contreras 1B. Fermin as the back-up IF is fine. They could trade both Gorman and Saggese in the offseason from my perspective. At least trade 1 of them. If they keep Arenado, for certain both of them get traded and maybe Donovan as well because Arenado is taking a spot. The argument for trading / DFAing Arenado is that the replacement cost is at the ML minimum, so it is not an incremental cost since some team will pick up Arenado and pay him the minimum while the Cards pay the rest.
Gorman has a trade value of 10 an Saggese 9. Not great. But paired with a Nootbar in a trade, the Cards have the potential to get back a decent SP prospect that is potentially ML ready in 2026. They desparately need pitching. If they can get a SP for say those two guys, a line-up that looks like this could be competitive next year.
Donovan 2B
Herrera LF
Wetherholdt 3B
Contreras 1B
Burleson RF
Winn SS
Walker DH (Need improvement here)
Crooks C
Scott CF
Bench, Church (DH improvement/RF?), Pojo, Fermin, Saggese/Gorman (Whichever one they don't trade)
SP
Gray
Liberatore
Leahy
Pallante
Guy they trade for
Doyle may or may not be a factor by July in the starting rotation.
If Walker or Church can develop into 750-800 OPS guys and Wetherholdt adds an 850 OPS bat to the line-up, the line-up is 40-50 runs better next year. Put Arenado back in there and it is worse by the difference between Arenado's production and Donovan's if he is the guy that goes. The line-up is really still missing another big bat in the OF. If it had that, I think that line-up could contend.
Re: DFA Arenado? Would that happen? Nope. No way, no how
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 13:11 pm
by Clubmaker2
You play JJ at 2b and never move him. Leave 3B for NA, BD, etc and BD could always move off it if one of the 3 millions cardinals that seemingly in actuality cant play anywhere but DH have to play 3B to be in the lineup. Lesser defenders but better hitters can wind up at 3B but not likely 2b. Dare we say, JJ hitting huge at 2B would in some ways be like the second (but first to deliver) STL coming of the .......unicorn.
Re: DFA Arenado? Would that happen? Nope. No way, no how
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 13:16 pm
by Bully4you
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:03 pm
No one ever thought Arenado would decline in the manner that he has. Perhaps if his injury heals he can be a borderline 700 OPS guy next year. But, shoulder injuries are always difficult. The Cards have no chance of winning with him. On the IF, we have Gorman, Winn, Wetherholdt, Saggese and Donovan. Gorman and Saggese both don't look good as of now. Do we really want to trade Donovan because there is not room for him because Arenado is at 3B and Wetherholdt gets his spot? My view is that would be terrible asset mismanagement.
I would like to see an IF next year of Wetherholdt 3B, Winn SS, Donovan 2B Contreras 1B. Fermin as the back-up IF is fine. They could trade both Gorman and Saggese in the offseason from my perspective. At least trade 1 of them. If they keep Arenado, for certain both of them get traded and maybe Donovan as well because Arenado is taking a spot. The argument for trading / DFAing Arenado is that the replacement cost is at the ML minimum, so it is not an incremental cost since some team will pick up Arenado and pay him the minimum while the Cards pay the rest.
Gorman has a trade value of 10 an Saggese 9. Not great. But paired with a Nootbar in a trade, the Cards have the potential to get back a decent SP prospect that is potentially ML ready in 2026. They desparately need pitching. If they can get a SP for say those two guys, a line-up that looks like this could be competitive next year.
Donovan 2B
Herrera LF
Wetherholdt 3B
Contreras 1B
Burleson RF
Winn SS
Walker DH (Need improvement here)
Crooks C
Scott CF
Bench, Church (DH improvement/RF?), Pojo, Fermin, Saggese/Gorman (Whichever one they don't trade)
SP
Gray
Liberatore
Leahy
Pallante
Guy they trade for
Doyle may or may not be a factor by July in the starting rotation.
If Walker or Church can develop into 750-800 OPS guys and Wetherholdt adds an 850 OPS bat to the line-up, the line-up is 40-50 runs better next year. Put Arenado back in there and it is worse by the difference between Arenado's production and Donovan's if he is the guy that goes. The line-up is really still missing another big bat in the OF. If it had that, I think that line-up could contend.
ICC, I don't know if that team you presented would win much.
That could be one of the worst defensive teams in the league.
Along with suspect pitching.... Fuhgeddaboudit.
There aren't many really good options with this team.
Current players won't cut it, and the only hope is outside help.
The way dEwitt is talking, doubt we have any major new additions.
Gonna be a rough couple of three years any way you slice it.
The catcher spot will be something to watch.
I wonder if Bloom just blows the whole thing up.
Re: DFA Arenado? Would that happen? Nope. No way, no how
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 13:23 pm
by ICCFIM2
Bully4you wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:16 pm
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:03 pm
No one ever thought Arenado would decline in the manner that he has. Perhaps if his injury heals he can be a borderline 700 OPS guy next year. But, shoulder injuries are always difficult. The Cards have no chance of winning with him. On the IF, we have Gorman, Winn, Wetherholdt, Saggese and Donovan. Gorman and Saggese both don't look good as of now. Do we really want to trade Donovan because there is not room for him because Arenado is at 3B and Wetherholdt gets his spot? My view is that would be terrible asset mismanagement.
