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8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 21:24 pm
by CCard
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-re ... -bogaerts/
Some of you think he's some kind of savior.
He failed in Boston, let's see if he can be any better in St Louis. I'm hoping he is but betting that he isn't. If Dewitt loosens the purse strings then maybe he can succeed.
Re: 8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 21:28 pm
by craviduce
CCard wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:24 pm
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-re ... -bogaerts/
Some of you think he's some kind of savior.
He failed in Boston, let's see if he can be any better in St Louis. I'm hoping he is but betting that he isn't. If Dewitt loosens the purse strings then maybe he can succeed.
I honestly don't think he failed as new GM. He built the farm really well. He faced the obstacle of an Impatient Owner, Impatient Media, Impatient Fan Base. He made mistakes reacting to that barrage
In a rebuild/reset...I think he'll do well. We'll see how it plays out. But I'm loving the changes he's made to the minors and all the extra coaching he's brought in down there since 2024.
Re: 8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 21:41 pm
by Ozziesfan41
CCard wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:24 pm
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-re ... -bogaerts/
Some of you think he's some kind of savior.
He failed in Boston, let's see if he can be any better in St Louis. I'm hoping he is but betting that he isn't. If Dewitt loosens the purse strings then maybe he can succeed.
The first one was a dumb criticism he had to dump payroll and had to attach price to betts in order to get rid of him which hurt the return
Re: 8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 21:44 pm
by kyace
The owner demanded that he trade Betts and cut payroll drastically. He had to attach David Price’s $32 million over two years contract with Betts which lowered the return. However it did net two prospects playing in the majors.
He took a pathetic minor league system and built it to a top 3 system thru drafting and international signings providing dividends for a talented young major league roster as good as any in baseball.
Yes he made mistakes but he’s smart and hopefully learned from them.
Re: 8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 21:57 pm
by Banner29
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:41 pm
CCard wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:24 pm
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-re ... -bogaerts/
Some of you think he's some kind of savior.
He failed in Boston, let's see if he can be any better in St Louis. I'm hoping he is but betting that he isn't. If Dewitt loosens the purse strings then maybe he can succeed.
The first one was a dumb criticism he had to dump payroll and had to attach price to betts in order to get rid of him which hurt the return
Most of it is dumb. It mentions missing out on a guy like Dansby Swanson for starters. Not a bad player but not exactly a world beater here. Trading Hunter Renfroe(lol) not keeping Benintendi(lol) and even Xander Bogaerts hasn’t been a world beater here, after a strong first season in SD his next 2 years there have been very pedestrian and he’s 32 with plenty more years left on that deal. None of those guys would be moving the needle much now with the Sox nor have they years prior. Not to mention multiple times in this article it was mentioned he was hamstrung by higher ups.
Bloom made his mistakes, nobody has ever questioned that. But he left that organization in terrific shape farm system wise. He was thrown to the wolves immediately with the Betts fiasco, was expected to turn things around quickly and arguably the most unforgiving and high pressure city in all of sports. In a routinely juggernaut division.
The guy has a clear knack for developing young talent and people just want to dig up 2 year old articles to protect Mo.
It’s sad
Re: 8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 01:26 am
by ICCFIM2
What stands out in this article is his reliance on building from within and sticking with his players at the deadline. He did not shore up the team at the deadline in either 2022 or 2023. Whether that was his call or the owners who knows. But, the posters on this board demand action. They demand not letting prospects lose value etc. Bloom's history is that of someone who builds from within and builds deliberately. That might work over the long term. But, in the short term, it is not going to produce huge results. That makes me suspect that 2026 will be the real runway/rebuild year since MO refused to go totally down that path in 2025. If yes, Bloom may become unpopular in a hurry...
Re: 8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 02:04 am
by sdaltons
Even if you think he failed then, he has since gotten to spend a full year learning how to do it right under the tutelage of Jonathan Mozeliak.
Re: 8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 05:59 am
by CCard
Banner29 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:57 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:41 pm
CCard wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:24 pm
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-re ... -bogaerts/
Some of you think he's some kind of savior.
He failed in Boston, let's see if he can be any better in St Louis. I'm hoping he is but betting that he isn't. If Dewitt loosens the purse strings then maybe he can succeed.
