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No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:08 pm
by ggnoobs
I think the Cardinals should implement an organizational policy to not give out No Trade Clauses.
It seems like they have been one of the biggest hurdles to rebuild. Having to keep Arenado around and Gray is horrible for rebuilding.
I think they just need to have a policy that they don't do NTCs.
Re: No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:09 pm
by noted
ggnoobs wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:08 pm
I think the Cardinals should implement an organizational policy to not give out No Trade Clauses.
It seems like they have been one of the biggest hurdles to rebuild. Having to keep Arenado around and Gray is horrible for rebuilding.
I think they just need to have a policy that they don't do NTCs.
Ok - then good luck being able to ever sign good players and get used to always being mediocre...
Re: No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:13 pm
by ggnoobs
The Dodgers are famous for not giving out No Trade Clauses.
They've made one exception in the last like 10 years- Shohei Ohtani
Re: No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:13 pm
by sdaltons
Yep that would be the end of signing FAs lol
Re: No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:16 pm
by ggnoobs
ggnoobs wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:13 pm
The Dodgers are famous for not giving out No Trade Clauses.
They've made one exception in the last like 10 years- Shohei Ohtani
To piggyback on this, they didn't give a NTC to Kershaw, Betts or Freeman.
It can be done.
Eventually the good players get 10/5 rights, which is fine.
Re: No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:24 pm
by rbirules
ggnoobs wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:16 pm
ggnoobs wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:13 pm
The Dodgers are famous for not giving out No Trade Clauses.
They've made one exception in the last like 10 years- Shohei Ohtani
To piggyback on this, they didn't give a NTC to Kershaw, Betts or Freeman.
It can be done.
Eventually the good players get 10/5 rights, which is fine.
Kershaw has signed a series of short term deals with the Dodgers, that's where he wants to be and they aren't going to trade him, plus he already had 10/5 rights, so a NTC is useless.
Betts' deferred money has to automatically be paid in each season if traded that makes a trade more difficult. Plus after 5 years he has 10/5 rights. Freeman is similar.
Oh, and the Dodgers have a high enough payroll that they don't have to trade away big contracts because they don't have to rebuild. You don't have to give top FAs a NTC to lure them to your team if you pay them enough money for it to not be necessary, or if you are a team like the Dodgers where they know they aren't going to be traded.
A NTC has value to a player, if you don't want to include it then you have to pay them more for the contract without one to be worth the same amount as a contract with one,
to them.
Re: No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:29 pm
by An Old Friend
ggnoobs wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:08 pm
I think the Cardinals should implement an organizational policy to not give out No Trade Clauses.
It seems like they have been one of the biggest hurdles to rebuild. Having to keep Arenado around and Gray is horrible for rebuilding.
I think they just need to have a policy that they don't do NTCs.
Then they have to be prepared to go even higher over market to get the guys they want.
You see that happening?
Cardinals are turning into a small market franchise. Unless the model significantly changes coming out of the upcoming lockout, they're not participating in any of this, anyway.
There is a reason they're grabbing guys who've grown up in organizations like Tampa and Cleveland.
Re: No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:30 pm
by noted
ggnoobs wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:08 pm
I think the Cardinals should implement an organizational policy to not give out No Trade Clauses.
It seems like they have been one of the biggest hurdles to rebuild. Having to keep Arenado around and Gray is horrible for rebuilding.
I think they just need to have a policy that they don't do NTCs.
If the Cardinals didn't give Sonny Gray a no trade close, then he never would have been a Cardinal.
Nolan Arenado already had the no trade clause when the Cardinals acquired him.
Re: No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:30 pm
by Cardinals4Life
ggnoobs wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:08 pm
I think the Cardinals should implement an organizational policy to not give out No Trade Clauses.
It seems like they have been one of the biggest hurdles to rebuild. Having to keep Arenado around and Gray is horrible for rebuilding.
I think they just need to have a policy that they don't do NTCs.
That's just an excuse. Should be able to rebuild around 4 NTCs on a team, especially when 1 is an impending FA, 1 is your Ace, and 1 is playing 1st Base where there is no one pushing for time there. Lol
It doesn't take too big of a brain to rebuild with those
Re: No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:31 pm
by An Old Friend
noted wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:30 pm
ggnoobs wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:08 pm
I think the Cardinals should implement an organizational policy to not give out No Trade Clauses.
It seems like they have been one of the biggest hurdles to rebuild. Having to keep Arenado around and Gray is horrible for rebuilding.
I think they just need to have a policy that they don't do NTCs.
If the Cardinals didn't give Sonny Gray a no trade close, then he never would have been a Cardinal.
