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Happening Right in front of our eyes
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 15:48 pm
by opti mist
The total dismantling of one of MLB's historic franchises.
This has to be deliberate.
I can only guess this is in preparation for an anticipated long-term lockout once the CBA expires on December 31, 2026.
Opti
Re: Happening Right in front of our eyes
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 15:50 pm
by 11WSChamps
opti mist wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 15:48 pm
The total dismantling of one of MLB's historic franchises.
This has to be deliberate.
I can only guess this is in preparation for an anticipated long-term lockout once the CBA expires on December 31, 2026.
Opti
Yeah been going on for a few years now.
Hopefully we'll be spared the 2027 season with a work stoppage.
Re: Happening Right in front of our eyes
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 15:54 pm
by janb526
It's an old owner with memory issues letting his son run the business into the ground. Dewitt's are only interested in the all mighty dollar, not putting a quality product on the field. Ballpark village was the start and it goes on and on. Until, the team is sold, it doesn't matter who the new GM is because their hands will be tied with this group. Once a franchise that was feared and players wanted to play for. Now, a team and manager that no established players want to be dealt or sign a contract to play for.
Re: Happening Right in front of our eyes
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 16:00 pm
by jusdayzed
Has anyone here been in Ballpark Village lately? Or are there more people in there than in the ballpark? From the start I refused to go in. It was obvious the money was going there and the condos and not the talent.
Re: Happening Right in front of our eyes
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 16:02 pm
by 11WSChamps
jusdayzed wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 16:00 pm
Has anyone here been in Ballpark Village lately? Or are there more people in there than in the ballpark? From the start I refused to go in. It was obvious the money was going there and the condos and not the talent.
Never been there and don't intend too.
When the first shovel of dirt hit the ground for BPV the product on the field was doomed.
Re: Happening Right in front of our eyes
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 16:04 pm
by Ozziesfan41
opti mist wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 15:48 pm
The total dismantling of one of MLB's historic franchises.
This has to be deliberate.
I can only guess this is in preparation for an anticipated long-term lockout once the CBA expires on December 31, 2026.
Opti
Sadly the past few years have been mo trying to win lol it’s not deliberate
Re: Happening Right in front of our eyes
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 16:09 pm
by desertrat23
There's a common refrain from some old-timers around here:
"Remember the '70s?"
"The '70s were worse!"
Or the snobby version:
"Clearly none of you were around for the 70s."
The Cardinals' winning percentage from 2023-now is .485 assuming they lose today. (That jumps to .507 if you add in 2022.) The winning percentage from 1971-74? .501. 1974-77? .499. 1978-81? .498.
Empty stadiums? Mediocre baseball? No chance in October? (Although a couple of years in the 70s they missed out on the division by a game or two.) No stars? (At least the 70s had Gibson and/or Brock every year.)
Look around you, friends. Welcome to the 70s.
Edit: The late 80s-early 90s were actually worse than the 70s. 1998-91 winning percentage: .488. 1992-95? .487.
Re: Happening Right in front of our eyes
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:13 pm
by TopofthePerch
I know they are professionals but with all the turmoil in a game that is very mental the players are likely either exhausted or have checked out.
Re: Happening Right in front of our eyes
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:20 pm
by Carp4Cy
desertrat23 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 16:09 pm
There's a common refrain from some old-timers around here:
"Remember the '70s?"
"The '70s were worse!"
Or the snobby version:
"Clearly none of you were around for the 70s."
The Cardinals' winning percentage from 2023-now is .485 assuming they lose today. (That jumps to .507 if you add in 2022.) The winning percentage from 1971-74? .501. 1974-77? .499. 1978-81? .498.
Empty stadiums? Mediocre baseball? No chance in October? (Although a couple of years in the 70s they missed out on the division by a game or two.) No stars? (At least the 70s had Gibson and/or Brock every year.)
Look around you, friends. Welcome to the 70s.
Edit: The late 80s-early 90s were actually worse than the 70s. 1998-91 winning percentage: .488. 1992-95? .487.
did fans clamor for the bad teams to trade Brock and Gibson for prospects and rebuild?
Re: Happening Right in front of our eyes
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:22 pm
by desertrat23
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 17:20 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 16:09 pm
There's a common refrain from some old-timers around here:
"Remember the '70s?"
"The '70s were worse!"
Or the snobby version:
"Clearly none of you were around for the 70s."
The Cardinals' winning percentage from 2023-now is .485 assuming they lose today. (That jumps to .507 if you add in 2022.) The winning percentage from 1971-74? .501. 1974-77? .499. 1978-81? .498.
Empty stadiums? Mediocre baseball? No chance in October? (Although a couple of years in the 70s they missed out on the division by a game or two.) No stars? (At least the 70s had Gibson and/or Brock every year.)
Look around you, friends. Welcome to the 70s.
Edit: The late 80s-early 90s were actually worse than the 70s. 1998-91 winning percentage: .488. 1992-95? .487.
did fans clamor for the bad teams to trade Brock and Gibson for prospects and rebuild?
That might have been a smart thing to do. If nothing else they were guys you’d want to drive downtown to see. There’s none of that today.
Re: Happening Right in front of our eyes
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:22 pm
by Strummer Jones
I was at the game today. "Sucked" probably doesn't describe it well enough.
Re: Happening Right in front of our eyes
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:28 pm
by 45s
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 17:20 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2025 16:09 pm
There's a common refrain from some old-timers around here:
"Remember the '70s?"
"The '70s were worse!"
Or the snobby version:
"Clearly none of you were around for the 70s."
The Cardinals' winning percentage from 2023-now is .485 assuming they lose today. (That jumps to .507 if you add in 2022.) The winning percentage from 1971-74? .501. 1974-77? .499. 1978-81? .498.
Empty stadiums? Mediocre baseball? No chance in October? (Although a couple of years in the 70s they missed out on the division by a game or two.) No stars? (At least the 70s had Gibson and/or Brock every year.)
Look around you, friends. Welcome to the 70s.
Edit: The late 80s-early 90s were actually worse than the 70s. 1998-91 winning percentage: .488. 1992-95? .487.
did fans clamor for the bad teams to trade Brock and Gibson for prospects and rebuild?
Maybe they should have…
Gibson finished his career mopping up out of the bullpen…
Re: Happening Right in front of our eyes
Posted: 23 Jul 2025 17:55 pm
by Hoosier59
When Ball Park was first built, I was excited, because I ( Stupidly ) thought it would give the Cardinals an additional revenue source to help compete with the Dodger, and other big spenders. From what I gather, none of that money is used that way. It’s just another way for the DeWitts to line their over stuffed pockets! Yippee, good for them!