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Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:23 pm WORLD SERIES CHAMPION OPENING DAY PAYROLLS

Year Team Opening Day Payrol
2024 Dodgers 1st
2023 Rangers 9th
2022 Astros 10th
2021 Braves 14th
2020 Dodgers 2nd
2019 Nationals 4th
2018 Red Sox 1st
2017 Astros 17th
2016 Cubs 6th
2015 Royals 17th
2014 Giants 7th
2013 Red Sox 4th
2012 Giants 6th
2011 Cardinals 10th
2010 Giants 11th
2009 Yankees 1st
2008 Phillies 13th
2007 Red Sox 2nd
2006 Cardinals 11th
2005 White Sox 13th
2004 Red Sox 2nd
2003 Marlins 25th
2002 Angels 15th
2001 D-backs 8th
2000 Yankees 1st
1999 Yankees 1st
1998 Yankees 2nd
1997 Marlins 5th
1996 Yankees 1st
1995 Braves 4th
1994 No World Series
1993 Blue Jays 3rd
1992 Blue Jays 1st

9/32 had a payroll outside of top 10. However this is opening day payroll and all but 3 ended the season top 10. odds to make playoffs are significantly higher with 82% of playoff teams in that span having top 10 payrolls. Seems like odds slightly Favor high payrolls but I think this is an aborition that is going to change. I think in the next few years a top 10 will be a requirement to have a chance.

Cubs are currently 10 at $212,252,003. When will the Cardinals get back to that like 2006-2011?

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:23 pm WORLD SERIES CHAMPION OPENING DAY PAYROLLS

Year Team Opening Day Payrol
2024 Dodgers 1st
2023 Rangers 9th
2022 Astros 10th
2021 Braves 14th
2020 Dodgers 2nd
2019 Nationals 4th
2018 Red Sox 1st
2017 Astros 17th
2016 Cubs 6th
2015 Royals 17th
2014 Giants 7th
2013 Red Sox 4th
2012 Giants 6th
2011 Cardinals 10th
2010 Giants 11th
2009 Yankees 1st
2008 Phillies 13th
2007 Red Sox 2nd
2006 Cardinals 11th
2005 White Sox 13th
2004 Red Sox 2nd
2003 Marlins 25th
2002 Angels 15th
2001 D-backs 8th
2000 Yankees 1st
1999 Yankees 1st
1998 Yankees 2nd
1997 Marlins 5th
1996 Yankees 1st
1995 Braves 4th
1994 No World Series
1993 Blue Jays 3rd
1992 Blue Jays 1st

9/32 had a payroll outside of top 10 on opening day. However,all but 3 ended the season top 10. odds to make playoffs are significantly higher with 82% of playoff teams in that span having top 10 payrolls. Seems like odds slightly Favor high payrolls but I think this is an aborition that is going to change. I think in the next few years a top 10 will be a requirement to have a chance.

Cubs are currently 10 at $212,252,003. When will the Cardinals get back to that like 2006-2011?

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:33 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:23 pm WORLD SERIES CHAMPION OPENING DAY PAYROLLS

Year Team Opening Day Payrol
2024 Dodgers 1st
2023 Rangers 9th
2022 Astros 10th
2021 Braves 14th
2020 Dodgers 2nd
2019 Nationals 4th
2018 Red Sox 1st
2017 Astros 17th
2016 Cubs 6th
2015 Royals 17th
2014 Giants 7th
2013 Red Sox 4th
2012 Giants 6th
2011 Cardinals 10th
2010 Giants 11th
2009 Yankees 1st
2008 Phillies 13th
2007 Red Sox 2nd
2006 Cardinals 11th
2005 White Sox 13th
2004 Red Sox 2nd
2003 Marlins 25th
2002 Angels 15th
2001 D-backs 8th
2000 Yankees 1st
1999 Yankees 1st
1998 Yankees 2nd
1997 Marlins 5th
1996 Yankees 1st
1995 Braves 4th
1994 No World Series
1993 Blue Jays 3rd
1992 Blue Jays 1st

9/32 had a payroll outside of top 10 on opening day. However,all but 3 ended the season top 10. odds to make playoffs are significantly higher with 82% of playoff teams in that span having top 10 payrolls. Seems like odds slightly Favor high payrolls but I think this is an aborition that is going to change. I think in the next few years a top 10 will be a requirement to have a chance.

