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Just said the Cubs are in on adding 1-2 SP and are willing to overpay in prospects. Targeting Cabrerra and Alcantra from Miami, Keller from Pittsburgh, Perez from Tampa Bay. Problem they are having is the are currently very few sellers and all the big market teams also want to add SP. he believes it’s a sellers market and any SP will require a 2-1 return. So if the Cardinals want to add they will have to be willing to give a ton

Hmm, Moe just thought "whew, that gets me off the hook".

Ordinary Man wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:50 am Hmm, Moe just thought "whew, that gets me off the hook".

Caption- moe- “alright. Already out of the game. Let’s golf.”

Yep! Just what Mo wanted to hear....

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:48 am Just said the Cubs are in on adding 1-2 SP and are willing to overpay in prospects. Targeting Cabrerra and Alcantra from Miami, Keller from Pittsburgh, Perez from Tampa Bay. Problem they are having is the are currently very few sellers and all the big market teams also want to add SP. he believes it’s a sellers market and any SP will require a 2-1 return. So if the Cardinals want to add they will have to be willing to give a ton

It's clearly a seller's market. Helsley, Maton and even Matz have inflated values because of it. We now know Fedde and Miko are worthless.
If Mo doesn't get something of decent value back, it's a sin. These FAs aren't coming back, and the team isn't going to the playoffs (and would be 1-10 if they get lucky and do).
If someone makes an offer for Burly, Donny, or even Gorman (unlikely) - and a catcher not named Bernal, they have to listen.
I think Miami is the place to look for trades, as they manufacture pitching (3 of their top 5 prospects are good pitchers).

Also said they are not looking at rentals like Gallen at this point. Feels their window is just opening and need young cost controlled power arms to go with all their young position players.

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:48 am Just said the Cubs are in on adding 1-2 SP and are willing to overpay in prospects. Targeting Cabrerra and Alcantra from Miami, Keller from Pittsburgh, Perez from Tampa Bay. Problem they are having is the are currently very few sellers and all the big market teams also want to add SP. he believes it’s a sellers market and any SP will require a 2-1 return. So if the Cardinals want to add they will have to be willing to give a ton

the corollary is what MO should be thinking about
that is, if any team WOULD EVEN WANT any of the Card starters.
relievers yes, starters probably not.

82birds wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:05 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:48 am Just said the Cubs are in on adding 1-2 SP and are willing to overpay in prospects. Targeting Cabrerra and Alcantra from Miami, Keller from Pittsburgh, Perez from Tampa Bay. Problem they are having is the are currently very few sellers and all the big market teams also want to add SP. he believes it’s a sellers market and any SP will require a 2-1 return. So if the Cardinals want to add they will have to be willing to give a ton

the corollary is what MO should be thinking about
that is, if any team WOULD EVEN WANT any of the Card starters.
relievers yes, starters probably not.

I keep saying the Cardinals should sell early before there are other sellers to compete with and before teams begin to satisfy their demands.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:21 pm

82birds wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:05 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:48 am Just said the Cubs are in on adding 1-2 SP and are willing to overpay in prospects. Targeting Cabrerra and Alcantra from Miami, Keller from Pittsburgh, Perez from Tampa Bay. Problem they are having is the are currently very few sellers and all the big market teams also want to add SP. he believes it’s a sellers market and any SP will require a 2-1 return. So if the Cardinals want to add they will have to be willing to give a ton

the corollary is what MO should be thinking about
that is, if any team WOULD EVEN WANT any of the Card starters.
relievers yes, starters probably not.

I keep saying the Cardinals should sell early before there are other sellers to compete with and before teams begin to satisfy their demands.

Teams looking to add don’t want pitch to contact #4-5 innings eaters. They are looking to add difference makers

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:04 pm Also said they are not looking at rentals like Gallen at this point. Feels their window is just opening and need young cost controlled power arms to go with all their young position players.

Cool. Sounds like they will be calling about Fedde and Mikolas.

A convenient 'out' for Mo is one he has used in the past . He could say 'we were open to listen to offers. A couple clubs contacted us but nobody was offering anything close to market value . We were not just going to give our guys away . '

ramfandan wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:42 pm A convenient 'out' for Mo is one he has used in the past . He could say 'we were open to listen to offers. A couple clubs contacted us but nobody was offering anything close to market value . We were not just going to give our guys away . '

Please let Bloom have a say in the deadline deals! I just don’t trust Mo to do the right thing.

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 13:47 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:42 pm A convenient 'out' for Mo is one he has used in the past . He could say 'we were open to listen to offers. A couple clubs contacted us but nobody was offering anything close to market value . We were not just going to give our guys away . '

Please let Bloom have a say in the deadline deals! I just don’t trust Mo to do the right thing.

agree 200%

82birds wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 13:48 pm

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 13:47 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:42 pm A convenient 'out' for Mo is one he has used in the past . He could say 'we were open to listen to offers. A couple clubs contacted us but nobody was offering anything close to market value . We were not just going to give our guys away . '

Please let Bloom have a say in the deadline deals! I just don’t trust Mo to do the right thing.

agree 200%

Ok so if as I suspect there is no market for anyone on this roster except Helsley Gray Hererra Winn Donovan and maybe a couple others and they have a logjam coming at 2B and DH when Wetherholt arrives what’s the plan? Wait until offseason and do nothing? Eventually they have to address the holes at RH OF and a Young SP with strikeout stuff. They do not and have not developed any recently. How does that draw fans to the stadium?

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:21 pm

82birds wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:05 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:48 am Just said the Cubs are in on adding 1-2 SP and are willing to overpay in prospects. Targeting Cabrerra and Alcantra from Miami, Keller from Pittsburgh, Perez from Tampa Bay. Problem they are having is the are currently very few sellers and all the big market teams also want to add SP. he believes it’s a sellers market and any SP will require a 2-1 return. So if the Cardinals want to add they will have to be willing to give a ton

the corollary is what MO should be thinking about
that is, if any team WOULD EVEN WANT any of the Card starters.
relievers yes, starters probably not.

I keep saying the Cardinals should sell early before there are other sellers to compete with and before teams begin to satisfy their demands.

I think that’s a very good call….

45s wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 14:27 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:21 pm

82birds wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 12:05 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑12 Jul 2025 11:48 am Just said the Cubs are in on adding 1-2 SP and are willing to overpay in prospects. Targeting Cabrerra and Alcantra from Miami, Keller from Pittsburgh, Perez from Tampa Bay. Problem they are having is the are currently very few sellers and all the big market teams also want to add SP. he believes it’s a sellers market and any SP will require a 2-1 return. So if the Cardinals want to add they will have to be willing to give a ton

the corollary is what MO should be thinking about
that is, if any team WOULD EVEN WANT any of the Card starters.
relievers yes, starters probably not.

I keep saying the Cardinals should sell early before there are other sellers to compete with and before teams begin to satisfy their demands.

I think that’s a very good call….

Sell who? Players a team would buy are Gray Helsley Donovan Winn Hererra Wetherholt and maybe for Pennie’s on the dollar Gorman or Walker.