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I think he will hit eventually, with regular play and needs a position. Unloading Arenado would help some of the young players get more regular playing time. I thought that was the purpose of this season, and it is looking more and more like the season should be dedicated to finding out which young guys will stick, and which ones will fail to pan out. I agree, not a good fielder.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 15:57 pm He's not a great defender either. If we do sell anyone this month, we don't need more prospects/suspects who A. won't arrive in the majors for 2 more years from now, and B. still "need more time" once they get here before they can actually contribute at a positive WAR level. This roster and our minors are full of potential JAGs - we need a small handful of stars.
“Stars” don’t grow on trees.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 15:57 pm He's not a great defender either. If we do sell anyone this month, we don't need more prospects/suspects who A. won't arrive in the majors for 2 more years from now, and B. still "need more time" once they get here before they can actually contribute at a positive WAR level. This roster and our minors are full of potential JAGs - we need a small handful of stars.
Which is you have to change your mindset to target a star to make it happen. They aren't just going to land in our lap by unloading salary or dumping FA to be in one off deals for random prospects instead of combining our trade capital to target someone we really need.Cranny wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:03 pm“Stars” don’t grow on trees.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 15:57 pm He's not a great defender either. If we do sell anyone this month, we don't need more prospects/suspects who A. won't arrive in the majors for 2 more years from now, and B. still "need more time" once they get here before they can actually contribute at a positive WAR level. This roster and our minors are full of potential JAGs - we need a small handful of stars.
Or Goldschmidt, or Arenado, or Stanton, or Ozuna, Yelich, or Kyle Tucker or Juan Soto (twice).RamFan08NY wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:06 pm And stars aren't typically traded away......unless their names are Arozarena, Garcia, Alcantara for example.
Reread the OP. This isn't about writing him off. This is about not doubling down on more question marks that you have to keep waiting for years and years to Maybe pan out at the trade deadline. If we make trades, put together something good and acquire a sure thing with controllable years (or extendable contract) we don't have to wait for.peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:19 pm How about we wait to draw conclusions on a kid after only 132 mlb at bats?
Kid has an .842 OPS in 1,841 at bats. Maybe give the kid a chance before writing him off.
Why would anyone give us a sure thing for a maybe?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:21 pmReread the OP. This isn't about writing him off. This is about not doubling down on more question marks that you have to keep waiting for years and years to Maybe pan out at the trade deadline. If we make trades, put together something good and acquire a sure thing with controllable years (or extendable contract) we don't have to wait for.peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:19 pm How about we wait to draw conclusions on a kid after only 132 mlb at bats?
Kid has an .842 OPS in 1,841 at bats. Maybe give the kid a chance before writing him off.
because they don't want to keep paying the $. Just like the DBacks with Goldy and the Rockies with Nado, and Rockies then A's with Holliday, and the Marlins (and Pirates) with too many players to list over the decades.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:24 pmWhy would anyone give us a sure thing for a maybe?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:21 pmReread the OP. This isn't about writing him off. This is about not doubling down on more question marks that you have to keep waiting for years and years to Maybe pan out at the trade deadline. If we make trades, put together something good and acquire a sure thing with controllable years (or extendable contract) we don't have to wait for.peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:19 pm How about we wait to draw conclusions on a kid after only 132 mlb at bats?
Kid has an .842 OPS in 1,841 at bats. Maybe give the kid a chance before writing him off.
OK i season if a contender is adding dealing a guy like Saggese makes sense. But not for this team. Players like that for next year can be had on the free agent market. No reason to give up talent.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:28 pmbecause they don't want to keep paying the $. Just like the DBacks with Goldy and the Rockies with Nado, and Rockies then A's with Holliday, and the Marlins (and Pirates) with too many players to list over the decades.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:24 pmWhy would anyone give us a sure thing for a maybe?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:21 pmReread the OP. This isn't about writing him off. This is about not doubling down on more question marks that you have to keep waiting for years and years to Maybe pan out at the trade deadline. If we make trades, put together something good and acquire a sure thing with controllable years (or extendable contract) we don't have to wait for.peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:19 pm How about we wait to draw conclusions on a kid after only 132 mlb at bats?
Kid has an .842 OPS in 1,841 at bats. Maybe give the kid a chance before writing him off.
But the Cardinals just don't sign FAs (outside of Gray). We have 2 chances a year to make an impact trade for a proven talent and this is one of them.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:55 pmOK i season if a contender is adding dealing a guy like Saggese makes sense. But not for this team. Players like that for next year can be had on the free agent market. No reason to give up talent.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:28 pmbecause they don't want to keep paying the $. Just like the DBacks with Goldy and the Rockies with Nado, and Rockies then A's with Holliday, and the Marlins (and Pirates) with too many players to list over the decades.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:24 pmWhy would anyone give us a sure thing for a maybe?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:21 pmReread the OP. This isn't about writing him off. This is about not doubling down on more question marks that you have to keep waiting for years and years to Maybe pan out at the trade deadline. If we make trades, put together something good and acquire a sure thing with controllable years (or extendable contract) we don't have to wait for.peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:19 pm How about we wait to draw conclusions on a kid after only 132 mlb at bats?