Cubs are currently 10 at $212,252,003. When will the Cardinals get back to that like 2006-2011?

From looking at the list especially recent years it’s the teams that either tank to rebuild or spend that win. So cards probably need one or the other

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:39 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:33 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:23 pm WORLD SERIES CHAMPION OPENING DAY PAYROLLS

Year Team Opening Day Payrol
2024 Dodgers 1st
2023 Rangers 9th
2022 Astros 10th
2021 Braves 14th
2020 Dodgers 2nd
2019 Nationals 4th
2018 Red Sox 1st
2017 Astros 17th
2016 Cubs 6th
2015 Royals 17th
2014 Giants 7th
2013 Red Sox 4th
2012 Giants 6th
2011 Cardinals 10th
2010 Giants 11th
2009 Yankees 1st
2008 Phillies 13th
2007 Red Sox 2nd
2006 Cardinals 11th
2005 White Sox 13th
2004 Red Sox 2nd
2003 Marlins 25th
2002 Angels 15th
2001 D-backs 8th
2000 Yankees 1st
1999 Yankees 1st
1998 Yankees 2nd
1997 Marlins 5th
1996 Yankees 1st
1995 Braves 4th
1994 No World Series
1993 Blue Jays 3rd
1992 Blue Jays 1st

9/32 had a payroll outside of top 10 on opening day. However,all but 3 ended the season top 10. odds to make playoffs are significantly higher with 82% of playoff teams in that span having top 10 payrolls. Seems like odds slightly Favor high payrolls but I think this is an aborition that is going to change. I think in the next few years a top 10 will be a requirement to have a chance.

Cubs are currently 10 at $212,252,003. When will the Cardinals get back to that like 2006-2011?

From looking at the list especially recent years it’s the teams that either tank to rebuild or spend that win. So cards probably need one or the other

Payroll might be the wrong way to look at this list. Look at “market size”. Not many teams winning from small markets.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:40 pm It doesn't hurt. But most teams need to spend WISELY. When Mo was allowed to spend a decent amount, he squandered it like an idiot.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:40 pm It doesn't hurt. But most teams need to spend WISELY. When Mo was allowed to spend a decent amount, he squandered it like an idiot.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:43 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:39 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:33 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:23 pm WORLD SERIES CHAMPION OPENING DAY PAYROLLS

Year Team Opening Day Payrol
2024 Dodgers 1st
2023 Rangers 9th
2022 Astros 10th
2021 Braves 14th
2020 Dodgers 2nd
2019 Nationals 4th
2018 Red Sox 1st
2017 Astros 17th
2016 Cubs 6th
2015 Royals 17th
2014 Giants 7th
2013 Red Sox 4th
2012 Giants 6th
2011 Cardinals 10th
2010 Giants 11th
2009 Yankees 1st
2008 Phillies 13th
2007 Red Sox 2nd
2006 Cardinals 11th
2005 White Sox 13th
2004 Red Sox 2nd
2003 Marlins 25th
2002 Angels 15th
2001 D-backs 8th
2000 Yankees 1st
1999 Yankees 1st
1998 Yankees 2nd
1997 Marlins 5th
1996 Yankees 1st
1995 Braves 4th
1994 No World Series
1993 Blue Jays 3rd
1992 Blue Jays 1st

9/32 had a payroll outside of top 10 on opening day. However,all but 3 ended the season top 10. odds to make playoffs are significantly higher with 82% of playoff teams in that span having top 10 payrolls. Seems like odds slightly Favor high payrolls but I think this is an aborition that is going to change. I think in the next few years a top 10 will be a requirement to have a chance.

Cubs are currently 10 at $212,252,003. When will the Cardinals get back to that like 2006-2011?

From looking at the list especially recent years it’s the teams that either tank to rebuild or spend that win. So cards probably need one or the other

Payroll might be the wrong way to look at this list. Look at “market size”. Not many teams winning from small markets.

True but the royals cubs and astros won because of tanking

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:47 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:40 pm It doesn't hurt. But most teams need to spend WISELY. When Mo was allowed to spend a decent amount, he squandered it like an idiot.

