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I just don’t [fork]ing get why the Cardinals refuse to do the smart moves

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:08 pm I just don’t [fork]ing get why the Cardinals refuse to do the smart moves

2-3 more years is NOT acceptable. Bloom doesn't have that long. We've already been bad since 23, so thats 3 years. 3 more is not OK.

Boston went worst to first in a single year, twice. Why can't we do it in less than 6?

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:10 pm

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:08 pm I just don’t [fork]ing get why the Cardinals refuse to do the smart moves

2-3 more years is NOT acceptable. Bloom doesn't have that long. We've already been bad since 23, so thats 3 years. 3 more is not OK.

Boston went worst to first in a single year, twice. Why can't we do it in less than 6?

We have $75 million committed in contracts next season, and half of that is Gray’s last year. There is no excuse not to spend in the offseason, other than trying to become the Pirates.

yep money to get a number two pitcher yet 101 reported Good was informed by Cardinals it will be a "quiet" off season. With all the dry powder , how could you not do that this off season as worst case you could not pick up Grays 2027 option. Interesting is how no one on the 101 radio shows says hey they got the money they will get a 2. Its, they will get a one year rehab veteran starter...

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:08 pm I just don’t [fork]ing get why the Cardinals refuse to do the smart moves

You know why. Look up top. But you already knew that

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:10 pm

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:08 pm I just don’t [fork]ing get why the Cardinals refuse to do the smart moves

2-3 more years is NOT acceptable. Bloom doesn't have that long. We've already been bad since 23, so thats 3 years. 3 more is not OK.

Boston went worst to first in a single year, twice. Why can't we do it in less than 6?

DeWitt won’t allow Bloom to do what is needed to flip this quick. This is going to be a slow process where we see a ton of fan favorites getting a standing ovation when they return to STL as a visitor.

Clubmaker2 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:40 pm yep money to get a number two pitcher yet 101 reported Good was informed by Cardinals it will be a "quiet" off season. With all the dry powder , how could you not do that this off season as worst case you could not pick up Grays 2027 option. Interesting is how no one on the 101 radio shows says hey they got the money they will get a 2. Its, they will get a one year rehab veteran starter...

What do you mean “ get a 2”? Who’s #1? It sure as [shirt] isn’t Gray. He’s nothing more than a 3 at this point.

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:47 pm

Clubmaker2 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:40 pm yep money to get a number two pitcher yet 101 reported Good was informed by Cardinals it will be a "quiet" off season. With all the dry powder , how could you not do that this off season as worst case you could not pick up Grays 2027 option. Interesting is how no one on the 101 radio shows says hey they got the money they will get a 2. Its, they will get a one year rehab veteran starter...

What do you mean “ get a 2”? Who’s #1? It sure as [shirt] isn’t Gray. He’s nothing more than a 3 at this point.

See how the cards have beaten down my expectations over the years... You are correct Sir.

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:28 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:10 pm

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:08 pm I just don’t [fork]ing get why the Cardinals refuse to do the smart moves

2-3 more years is NOT acceptable. Bloom doesn't have that long. We've already been bad since 23, so thats 3 years. 3 more is not OK.

Boston went worst to first in a single year, twice. Why can't we do it in less than 6?

We have $75 million committed in contracts next season, and half of that is Gray’s last year. There is no excuse not to spend in the offseason, other than trying to become the Pirates.

Three words..pending work stoppage...

They'll never say it, but that is why they won't spend. Trades are a different story.

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:08 pm I just don’t [fork]ing get why the Cardinals refuse to do the smart moves

LOL...Getting mad because they won't totally scuttle the team is something a baby would do. They should plan on additions in the off season and competing next year, not 2-3 years from now. You have to sell tickets next year. You have no crystal ball, you don't know that they won't contend. They young guys take a step forward and no Fedde or Mikols makes a difference. Add a batter and a pitcher, bring up JJ and see what he has. Jojo is a big part of that. Very good lefty relievers are hard to come by.

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 18:09 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:28 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:10 pm

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:08 pm I just don’t [fork]ing get why the Cardinals refuse to do the smart moves

2-3 more years is NOT acceptable. Bloom doesn't have that long. We've already been bad since 23, so thats 3 years. 3 more is not OK.

Boston went worst to first in a single year, twice. Why can't we do it in less than 6?

We have $75 million committed in contracts next season, and half of that is Gray’s last year. There is no excuse not to spend in the offseason, other than trying to become the Pirates.

Three words..pending work stoppage...

They'll never say it, but that is why they won't spend. Trades are a different story.

And eroding their fan base in the process. 4D chess. Now let’s get those Busch Stadium renovations publicly financed!

Plenty of time this winter for C. Bloom to make deals.

Players like JoJo, Donny, Noot, Burly ect....can easily go then.

Clubmaker2 wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:40 pm yep money to get a number two pitcher yet 101 reported Good was informed by Cardinals it will be a "quiet" off season. With all the dry powder , how could you not do that this off season as worst case you could not pick up Grays 2027 option. Interesting is how no one on the 101 radio shows says hey they got the money they will get a 2. Its, they will get a one year rehab veteran starter...

I say wait on how Gray pitches the rest of the year about his option
He didn't have a good July
Just saying

"We need some veteran certainty in the BP for next year"
"We don't have any other LHP"
"We really like what he brings to the clubhouse and the younger guys"

Can't really think of any other lame excuses but may be missing one or two.

With King possibly out for an extended period, trading 4 bullpen pieces would have been too much of a burden for our organizational pitching depth to fill. We have to fill 4 spots now and would have been 5 had we traded JOJO. Do you want to sacrifice development time for a trade that would have netted an uncertain return?

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 08:57 am Plenty of time this winter for C. Bloom to make deals.

Players like JoJo, Donny, Noot, Burly ect....can easily go then.

True. After Helsley, Matz, and Maton were traded, the bullpen was barren - not just for the rest of this season, but for next year also. JoJo is signed at a very reasonable deal for '26, and he was the last seasoned late inning reliever left. Even though the Cards will probably not be competitive next year, they will still need a bullpen not just staffed by kids and/or weak vets.

I understand fully why Romero was held on to. As for Donovan, Burleson, and Noot - as Mo explained - the Cardinals did not receive any acceptable offers. No need to trade them now for weak returns.

Hopefully Bloom will make some significant moves this winter.