Kid has an .842 OPS in 1,841 at bats. Maybe give the kid a chance before writing him off.
OK. I mean I get it if they thought next year was a year they contend. Goldschmidt is a perfect example of getting a player with a known contract. Do you believe STL will be a serious contender in 2026? I don't and I prefer keeping Saggese in the hopes he emerges as a real player making the team better or his trade value higher.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:59 pmBut the Cardinals just don't sign FAs (outside of Gray). We have 2 chances a year to make an impact trade for a proven talent and this is one of them.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:55 pmOK i season if a contender is adding dealing a guy like Saggese makes sense. But not for this team. Players like that for next year can be had on the free agent market. No reason to give up talent.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:28 pmbecause they don't want to keep paying the $. Just like the DBacks with Goldy and the Rockies with Nado, and Rockies then A's with Holliday, and the Marlins (and Pirates) with too many players to list over the decades.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:24 pmWhy would anyone give us a sure thing for a maybe?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:21 pmReread the OP. This isn't about writing him off. This is about not doubling down on more question marks that you have to keep waiting for years and years to Maybe pan out at the trade deadline. If we make trades, put together something good and acquire a sure thing with controllable years (or extendable contract) we don't have to wait for.peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:19 pm How about we wait to draw conclusions on a kid after only 132 mlb at bats?
Kid has an .842 OPS in 1,841 at bats. Maybe give the kid a chance before writing him off.
I think they could and they should plan to. Boston went worst to first twice - and we have Bloom at the helm next year. No reason a rebuild needs to go on and on for half a decade, especially for a team thats already over .500 and in the mix for the playoffs.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 17:01 pmOK. I mean I get it if they thought next year was a year they contend. Goldschmidt is a perfect example of getting a player with a known contract. Do you believe STL will be a serious contender in 2026? I don't and I prefer keeping Saggese in the hopes he emerges as a real player making the team better or his trade value higher.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:59 pmBut the Cardinals just don't sign FAs (outside of Gray). We have 2 chances a year to make an impact trade for a proven talent and this is one of them.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:55 pmOK i season if a contender is adding dealing a guy like Saggese makes sense. But not for this team. Players like that for next year can be had on the free agent market. No reason to give up talent.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:28 pmbecause they don't want to keep paying the $. Just like the DBacks with Goldy and the Rockies with Nado, and Rockies then A's with Holliday, and the Marlins (and Pirates) with too many players to list over the decades.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:24 pmWhy would anyone give us a sure thing for a maybe?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:21 pmReread the OP. This isn't about writing him off. This is about not doubling down on more question marks that you have to keep waiting for years and years to Maybe pan out at the trade deadline. If we make trades, put together something good and acquire a sure thing with controllable years (or extendable contract) we don't have to wait for.peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:19 pm How about we wait to draw conclusions on a kid after only 132 mlb at bats?
Kid has an .842 OPS in 1,841 at bats. Maybe give the kid a chance before writing him off.
OK. We have a different view on the best path to the WS. Fair enough. I think the time to be adding bigger name costly FAs will be later next year if all goes well. This year should be all in on prospects.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 17:08 pmI think they could and they should plan to. Boston went worst to first twice - and we have Bloom at the helm next year. No reason a rebuild needs to go on and on for half a decade, especially for a team thats already over .500 and in the mix for the playoffs.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 17:01 pmOK. I mean I get it if they thought next year was a year they contend. Goldschmidt is a perfect example of getting a player with a known contract. Do you believe STL will be a serious contender in 2026? I don't and I prefer keeping Saggese in the hopes he emerges as a real player making the team better or his trade value higher.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:59 pmBut the Cardinals just don't sign FAs (outside of Gray). We have 2 chances a year to make an impact trade for a proven talent and this is one of them.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:55 pmOK i season if a contender is adding dealing a guy like Saggese makes sense. But not for this team. Players like that for next year can be had on the free agent market. No reason to give up talent.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:28 pmbecause they don't want to keep paying the $. Just like the DBacks with Goldy and the Rockies with Nado, and Rockies then A's with Holliday, and the Marlins (and Pirates) with too many players to list over the decades.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:24 pmWhy would anyone give us a sure thing for a maybe?Carp4Cy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:21 pmReread the OP. This isn't about writing him off. This is about not doubling down on more question marks that you have to keep waiting for years and years to Maybe pan out at the trade deadline. If we make trades, put together something good and acquire a sure thing with controllable years (or extendable contract) we don't have to wait for.peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 16:19 pm How about we wait to draw conclusions on a kid after only 132 mlb at bats?
Kid has an .842 OPS in 1,841 at bats. Maybe give the kid a chance before writing him off.
But I'm not saying we need to trade Saggese just yet. Just that we don't need to acquire more like him if we trade Maton or Fedde etc. Package some of those players for someone proven with control, ideally who will be here for 2026 and the years beyond where we HAVE to be trying to contend 100%.