Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 19:46 pm
So Miles and Fedde have shown to be worthless and now NA has a bum shoulder. Once again MO has played this perfectly
Still need Helsley to top out at 92…
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Re: Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 19:53 pm
Re: Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 20:27 pm
Moe 101
Re: Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 20:46 pm
But none of this is on ownership. 
Re: Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 20:54 pm
Mo put together a team with a bunch of players with 0 trade value and kept fedde when he should have traded him in the off season when he had value he’s kept helsley and is keeping him as his value continues to go down
Re: Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 20:54 pm
Re: Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 23:29 pm
I don't get the fascination with trading your closer when you are in a playoff race?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 20:54 pmMo put together a team with a bunch of players with 0 trade value and kept fedde when he should have traded him in the off season when he had value he’s kept helsley and is keeping him as his value continues to go down
Re: Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 23:34 pm
It’s pretty simple the question would be are you trying to build a team that actually win in the post season and be good in the future and trade him or keep him in the hope and prayer that you sneak into the post season for another one and done and helsley leaves as a free agent with nothing in returnCardinals4Life wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:29 pmI don't get the fascination with trading your closer when you are in a playoff race?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 20:54 pmMo put together a team with a bunch of players with 0 trade value and kept fedde when he should have traded him in the off season when he had value he’s kept helsley and is keeping him as his value continues to go down
Re: Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 23:43 pm
This is irrelevant. We never were going to get more than JAGs for those guys. We got Nado for nothing we’ve missed.
To get what we need - a real bat, we have to trade players with control or from the minors. Excess middle infielders, or Walker or Gorman maybe.
Re: Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 23:44 pm
Helsley gets a QO and we get a draft pick. That’s more than we’d get in trade anyway. Wacha was a compensation pick.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:34 pmIt’s pretty simple the question would be are you trying to build a team that actually win in the post season and be good in the future and trade him or keep him in the hope and prayer that you sneak into the post season for another one and done and helsley leaves as a free agent with nothing in returnCardinals4Life wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:29 pmI don't get the fascination with trading your closer when you are in a playoff race?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 20:54 pmMo put together a team with a bunch of players with 0 trade value and kept fedde when he should have traded him in the off season when he had value he’s kept helsley and is keeping him as his value continues to go down
Re: Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 23:48 pm
lol you’re crazy if you think they give him a QO. Cardinals are not going to risk paying a closer 20 million they won’t do it it won’t happen if you think they will you haven’t seen how the cardinals operate or have been drinking heavily. Cards will get nothing for him. With Dewitt reducing payroll bloom can’t waste 20 million on a closerCarp4Cy wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:44 pmHelsley gets a QO and we get a draft pick. That’s more than we’d get in trade anyway. Wacha was a compensation pick.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:34 pmIt’s pretty simple the question would be are you trying to build a team that actually win in the post season and be good in the future and trade him or keep him in the hope and prayer that you sneak into the post season for another one and done and helsley leaves as a free agent with nothing in returnCardinals4Life wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:29 pmI don't get the fascination with trading your closer when you are in a playoff race?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 20:54 pmMo put together a team with a bunch of players with 0 trade value and kept fedde when he should have traded him in the off season when he had value he’s kept helsley and is keeping him as his value continues to go down
Re: Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 23:52 pm
I agree. They let him walk and consider the saved $ a win.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:48 pmlol you’re crazy if you think they give him a QO. Cardinals are not going to risk paying a closer 20 million they won’t do it it won’t happen if you think they will you haven’t seen how the cardinals operate or have been drinking heavily. Cards will get nothing for him. With Dewitt reducing payroll bloom can’t waste 20 million on a closerCarp4Cy wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:44 pmHelsley gets a QO and we get a draft pick. That’s more than we’d get in trade anyway. Wacha was a compensation pick.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:34 pmIt’s pretty simple the question would be are you trying to build a team that actually win in the post season and be good in the future and trade him or keep him in the hope and prayer that you sneak into the post season for another one and done and helsley leaves as a free agent with nothing in returnCardinals4Life wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:29 pmI don't get the fascination with trading your closer when you are in a playoff race?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 20:54 pmMo put together a team with a bunch of players with 0 trade value and kept fedde when he should have traded him in the off season when he had value he’s kept helsley and is keeping him as his value continues to go down
Re: Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 09 Jul 2025 01:02 am
Not a chance.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:44 pmHelsley gets a QO and we get a draft pick. That’s more than we’d get in trade anyway. Wacha was a compensation pick.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:34 pmIt’s pretty simple the question would be are you trying to build a team that actually win in the post season and be good in the future and trade him or keep him in the hope and prayer that you sneak into the post season for another one and done and helsley leaves as a free agent with nothing in returnCardinals4Life wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:29 pmI don't get the fascination with trading your closer when you are in a playoff race?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 20:54 pmMo put together a team with a bunch of players with 0 trade value and kept fedde when he should have traded him in the off season when he had value he’s kept helsley and is keeping him as his value continues to go down
A work stoppage is coming after 2026. This ownership isn't going to throw that kind of money on a closer who you could argue his best days are behind him.
