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Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 04 Aug 2025 20:09 pm
by ecleme22
I don't think so.
Career stats:
1911 hits
351 HR
.339 OBP
.507 SLUG
.847 OPS
119 OPS+
In Colorado, he had:
-5 SEASONS in row of 37-42 HRs, leading the league three times.
-5 SEASONS of .898 OPS - .962 OPS
That's like having 5 seasons in a row BETTER than his 2022 season...
So what are those numbers if he played outside of Colorado?
Does he even have 300 HRs. Would he even be in line for his 2000th hit? Would his career OPS+ be under 110?
I'm guessing he would be similar to Longoria, Fryman and a little Brooks Robinson, hitting wise.
And with that, he would fall short of the Hall of Fame.
Re: Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 04 Aug 2025 20:29 pm
by DickyBennett
Unless he reaches 65-70 Career WAR and 400 HR he ain’t getting in Cooperstown
He has work to do
Re: Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 04 Aug 2025 21:19 pm
by ramfandan
The 10 Gold Gloves would have happened regardless of where he played ..Colorado or elsewhere .
As for the numbers, the one unique group he is in is : 10 or more GG combines with 350 HR's .. Only 7 players in MLB history has that combination :
Johnny Bench , Willie Mays, Ken Griffey Jr. ,Al Kaline, Mike Schmidt , Andruw Jones,and Nolan Arenado
All are in the HOF except for Jones. He is getting close to the 75% needed with 61 % in 2024. He has two more years eligibility. He has been on the ballot since 2018.
Jones career hitting numbers generally less than Arenado .. .254 BA with Areando 20+ points better
Arenado made the Top 8 in MVP voting 6 times in his career ... Jones made the Top 8 in MVP just 2 times
Not sayig Arenado will be first ballot HOF nope but with Jones getting close now to HOF , Arenado's stats should get him the nod.
Re: Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 04 Aug 2025 21:41 pm
by ecleme22
ramfandan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 21:19 pm
The 10 Gold Gloves would have happened regardless of where he played ..Colorado or elsewhere .
As for the numbers, the one unique group he is in is : 10 or more GG combines with 350 HR's .. Only 7 players in MLB history has that combination :
Johnny Bench , Willie Mays, Ken Griffey Jr. ,Al Kaline, Mike Schmidt , Andruw Jones,and Nolan Arenado
All are in the HOF except for Jones. He is getting close to the 75% needed with 61 % in 2024. He has two more years eligibility. He has been on the ballot since 2018.
Jones career hitting numbers generally less than Arenado .. .254 BA with Areando 20+ points better
Arenado made the Top 8 in MVP voting 6 times in his career ... Jones made the Top 8 in MVP just 2 times
Not sayig Arenado will be first ballot HOF nope but with Jones getting close now to HOF , Arenado's stats should get him the nod.
In other news, did you read my OP?
Re: Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 07:54 am
by ecleme22
Bump
Re: Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 08:42 am
by OldRed
If Arenado gets in the HOF why hasn't Edmands? Or Kenny Boyer for that matter.
Re: Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 08:43 am
by moose-and-squirrel
what were his stats away from COL during that time?
Re: Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 08:47 am
by ecleme22
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 08:43 am
what were his stats away from COL during that time?
.985 OPS at home
.793 OPS away
Re: Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 09:12 am
by ramfandan
ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 21:41 pm
ramfandan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 21:19 pm
The 10 Gold Gloves would have happened regardless of where he played ..Colorado or elsewhere .
As for the numbers, the one unique group he is in is : 10 or more GG combines with 350 HR's .. Only 7 players in MLB history has that combination :
Johnny Bench , Willie Mays, Ken Griffey Jr. ,Al Kaline, Mike Schmidt , Andruw Jones,and Nolan Arenado
All are in the HOF except for Jones. He is getting close to the 75% needed with 61 % in 2024. He has two more years eligibility. He has been on the ballot since 2018.