The first one was a dumb criticism he had to dump payroll and had to attach price to betts in order to get rid of him which hurt the return
Most of it is dumb. It mentions missing out on a guy like Dansby Swanson for starters. Not a bad player but not exactly a world beater here. Trading Hunter Renfroe(lol) not keeping Benintendi(lol) and even Xander Bogaerts hasn’t been a world beater here, after a strong first season in SD his next 2 years there have been very pedestrian and he’s 32 with plenty more years left on that deal. None of those guys would be moving the needle much now with the Sox nor have they years prior. Not to mention multiple times in this article it was mentioned he was hamstrung by higher ups.
Bloom made his mistakes, nobody has ever questioned that. But he left that organization in terrific shape farm system wise. He was thrown to the wolves immediately with the Betts fiasco, was expected to turn things around quickly and arguably the most unforgiving and high pressure city in all of sports. In a routinely juggernaut division.
The guy has a clear knack for developing young talent and people just want to dig up 2 year old articles to protect Mo.
It’s sad
Some of you think he's the next messiah and that clearly isn't the case. He might be great, I don't know but clearly he's saddled with the same constraints that got him fired in Boston. As you all have pointed out, he was directed to trade Betts and he got fired for it among other reasons. Now, years later, he's going to be faced with an even smaller payroll even as contracts spiral upward. Listen, I hope he works miracles, and maybe he will. He certainly will get a chance to. It's just that you all in all probability are setting yourselves up for disappointment. Ownership will make the difference. He Dewitt loosens the purse strings things will get significantly better. If he doesn't? I predict in a few years the same people that are championing him as the next Branch Rickey will be calling him names and wanting his head on a spike.
Re: 8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 06:07 am
by AtillaTheBlue1
you cant win, regardless, if Owner is not 100% committed.
bdw 2 is not
Re: 8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 06:10 am
by mattmitchl44
He just needs to focus on first things first - rebuild the depth in the farm system and the amount of young talent on the ML roster. Ownership and fans need to be more patient than those in Boston to let him do that.
After that has been achieved, it will be on ownership to decide what future steady state payroll level they are going to support to build off of that foundation.
Re: 8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 06:22 am
by An Old Friend
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:41 pm
CCard wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:24 pm
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-re ... -bogaerts/
Some of you think he's some kind of savior.
He failed in Boston, let's see if he can be any better in St Louis. I'm hoping he is but betting that he isn't. If Dewitt loosens the purse strings then maybe he can succeed.
The first one was a dumb criticism he had to dump payroll and had to attach price to betts in order to get rid of him which hurt the return
Thought the same thing… the article completely lacks journalistic integrity by leaving that out. Price isn’t even mentioned, there.
Re: 8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 06:33 am
by An Old Friend
CCard wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 05:59 am
Some of you think he's the next messiah
Goofy thing to say.
Why does anyone’s optimism bother you when they are moving on from a guy who torpedoed the franchise and moving to one of the brighter and more analytically inclined minds in the game?
Re: 8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 06:40 am
by Alex Reyes Cy Young
A homeless drunk could outperform Moe. The bar is set low.
Re: 8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 06:47 am
by billybaseball
At least half of those things were actually really good decisions by Bloom. The only really bad move was signing Story but that's in hindsight
Re: 8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 08:10 am
by Banner29
CCard wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 05:59 am
Banner29 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:57 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:41 pm
CCard wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:24 pm
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-re ... -bogaerts/
Some of you think he's some kind of savior.
He failed in Boston, let's see if he can be any better in St Louis. I'm hoping he is but betting that he isn't. If Dewitt loosens the purse strings then maybe he can succeed.
The first one was a dumb criticism he had to dump payroll and had to attach price to betts in order to get rid of him which hurt the return
Most of it is dumb. It mentions missing out on a guy like Dansby Swanson for starters. Not a bad player but not exactly a world beater here. Trading Hunter Renfroe(lol) not keeping Benintendi(lol) and even Xander Bogaerts hasn’t been a world beater here, after a strong first season in SD his next 2 years there have been very pedestrian and he’s 32 with plenty more years left on that deal. None of those guys would be moving the needle much now with the Sox nor have they years prior. Not to mention multiple times in this article it was mentioned he was hamstrung by higher ups.