I would like to see an IF next year of Wetherholdt 3B, Winn SS, Donovan 2B Contreras 1B. Fermin as the back-up IF is fine. They could trade both Gorman and Saggese in the offseason from my perspective. At least trade 1 of them. If they keep Arenado, for certain both of them get traded and maybe Donovan as well because Arenado is taking a spot. The argument for trading / DFAing Arenado is that the replacement cost is at the ML minimum, so it is not an incremental cost since some team will pick up Arenado and pay him the minimum while the Cards pay the rest.
Gorman has a trade value of 10 an Saggese 9. Not great. But paired with a Nootbar in a trade, the Cards have the potential to get back a decent SP prospect that is potentially ML ready in 2026. They desparately need pitching. If they can get a SP for say those two guys, a line-up that looks like this could be competitive next year.
Donovan 2B
Herrera LF
Wetherholdt 3B
Contreras 1B
Burleson RF
Winn SS
Walker DH (Need improvement here)
Crooks C
Scott CF
Bench, Church (DH improvement/RF?), Pojo, Fermin, Saggese/Gorman (Whichever one they don't trade)
SP
Gray
Liberatore
Leahy
Pallante
Guy they trade for
Doyle may or may not be a factor by July in the starting rotation.
If Walker or Church can develop into 750-800 OPS guys and Wetherholdt adds an 850 OPS bat to the line-up, the line-up is 40-50 runs better next year. Put Arenado back in there and it is worse by the difference between Arenado's production and Donovan's if he is the guy that goes. The line-up is really still missing another big bat in the OF. If it had that, I think that line-up could contend.
ICC, I don't know if that team you presented would win much.
That could be one of the worst defensive teams in the league.
Along with suspect pitching.... Fuhgeddaboudit.
There aren't many really good options with this team.
Current players won't cut it, and the only hope is outside help.
The way dEwitt is talking, doubt we have any major new additions.
Gonna be a rough couple of three years any way you slice it.
The catcher spot will be something to watch.
I wonder if Bloom just blows the whole thing up.
Perhaps they blow it up. But, I am not certain why you think the defense would be so bad. I am assuming Wetherholdt will be a good defender at 3B. If Church is the OF, he along with Scott are good defenders.
Yes, the pitching has a lot of ? marks to answer. We don't know who they can trade for and the impact of Doyle. Also, Leahy could be a decent starter. But, they are likely looking at 2027 at earliest to contend. If we are talking about blowing it up and starting over, then we aren't doing anything until 2030...
Re: DFA Arenado? Would that happen? Nope. No way, no how
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 13:27 pm
by Melville
DeWitt is going to be forced to open wide and swallow large amounts of money.
The only question is when and how much.
He was an idiot to refuse the Yankees when they were asking STL to eat a fair portion of N/A's deal.
He is going to regret that.
STL can quite easily trade N/A in the coming off-season.
I could get it done in 2 or 3 days - maybe even 2-3 hours.
Any intelligent person could.
But DeWitt needs to change his stance to make it happen.
And he will.
Re: DFA Arenado? Would that happen? Nope. No way, no how
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 13:29 pm
by Absolut
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:41 pm
I think in the offseason I’d tell teams they can have their pick of Noot, Gorman, or Burleson if they take Arenado and his salary.
Meh. Not giving up talent and money to get rid of him, IF he agrees to go.
Cut him.
Re: DFA Arenado? Would that happen? Nope. No way, no how
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 16:33 pm
by JohnnyMO
Absolut wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:29 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:41 pm
I think in the offseason I’d tell teams they can have their pick of Noot, Gorman, or Burleson if they take Arenado and his salary.
Meh. Not giving up talent and money to get rid of him, IF he agrees to go.
Cut him.
I’d rather be without one of those three and have 42 million more to spend in 26 and 27. Eating Arenado’s salary is a last resort.
Re: DFA Arenado? Would that happen? Nope. No way, no how
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 17:53 pm
by JuanAgosto
Realistic options regarding Arenado:
1. Keep him through next year. Hoping he bounces back with a decent season. Hurts playing time for others. But maybe (doubtful), he bounces back enough that someone trades for him. If not, eating 1 year of salary is better than 2 years.
2. Attempt to trade him over the winter. That is contingent on him agreeing and some team wanting him. And StL probably has to eat a lot of his salary. And may have to include another player.
3. Trade big and bad salary for someone else's big and bad salary. Don't gain anything financially. But maybe fill a need like pitching.
4. DFA him and hope somebody claims or trades for him. Would alleviate some money lost.
No option is great. Numbers 1 or 3 is most likely.
Re: DFA Arenado? Would that happen? Nope. No way, no how
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 20:17 pm
by Absolut
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 16:33 pm
Absolut wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 13:29 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:41 pm
I think in the offseason I’d tell teams they can have their pick of Noot, Gorman, or Burleson if they take Arenado and his salary.
Meh. Not giving up talent and money to get rid of him, IF he agrees to go.
Cut him.
I’d rather be without one of those three and have 42 million more to spend in 26 and 27. Eating Arenado’s salary is a last resort.
Meh. Mo pockets the savings for the work stoppage. It doesn’t get out back in