I just wonder why other teams are spending and the Cardinals are willing to cut payroll by $100m (after this season) and let 1.2-1.5m fans go elsewhere for entertainment. Seems like a bad business plan unless they just know a long labor stoppage is coming but even then let’s say 2 years is gone. They don’t have players on the roster to bring fans back quickly. So after a stoppage they want a 2-3 year rebuild? They may as well sell the team because after a stoppage and rebuild I for one will have moved onto something else.

Banner29 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:49 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:40 pm It doesn't hurt. But most teams need to spend WISELY. When Mo was allowed to spend a decent amount, he squandered it like an idiot.

Correct. The Cardinals aren’t the Dodgers or the New Yorks where they can spend whatever they want. They aren’t TB or Milwaukee where they can’t spend and have to almost solely rely on the farm. They have always been able to provide a very healthy mix of both. They easily could have handed out contracts to guys like Bryce Harper and Max Scherzer, for example, and not be hamstrung financially. They just chose to give out chit contracts and let their farm system go to complete he//. And instead of owning it they double down and just gaslight the fans who have caught on and choose to stay home now.

What was once baseball’s envy is now a clown show

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:47 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:40 pm It doesn't hurt. But most teams need to spend WISELY. When Mo was allowed to spend a decent amount, he squandered it like an idiot.

I just wonder why other teams are spending and the Cardinals are willing to cut payroll by $100m (after this season) and let 1.2-1.5m fans go elsewhere for entertainment. Seems like a bad business plan unless they just know a long labor stoppage is coming but even then let’s say 2 years is gone. They don’t have players on the roster to bring fans back quickly. So after a stoppage they want a 2-3 year rebuild? They may as well sell the team because after a stoppage and rebuild I for one will have moved onto something else.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:20 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:47 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:40 pm It doesn't hurt. But most teams need to spend WISELY. When Mo was allowed to spend a decent amount, he squandered it like an idiot.

I just wonder why other teams are spending and the Cardinals are willing to cut payroll by $100m (after this season) and let 1.2-1.5m fans go elsewhere for entertainment. Seems like a bad business plan unless they just know a long labor stoppage is coming but even then let’s say 2 years is gone. They don’t have players on the roster to bring fans back quickly. So after a stoppage they want a 2-3 year rebuild? They may as well sell the team because after a stoppage and rebuild I for one will have moved onto something else.

I wonder if they are indeed planning for a sell.

45s wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:24 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:20 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:47 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:40 pm It doesn't hurt. But most teams need to spend WISELY. When Mo was allowed to spend a decent amount, he squandered it like an idiot.

I just wonder why other teams are spending and the Cardinals are willing to cut payroll by $100m (after this season) and let 1.2-1.5m fans go elsewhere for entertainment. Seems like a bad business plan unless they just know a long labor stoppage is coming but even then let’s say 2 years is gone. They don’t have players on the roster to bring fans back quickly. So after a stoppage they want a 2-3 year rebuild? They may as well sell the team because after a stoppage and rebuild I for one will have moved onto something else.

I wonder if they are indeed planning for a sell.

Could be a ploy to get the state to improve the current, or build a new stadium..

Let the possibility of a sale get out there..and see the response…

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:34 pm

45s wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:24 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:20 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:47 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:40 pm It doesn't hurt. But most teams need to spend WISELY. When Mo was allowed to spend a decent amount, he squandered it like an idiot.

I just wonder why other teams are spending and the Cardinals are willing to cut payroll by $100m (after this season) and let 1.2-1.5m fans go elsewhere for entertainment. Seems like a bad business plan unless they just know a long labor stoppage is coming but even then let’s say 2 years is gone. They don’t have players on the roster to bring fans back quickly. So after a stoppage they want a 2-3 year rebuild? They may as well sell the team because after a stoppage and rebuild I for one will have moved onto something else.

I wonder if they are indeed planning for a sell.

Could be a ploy to get the state to improve the current, or build a new stadium..

Let the possibility of a sale get out there..and see the response…

If they do plan to sell a low budget playoff team would make sense. The 15% increase in season ticket price doesn’t. Why drive down the commited revenue? This seems to me to be like when the Busch son took over in the early 90s and lowered payroll.