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My prediction is Aranado stays, Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and Burleson to RF. Noot, Walker, and Gorman are odd men out and on the block. Add Helsley, Matz, Fedde, Maton, and Mikolas and the Cardinals have a ton of pieces to move. Add a RH OF slugger to slit with Burleson
I seriously think of trading Winn. I like Donovan at second and trying to find some more power in the outfield. Perhaps Winn would bring that kind of value.
Trade Helsley alone for a better return.JDW wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 12:19 pm I sure wouldn't trade Winn, instead thinking he's a core piece moving forward in tandem with Wetherholt in the middle infield.
The need to trade Arenado is glaring imo. The Yankees overall defense stinks. Nolan can help them with that. Do what it takes to trade him before the deadline.
In the 2nd half the Cards could go with an infield alignment of Donovan-Winn-Wetherholt and Contreras. That's not bad, and potentially a pretty good one.
Trade Fedde and replace with McGreevy.
The Brewers traded Hader, then last year Delvin Williams, yet this year their BP is good. OK, trading Helsley doesn't necessarily bankrupt the Cards remote chances this year, but if it does, they can still potentially form a decent BP for 2026.
Wonder what a package of Arenado, Helsley and Fedde could fetch from the Yankees.
I do . Bloom will make sure they get something (even if medium- lower prospects ) to beef up the minors talent pool for him .
if the trade is successful it's Bloom?ramfandan wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 12:26 pmI do . Bloom will make sure they get something (even if medium- lower prospects ) to beef up the minors talent pool for him .
Letting expiring contracts leave for nothing would hurt Bloom. The saying will apply 'something is better for nothing '
Though the added guys may or may not make the majors, it provides added young guys to include in future deals when you need to package a few for a major leaguer you want.
So trade Helsley alone for a better return, while also trying to deal Arenado in another trade could work.An Old Friend wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 12:24 pmTrade Helsley alone for a better return.JDW wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 12:19 pm I sure wouldn't trade Winn, instead thinking he's a core piece moving forward in tandem with Wetherholt in the middle infield.
The need to trade Arenado is glaring imo. The Yankees overall defense stinks. Nolan can help them with that. Do what it takes to trade him before the deadline.
In the 2nd half the Cards could go with an infield alignment of Donovan-Winn-Wetherholt and Contreras. That's not bad, and potentially a pretty good one.
Trade Fedde and replace with McGreevy.
The Brewers traded Hader, then last year Delvin Williams, yet this year their BP is good. OK, trading Helsley doesn't necessarily bankrupt the Cards remote chances this year, but if it does, they can still potentially form a decent BP for 2026.
Wonder what a package of Arenado, Helsley and Fedde could fetch from the Yankees.
Separate is better, yes.JDW wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 12:33 pmSo trade Helsley alone for a better return, while also trying to deal Arenado in another trade could work.An Old Friend wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 12:24 pmTrade Helsley alone for a better return.JDW wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 12:19 pm I sure wouldn't trade Winn, instead thinking he's a core piece moving forward in tandem with Wetherholt in the middle infield.
The need to trade Arenado is glaring imo. The Yankees overall defense stinks. Nolan can help them with that. Do what it takes to trade him before the deadline.
In the 2nd half the Cards could go with an infield alignment of Donovan-Winn-Wetherholt and Contreras. That's not bad, and potentially a pretty good one.
Trade Fedde and replace with McGreevy.
The Brewers traded Hader, then last year Delvin Williams, yet this year their BP is good. OK, trading Helsley doesn't necessarily bankrupt the Cards remote chances this year, but if it does, they can still potentially form a decent BP for 2026.
Wonder what a package of Arenado, Helsley and Fedde could fetch from the Yankees.
Would that be a better strategy in your view?
Guess if it took packaging Arenado to move him even with a lesser return, I'd still be considering it. Just feel like the need to move on from Arenado is a priority, but quite possible I'm wrong.
The reason you want to trade Helsley, Matz, Maton, Fedde and Mikolas is the same reason they won't bring a lot in return.Youboughtit wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 11:41 amMy prediction is Aranado stays, Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and Burleson to RF. Noot, Walker, and Gorman are odd men out and on the block. Add Helsley, Matz, Fedde, Maton, and Mikolas and the Cardinals have a ton of pieces to move. Add a RH OF slugger to slit with Burleson
They’d get a return on the first 3 without a doubtScotchMIrish wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 13:03 pmThe reason you want to trade Helsley, Matz, Maton, Fedde and Mikolas is the same reason they won't bring a lot in return.Youboughtit wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 11:41 amMy prediction is Aranado stays, Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and Burleson to RF. Noot, Walker, and Gorman are odd men out and on the block. Add Helsley, Matz, Fedde, Maton, and Mikolas and the Cardinals have a ton of pieces to move. Add a RH OF slugger to slit with Burleson
Absolutely, this FO thinks its in business for the exclusive benefit of the PLAYER…..yes, Mr. Arenado we’ll do our best to find you an exact place you can be happiest!!! And we’ll kiss your (bleep) all along the processAn Old Friend wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 12:45 pmSeparate is better, yes.JDW wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 12:33 pmSo trade Helsley alone for a better return, while also trying to deal Arenado in another trade could work.An Old Friend wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 12:24 pmTrade Helsley alone for a better return.JDW wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 12:19 pm I sure wouldn't trade Winn, instead thinking he's a core piece moving forward in tandem with Wetherholt in the middle infield.
The need to trade Arenado is glaring imo. The Yankees overall defense stinks. Nolan can help them with that. Do what it takes to trade him before the deadline.
In the 2nd half the Cards could go with an infield alignment of Donovan-Winn-Wetherholt and Contreras. That's not bad, and potentially a pretty good one.
Trade Fedde and replace with McGreevy.
The Brewers traded Hader, then last year Delvin Williams, yet this year their BP is good. OK, trading Helsley doesn't necessarily bankrupt the Cards remote chances this year, but if it does, they can still potentially form a decent BP for 2026.
Wonder what a package of Arenado, Helsley and Fedde could fetch from the Yankees.
Would that be a better strategy in your view?
Guess if it took packaging Arenado to move him even with a lesser return, I'd still be considering it. Just feel like the need to move on from Arenado is a priority, but quite possible I'm wrong.
Mozeliak has failed for some time to trade Arenado. He can’t continue to allow that to prevent him from doing anything else.
If you can’t move Arenado now, move him to the bench, and Bloom can find a new home for him in the offseason.
They will maximize their returns if they auction all of Helsley, Matz, Maton, and JoJo separately
I'd absolutely look into trading Nootbaar. Before we get into O'Neill and Carlson and Grichuk (aye aye aye) territory. And a week ago, I would've been anti-trade Winn, but...you know...? I could see where it might be beneficial. I'm not advocating that we do that. But I can see a world where it might make sense.imadangman wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 12:41 pm I wish 3B would open up as Gorman could play there at the very least. So I guess Wetherholt still has to play 2nd base with Donovan going to the OF. Maybe this is where you trade Nootbaar. Don't know what his value is, but you can't get him off this roster fast enough for me.
Wetherholt has been scorching hot so I wouldn't be opposed to having him come up this season. Do not trade Winn. Bat him 6th, 7th, 8th, or 9th.
By next season you have Baez pressuring for OF time, if Scott Joplin II is still struggling Baez can go right into CF. Burleson, unfortunately has to figure into rightfield (Walker challenging) because Herrera is going to occupy the DH slot until Contreras starts to give off of 1st base.