Nolan Arenado already had the no trade clause when the Cardinals acquired him.
Yeah, you have to be pretty tone deaf to not understand why the Cardinals have been using them.
Re: No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:33 pm
by sdaltons
NTCs are typically used to help push a contract offer over the finish line when there are similar offers from other teams.
The Dodgers have the ability to offer way more cash than anyone else, plus higher odds of WS titles. One can understand why they can get guys to sign without including NTCs.
Re: No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:34 pm
by rightthinker4
rbirules wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:24 pm
ggnoobs wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:16 pm
ggnoobs wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:13 pm
The Dodgers are famous for not giving out No Trade Clauses.
They've made one exception in the last like 10 years- Shohei Ohtani
To piggyback on this, they didn't give a NTC to Kershaw, Betts or Freeman.
It can be done.
Eventually the good players get 10/5 rights, which is fine.
Kershaw has signed a series of short term deals with the Dodgers, that's where he wants to be and they aren't going to trade him, plus he already had 10/5 rights, so a NTC is useless.
Betts' deferred money has to automatically be paid in each season if traded that makes a trade more difficult. Plus after 5 years he has 10/5 rights. Freeman is similar.
Oh, and the Dodgers have a high enough payroll that they don't have to trade away big contracts because they don't have to rebuild. You don't have to give top FAs a NTC to lure them to your team if you pay them enough money for it to not be necessary, or if you are a team like the Dodgers where they know they aren't going to be traded.
A NTC has value to a player, if you don't want to include it then you have to pay them more for the contract without one to be worth the same amount as a contract with one,
to them.
Right. The Cardinals can’t afford the cost of buying out a NTC. It’s a bargaining chip a free agent has.
Re: No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:35 pm
by Ozziesfan41
ggnoobs wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:08 pm
I think the Cardinals should implement an organizational policy to not give out No Trade Clauses.
It seems like they have been one of the biggest hurdles to rebuild. Having to keep Arenado around and Gray is horrible for rebuilding.
I think they just need to have a policy that they don't do NTCs.
Well if the plan is to never sign any good free agents then yea I guess they could do it it would be dumb but they could do it. What they don’t need to do is what mo did and volunteer the no trade clause to show a team commitment to the player.
Re: No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:39 pm
by renostl
rbirules wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:24 pm
ggnoobs wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:16 pm
ggnoobs wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:13 pm
The Dodgers are famous for not giving out No Trade Clauses.
They've made one exception in the last like 10 years- Shohei Ohtani
To piggyback on this, they didn't give a NTC to Kershaw, Betts or Freeman.
It can be done.
Eventually the good players get 10/5 rights, which is fine.
Kershaw has signed a series of short term deals with the Dodgers, that's where he wants to be and they aren't going to trade him, plus he already had 10/5 rights, so a NTC is useless.
Betts' deferred money has to automatically be paid in each season if traded that makes a trade more difficult. Plus after 5 years he has 10/5 rights. Freeman is similar.
Oh, and the Dodgers have a high enough payroll that they don't have to trade away big contracts because they don't have to rebuild. You don't have to give top FAs a NTC to lure them to your team if you pay them enough money for it to not be necessary, or if you are a team like the Dodgers where they know they aren't going to be traded.
A NTC has value to a player, if you don't want to include it then you have to pay them more for the contract without one to be worth the same amount as a contract with one,
to them.
Not to mention that a player with a big enough contract
that isn't producing up to that contract creates its own NTC.
Re: No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:41 pm
by ggnoobs
An Old Friend wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:31 pm
noted wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:30 pm
ggnoobs wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:08 pm
I think the Cardinals should implement an organizational policy to not give out No Trade Clauses.
It seems like they have been one of the biggest hurdles to rebuild. Having to keep Arenado around and Gray is horrible for rebuilding.
I think they just need to have a policy that they don't do NTCs.
If the Cardinals didn't give Sonny Gray a no trade close, then he never would have been a Cardinal.
Nolan Arenado already had the no trade clause when the Cardinals acquired him.
Yeah, you have to be pretty tone deaf to not understand why the Cardinals have been using them.
Never said I didn't understand why the Cardinals use them.
But this rebuild/retool is sunk because of them.
I'd rather they blow it up and get better in 3 years than be mediocre for the next 10, like the last 10.
Re: No Trade Clauses
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 15:42 pm
by hullie
ggnoobs wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 15:08 pm
I think the Cardinals should implement an organizational policy to not give out No Trade Clauses.
It seems like they have been one of the biggest hurdles to rebuild. Having to keep Arenado around and Gray is horrible for rebuilding.
I think they just need to have a policy that they don't do NTCs.
Did they give NA one?