Re: Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 09 Jul 2025 04:52 am
This place continues to amaze me. Posters who think they know everything and that everyone agrees with them draw disagreement from others who think they know everything and that everyone agrees with them. The conclusion? No one knows everything. The easiest job in the world is the postseason critic. He gets all the data after the fact... except the whole story.
We don't really know what the Cards were offered, if anything, for Fedde, Mikolas or Helsley. The only one we have decent info on is NA and we know that he turned down those trades. Everybody laughs at the poster who proposes a trade of Fermin for Ohtani because it's unrealistic. It is just as realistic to pretend that the FO can make trades that may not exist.
We all know what we would like to see. We want to see the team win. We have different views of how it could happen. Discussion is healthy. We share ideas and its good for the soul. But let's at least be smart enough to realize that we're missing a lot of facts. None of us know everything unless you're in the FO, and there is no way they would hire persons so disloyal to the team.
We don't really know what the Cards were offered, if anything, for Fedde, Mikolas or Helsley. The only one we have decent info on is NA and we know that he turned down those trades. Everybody laughs at the poster who proposes a trade of Fermin for Ohtani because it's unrealistic. It is just as realistic to pretend that the FO can make trades that may not exist.
We all know what we would like to see. We want to see the team win. We have different views of how it could happen. Discussion is healthy. We share ideas and its good for the soul. But let's at least be smart enough to realize that we're missing a lot of facts. None of us know everything unless you're in the FO, and there is no way they would hire persons so disloyal to the team.
Re: Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 09 Jul 2025 06:07 am
There will be no work stoppage after 2026 since there are no major issues to resolve at this time. They can take a 1 year extension if need be.11WSChamps wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 01:02 amNot a chance.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:44 pmHelsley gets a QO and we get a draft pick. That’s more than we’d get in trade anyway. Wacha was a compensation pick.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:34 pmIt’s pretty simple the question would be are you trying to build a team that actually win in the post season and be good in the future and trade him or keep him in the hope and prayer that you sneak into the post season for another one and done and helsley leaves as a free agent with nothing in returnCardinals4Life wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 23:29 pmI don't get the fascination with trading your closer when you are in a playoff race?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 20:54 pmMo put together a team with a bunch of players with 0 trade value and kept fedde when he should have traded him in the off season when he had value he’s kept helsley and is keeping him as his value continues to go down
A work stoppage is coming after 2026. This ownership isn't going to throw that kind of money on a closer who you could argue his best days are behind him.
Re: Trade Pieces with 0 value as deadline approaches
Posted: 09 Jul 2025 06:28 am
I agree with a lot of what you say. I basically ignore most of the trade talk. People expect to get value for guys on expiring contracts and guys that are over valued by fans. You have to trade real value to get real value. And as soon as someone suggests those trades, a CT revolution happens.Barking Lion wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 04:52 am This place continues to amaze me. Posters who think they know everything and that everyone agrees with them draw disagreement from others who think they know everything and that everyone agrees with them. The conclusion? No one knows everything. The easiest job in the world is the postseason critic. He gets all the data after the fact... except the whole story.
We don't really know what the Cards were offered, if anything, for Fedde, Mikolas or Helsley. The only one we have decent info on is NA and we know that he turned down those trades. Everybody laughs at the poster who proposes a trade of Fermin for Ohtani because it's unrealistic. It is just as realistic to pretend that the FO can make trades that may not exist.
We all know what we would like to see. We want to see the team win. We have different views of how it could happen. Discussion is healthy. We share ideas and its good for the soul. But let's at least be smart enough to realize that we're missing a lot of facts. None of us know everything unless you're in the FO, and there is no way they would hire persons so disloyal to the team.