Bloom made his mistakes, nobody has ever questioned that. But he left that organization in terrific shape farm system wise. He was thrown to the wolves immediately with the Betts fiasco, was expected to turn things around quickly and arguably the most unforgiving and high pressure city in all of sports. In a routinely juggernaut division.
The guy has a clear knack for developing young talent and people just want to dig up 2 year old articles to protect Mo.
It’s sad
Some of you think he's the next messiah and that clearly isn't the case. He might be great, I don't know but clearly he's saddled with the same constraints that got him fired in Boston. As you all have pointed out, he was directed to trade Betts and he got fired for it among other reasons. Now, years later, he's going to be faced with an even smaller payroll even as contracts spiral upward. Listen, I hope he works miracles, and maybe he will. He certainly will get a chance to. It's just that you all in all probability are setting yourselves up for disappointment. Ownership will make the difference. He Dewitt loosens the purse strings things will get significantly better. If he doesn't? I predict in a few years the same people that are championing him as the next Branch Rickey will be calling him names and wanting his head on a spike.
Nobody has thought that. Not once. What people have thought is that he possesses some solid qualities that give us some hope again, with the most important one not being the bow tied ret*rd that flat out dismantled this team into complete irrelevance
Maybe he succeeds, maybe he doesn’t. But for the first time in a few years there’s reason to be optimistic about the team going forward and that for some reason really bothers the Mo cult.
It’s weird
Re: 8 moves that led to Chaim Bloom’s eventual firing from the Red Sox
Posted: 24 Jul 2025 10:12 am
by CCard
Banner29 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 08:10 am
CCard wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025 05:59 am
Banner29 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:57 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:41 pm
CCard wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 21:24 pm
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-re ... -bogaerts/
Some of you think he's some kind of savior.
He failed in Boston, let's see if he can be any better in St Louis. I'm hoping he is but betting that he isn't. If Dewitt loosens the purse strings then maybe he can succeed.
The first one was a dumb criticism he had to dump payroll and had to attach price to betts in order to get rid of him which hurt the return
Most of it is dumb. It mentions missing out on a guy like Dansby Swanson for starters. Not a bad player but not exactly a world beater here. Trading Hunter Renfroe(lol) not keeping Benintendi(lol) and even Xander Bogaerts hasn’t been a world beater here, after a strong first season in SD his next 2 years there have been very pedestrian and he’s 32 with plenty more years left on that deal. None of those guys would be moving the needle much now with the Sox nor have they years prior. Not to mention multiple times in this article it was mentioned he was hamstrung by higher ups.
Bloom made his mistakes, nobody has ever questioned that. But he left that organization in terrific shape farm system wise. He was thrown to the wolves immediately with the Betts fiasco, was expected to turn things around quickly and arguably the most unforgiving and high pressure city in all of sports. In a routinely juggernaut division.
The guy has a clear knack for developing young talent and people just want to dig up 2 year old articles to protect Mo.
It’s sad
Some of you think he's the next messiah and that clearly isn't the case. He might be great, I don't know but clearly he's saddled with the same constraints that got him fired in Boston. As you all have pointed out, he was directed to trade Betts and he got fired for it among other reasons. Now, years later, he's going to be faced with an even smaller payroll even as contracts spiral upward. Listen, I hope he works miracles, and maybe he will. He certainly will get a chance to. It's just that you all in all probability are setting yourselves up for disappointment. Ownership will make the difference. He Dewitt loosens the purse strings things will get significantly better. If he doesn't? I predict in a few years the same people that are championing him as the next Branch Rickey will be calling him names and wanting his head on a spike.
Nobody has thought that. Not once. What people have thought is that he possesses some solid qualities that give us some hope again, with the most important one not being the bow tied ret*rd that flat out dismantled this team into complete irrelevance
Maybe he succeeds, maybe he doesn’t. But for the first time in a few years there’s reason to be optimistic about the team going forward and that for some reason really bothers the Mo cult.
It’s weird
How many championships has he won. How many has Mo won? Hmmm.... Merely reiterating that the grass isn't always greener.