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IMHO there is no doubt the cards should be big time sellers of all of people who wont be coming back but darn it they refuse to completely collapse...being decent is the worst place to be..you arent bad enough to rebuild but you arent good enough to really contend and the problem is this is a spot that is easy to remain for years

I think they are bad enough, they just don't have the stomach for a real sell off.

Who exactly are we “selling”??
Trading pending FA’s that you don’t figure to sign is a no-brainer and most every team does that.
Then you have the Arenado situation and he could certainly be moved.
Outside of that....who do the Cards “sell”???

A lot of that is because DeWitt refuses to add what it would take to make them contenders.

Cusecards wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 20:46 pm Who exactly are we “selling”??
Trading pending FA’s that you don’t figure to sign is a no-brainer and most every team does that.
Then you have the Arenado situation and he could certainly be moved.
Outside of that....who do the Cards “sell”???

Burleson, Donovan, Nootbaar come quickly to mind. All lefty hitters and it would be nice to get a bit more right handed power. Should bring back some near ready prospects. Just have to find teams that match.

Helsley, Maton, and Matz should all be sold. Keep Romero. Resign Maton if he's willing.

Fedde, Mikolas, Hampson have no value so you just keep them if you don't have guys looking for their PT.

We have several AAA relievers waiting for a chance in MLB and these guys are blocking that chance in 2025.

Burleson, Gorman, and Walker should be trade chips to buy pitching prospects, too. However, the Cards need to project to be the long term winner of the trade or no deal.

Listen to offers on others.

MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 20:53 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 20:46 pm Who exactly are we “selling”??
Trading pending FA’s that you don’t figure to sign is a no-brainer and most every team does that.
Then you have the Arenado situation and he could certainly be moved.
Outside of that....who do the Cards “sell”???

Burleson, Donovan, Nootbaar come quickly to mind. All lefty hitters and it would be nice to get a bit more right handed power. Should bring back some near ready prospects. Just have to find teams that match.

Any of the 3 could be moved. Donovan being the least likely. I’d only move him in a package for a top notch starter.
Burleson’s bat has been coming around.
I’d deal Noot before his value tanks.
To me he is injury prone and Blah.

Cusecards wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 20:46 pm Who exactly are we “selling”??
Trading pending FA’s that you don’t figure to sign is a no-brainer and most every team does that.
Then you have the Arenado situation and he could certainly be moved.
Outside of that....who do the Cards “sell”???

I trade matz, helsley,maton,arenda,gray if there is a market..I am not looking to trade just to trade..burly,noot etc are certainly available if there is a deal to improve but it is the players who are not coming back who I move for sure..

jbrach wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 21:04 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 20:46 pm Who exactly are we “selling”??
Trading pending FA’s that you don’t figure to sign is a no-brainer and most every team does that.
Then you have the Arenado situation and he could certainly be moved.
Outside of that....who do the Cards “sell”???

I trade matz, helsley,maton,arenda,gray if there is a market..I am not looking to trade just to trade..burly,noot etc are certainly available if there is a deal to improve but it is the players who are not coming back who I move for sure..

Of course it always depends on the return.
If they deal Helsley I’d hang on to Maton as a late inning guy.
Matz is likely traded but would he consider staying on if he was offered a decent deal as Closer?
Arenado should go but who knows and I’m tired of that whole saga.
I think Gray stays.

There's no one besides Helsley who has enough value to be worth trading. Except for controlled players who could just as easily be moved during the offseason.

We sold hard in 2023 and so far have 0 WAR to show for that "haul". More Saggeses isn't going to turn us into a 100 win team.

Cusecards wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 21:10 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 21:04 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 20:46 pm Who exactly are we “selling”??
Trading pending FA’s that you don’t figure to sign is a no-brainer and most every team does that.
Then you have the Arenado situation and he could certainly be moved.
Outside of that....who do the Cards “sell”???

I trade matz, helsley,maton,arenda,gray if there is a market..I am not looking to trade just to trade..burly,noot etc are certainly available if there is a deal to improve but it is the players who are not coming back who I move for sure..

