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These are future cornerstone players. They excelled at AAA and they will excel in St Louis. Winn is already one of the better SS in baseball, right now. Walker has too much talent to trade. He will only get better. Trade away Noot, he is what he is. I think we've seen his top. If they're going to trade Donny it has to be for something established. No lottery tickets. Value for value. Actually, Winn, Walker and Scott are the future. Trade them at your own peril.

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 07:50 am These are future cornerstone players. They excelled at AAA and they will excel in St Louis. Winn is already one of the better SS in baseball, right now. Walker has too much talent to trade. He will only get better. Trade away Noot, he is what he is. I think we've seen his top. If they're going to trade Donny it has to be for something established. No lottery tickets. Value for value. Actually, Winn, Walker and Scott are the future. Trade them at your own peril.

no offense, but if Scott is the answer, I don't wanna know the question

In which stint in AAA did Walker "excel?"

For a great return I would trade Winn. J J can play short. Walker would only be a sweetener for a package deal.

I don't see either being "cornerstone" players.

Walker is showing signs of life (Last 9 GP: .303 .343 .455 .797) and is still young enough to get back on track but he's regressed terribly from his strong rookie season:
2024/2025
.214 .267 .340 .608


Winn's offense is nothing special either and trending downward, since June 1st:
.258 .291 .337 .628

Winn is an asset for his glove.

If he's your sixth-seventh best player, then he's fine.

Walker's defense has slipped (again) to -7 DRS so he's a liability in RF and is not the type of player you want to build around.


I'd trade ether in the right deal but I want Bloom making that call this offseason.

JMO

Funny how often I see folks taking a position against trading Walker - just as most did over the past 3+ years with Lars The Human Sushi-baar and are now clamoring to see him moved.

Melville wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 10:26 am Funny how often I see folks taking a position against trading Walker - just as most did over the past 3+ years with Lars The Human Sushi-baar and are now clamoring to see him moved.

Noot and Walker are not even remotely the same type of prospects

Signal that Walker is available…….and gauge the response….

If there is significant interest…..keep him..

If Walker is not good in right, I’d consider first in his future once Willy leaves.

Walker
Donovan
Winn
JJ.

Formidable with two possible sticks on the corners.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 08:52 am I don't see either being "cornerstone" players.

Walker is showing signs of life (Last 9 GP: .303 .343 .455 .797) and is still young enough to get back on track but he's regressed terribly from his strong rookie season:
2024/2025
.214 .267 .340 .608


Winn's offense is nothing special either and trending downward, since June 1st:
.258 .291 .337 .628

Winn is an asset for his glove.

If he's your sixth-seventh best player, then he's fine.

Walker's defense has slipped (again) to -7 DRS so he's a liability in RF and is not the type of player you want to build around.


I'd trade ether in the right deal but I want Bloom making that call this offseason.

JMO

‘Trending’ is a funny word.

Implies that Winn is just gonna keep getting worse. But if he has an .800 ops in August, then of course we will see more “I hope JJ is getting work at 2b!” threads…

45s wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 10:32 am Signal that Walker is available…….and gauge the response….

If there is significant interest…..keep him..

The cardinals should not need other teams to validate player evaluation. What a losing way to run a franchise.

45s wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 10:32 am Signal that Walker is available…….and gauge the response….

If there is significant interest…..keep him..

Wait, what?

woofy25 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 10:41 am

45s wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 10:32 am Signal that Walker is available…….and gauge the response….

If there is significant interest…..keep him..

The cardinals should not need other teams to validate player evaluation. What a losing way to run a franchise.

No they should not…

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 10:44 am

45s wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 10:32 am Signal that Walker is available…….and gauge the response….

If there is significant interest…..keep him..

Wait, what?

Jeff Luhnow tells this story..

When he was rebuilding in H….Tucker was bouncing back and forth from the minors…and struggling at the big league level …..every club he is pursued a deal with confirmed his belief in Tucker because they wanted him….

I wouldn’t quit on Walker so soon…

As to the stl organization not knowing what they are doing ……well, duh…

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 07:50 am These are future cornerstone players. They excelled at AAA and they will excel in St Louis. Winn is already one of the better SS in baseball, right now. Walker has too much talent to trade. He will only get better. Trade away Noot, he is what he is. I think we've seen his top. If they're going to trade Donny it has to be for something established. No lottery tickets. Value for value. Actually, Winn, Walker and Scott are the future. Trade them at your own peril.

Since there isn't any need to trade any of the players you
mentioned, I doubt you have any worries.

Winns first 2 full seasons may have an OPS > .700 in a D first position.
That's something Ozzie didn't do until his 30 season. An "average" bat there is plenty.
Cards have done well with far less than a Winn at SS.

Scott is in a position that allows for average, But he hasn't got there yet and needs
to. There's hope and some promise.

Walker has to bring it offensively. We don't get to really know what is happening behind the scenes,
how good his buy in is or isn't. It's more difficult to be patient if he's resistant. His bat to ball or good.
The Corners have to produce.

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 10:29 am

Melville wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 10:26 am Funny how often I see folks taking a position against trading Walker - just as most did over the past 3+ years with Lars The Human Sushi-baar and are now clamoring to see him moved.

Noot and Walker are not even remotely the same type of prospects

Not the point.
Folks were wrong about hanging onto Mootbaar because of what they dreamed end hoped he could become (some even foolishly proclaimed him to be one of the best outfielders in all of baseball).
It is a good reminder concerning Walker.
Hopes and dreams are not a strategy.
Real leadership thinking is simply making the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION concerning how to manage the roster now.
Maybe Walker should be traded.
Maybe not.
But hope should have nothing to do with it.