Jones career hitting numbers generally less than Arenado .. .254 BA with Areando 20+ points better
Arenado made the Top 8 in MVP voting 6 times in his career ... Jones made the Top 8 in MVP just 2 times
Not sayig Arenado will be first ballot HOF nope but with Jones getting close now to HOF , Arenado's stats should get him the nod.
In other news, did you read my OP?
Yes, I sure did.
Re: Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 09:42 am
by ramfandan
Mike Schmidt has consistently praised Nolan Arenado, calling him the "heir apparent" to the greatest third basemen of all time. Schmidt, widely considered the best third baseman ever, has publicly stated that Arenado is on a path to join him and others in Cooperstown. He highlights Arenado's exceptional defense and offensive production, noting that Arenado's numbers are "crazy". Schmidt believes Arenado is the greatest defensive third baseman currently playing and potentially ever.
I think the writers that vote on Hall of Famers will certainly take into consideration comments by his peers. From what I have read and heard on MLB (Mark DeRosa comments included ) , the baseball people seem to think that his combination of superlative defensive , consistent offense , and longevity will earn him a spot in the Hall of Fame.
Yes, his offensive numbers alone don't put him in the HOF but the combination of one of the greatest 3rd baseman defensively and good off. stats should get him a spot in Cooperstown .
Ozzie Smith earned HOF thru his superior defense with decent numbers on offense.
Re: Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 09:48 am
by Basil Shabazz
ramfandan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:42 am
Mike Schmidt has consistently praised Nolan Arenado, calling him the "heir apparent" to the greatest third basemen of all time. Schmidt, widely considered the best third baseman ever, has publicly stated that Arenado is on a path to join him and others in Cooperstown. He highlights Arenado's exceptional defense and offensive production, noting that Arenado's numbers are "crazy". Schmidt believes Arenado is the greatest defensive third baseman currently playing and potentially ever.
I think the writers that vote on Hall of Famers will certainly take into consideration comments by his peers. From what I have read and heard on MLB (Mark DeRosa comments included ) , the baseball people seem to think that his combination of superlative defensive , consistent offense , and longevity will earn him a spot in the Hall of Fame.
Yes, his offensive numbers alone don't put him in the HOF but the combination of one of the greatest 3rd baseman defensively and good off. stats should get him a spot in Cooperstown .
Ozzie Smith earned HOF thru his superior defense with decent numbers on offense.
I love Ozzie, but I am not sure that Ozzie Smith is a HOF player if his career started in 2000. He was definitely a HOF player for his era whne shortstops were defensive first players.
Re: Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 10:47 am
by hmoss859
How has Arenado performed under the bright lights in the Post Season.
Oh that’s right he hasn’t hardly played in Post
Season
Re: Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 10:50 am
by RamFan08NY
ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 08:47 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 08:43 am
what were his stats away from COL during that time?
.985 OPS at home
.793 OPS away
Not a good example. All players typically have better stats at home, regardless of where that "home" is.
Re: Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 10:59 am
by Othawhitemeat
ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 08:47 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 08:43 am
what were his stats away from COL during that time?
.985 OPS at home
.793 OPS away
While he benefitted from Coors, I also think Arenado should be considered that he is one of the best defensive 3rd basemen ever while being a very good offensive player wherever he played. Nolan put up 2 really great years in St. Louis too with 30 and 34 homers with the latter being one of finishing 3rd in MVP voting.
JMO.
Re: Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 11:37 am
by ecleme22
Othawhitemeat wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 10:59 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 08:47 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 08:43 am
what were his stats away from COL during that time?
.985 OPS at home
.793 OPS away
While he benefitted from Coors, I also think Arenado should be considered that he is one of the best defensive 3rd basemen ever while being a very good offensive player wherever he played. Nolan put up 2 really great years in St. Louis too with 30 and 34 homers with the latter being one of finishing 3rd in MVP voting.
JMO.
Eh, he put up one great year. And that great year was worse than his all 5 of his big Colo years.
Re: Would Arenado be an obvious HOFer if he never played in Colorado?
Posted: 05 Aug 2025 11:37 am
by smilinjoefission
His glove gets him in.