Of course it always depends on the return.
If they deal Helsley I’d hang on to Maton as a late inning guy.
Matz is likely traded but would he consider staying on if he was offered a decent deal as Closer?
Arenado should go but who knows and I’m tired of that whole saga.
I think Gray stays.

Matz as closer?..seriously?...

...Here's what CoPilot, Google's AI software has to say about a possible Helsley trade...

"Let’s sketch out what a Ryan Helsley trade package might look like and how Chaim Bloom could reshape the Cardinals roster post-Mozeliak:

Helsley Trade Package Scenarios
Given Helsley’s expiring contract and elite velocity, here are three realistic trade frameworks:
| Team | Return Possibilities | Rationale |
| Dodgers | OF Andy Pages + RP Nick Frasso | Dodgers need bullpen help; Pages is blocked in LA’s outfield logjam |
| Tigers | SP Ty Madden + IF Jace Jung | Detroit’s bullpen is collapsing; Madden offers MLB-ready upside |
| Phillies | RP Orion Kerkering + PTBNL | Phillies want playoff-tested arms; Kerkering is a high-upside reliever |


- Helsley has a 3.09 ERA, 20 saves, and a 25.5% strikeout rate in 2025.
- He’s a two-time All-Star and still hits 99+ mph on the radar gun.
- He’s projected to sign for $81 million in free agency, so contenders may view him as a rental with upside.

Chaim Bloom’s Post-Mozeliak Vision
Bloom’s reputation as a rebuild architect suggests a pivot toward long-term sustainability:
- Roster Efficiency: Expect a purge of aging contracts (e.g., Willson Contreras) and a focus on controllable talent.
- Farm System Overhaul: Bloom may replicate his “Rays Way” blueprint—emphasizing player development and analytics.
- Unpopular but Strategic Trades: Like his Mookie Betts deal in Boston, Bloom won’t shy away from moving fan favorites if it means future flexibility.

What’s Next?
- Helsley’s own words: “I would say it’s 90 percent I go, 10 percent I stay”.
- If traded, it could signal the start of a soft rebuild—with Bloom steering the ship toward 2026 and beyond."

MY opinion...as Joe Biden would say..."Don't"... and that is for any meaningful trades now. (I could be convinced that a Helsley trade makes sense). Recent Cards trades (not necessarily pre-deadline trades) have not turned out good...latest being the Tommy Edman swap with LA.

dont?...so just stick with these guys who are gone after the season and hope for what?...trade any and all of these guys...get the best deal you can and move on...

Don't sell yourself short, judge. The Cardinals are plenty bad

jbrach wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 21:27 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 21:10 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 21:04 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 20:46 pm Who exactly are we “selling”??
Trading pending FA’s that you don’t figure to sign is a no-brainer and most every team does that.
Then you have the Arenado situation and he could certainly be moved.
Outside of that....who do the Cards “sell”???

I trade matz, helsley,maton,arenda,gray if there is a market..I am not looking to trade just to trade..burly,noot etc are certainly available if there is a deal to improve but it is the players who are not coming back who I move for sure..

Of course it always depends on the return.
If they deal Helsley I’d hang on to Maton as a late inning guy.
Matz is likely traded but would he consider staying on if he was offered a decent deal as Closer?
Arenado should go but who knows and I’m tired of that whole saga.
I think Gray stays.

Matz as closer?..seriously?...

Just spitballing...LOL
He has pitched well enough to warrant a late inning role when healthy.
I’d be ok if they stuck with Maton and Romero who shouldn’t be expensive.
Leahy?? Who knows?
O’Brien and Graceffo have potential.
We’ll see?

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 20:46 pm A lot of that is because DeWitt refuses to add what it would take to make them contenders.

This is exactly the problem with not being sellers at the deadline when you know that Mozeliak will not add any significant pieces to be a true contender.

The risk of getting nothing for pending free agents is too high not to be sellers.