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Stop it with the Mo hate. He is obviously doing a good job of what Dewitt wants because the fans blame him for the owner being cheap. Fans need to realize Mo is there to be a scapegoat. His hands are tied. Until the payroll is top 10 there is no reason to support this owner. The recipe is proven. Every WS the Cardinals have won they had 2 things in common. Top 5 farm system and top 10 payroll. The farm is currently 11 with 4 top 100 and the #5 pick. The payroll however is $80m below the #10 spot and $40m coming off the books this year. The result is the 2011 team without a Pujols Molina Wainwright and Edmonds.

Dewitt makes him be a smug, arrogant condescending (donkey) to the fans?

Absolut wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:07 pm Dewitt makes him be a smug, arrogant condescending (donkey) to the fans?

Youboughtit wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:06 pm Stop it with the Mo hate. He is obviously doing a good job of what Dewitt wants because the fans blame him for the owner being cheap. Fans need to realize Mo is there to be a scapegoat. His hands are tied. Until the payroll is top 10 there is no reason to support this owner. The recipe is proven. Every WS the Cardinals have won they had 2 things in common. Top 5 farm system and top 10 payroll. The farm is currently 11 with 4 top 100 and the #5 pick. The payroll however is $80m below the #10 spot and $40m coming off the books this year. The result is the 2011 team without a Pujols Molina Wainwright and Edmonds.

BDW has given Mo substantial financial leeway over the years. Mo has squandered hundreds of millions. And I think the 11th best farm system is probably too generous. Most put them around 15-20.

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:09 pm

Absolut wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:07 pm Dewitt makes him be a smug, arrogant condescending (donkey) to the fans?

No but cant that serve a purpose? It deflects all the hate to him instead of the owner. If I had a business and wanted it ran in a way the consumer would not like I would hire a person to be the “bad guy”. Thats exactly what this is. The owner has created a “safe zone” from fans. Brilliant

Youboughtit wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:06 pm Stop it with the Mo hate. He is obviously doing a good job of what Dewitt wants because the fans blame him for the owner being cheap. Fans need to realize Mo is there to be a scapegoat. His hands are tied. Until the payroll is top 10 there is no reason to support this owner. The recipe is proven. Every WS the Cardinals have won they had 2 things in common. Top 5 farm system and top 10 payroll. The farm is currently 11 with 4 top 100 and the #5 pick. The payroll however is $80m below the #10 spot and $40m coming off the books this year. The result is the 2011 team without a Pujols Molina Wainwright and Edmonds.

the front office (donkey) kissers will accept you as a new member..do you have your own pom-poms and kneepads!

Youboughtit wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:12 pm

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:09 pm

Absolut wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:07 pm Dewitt makes him be a smug, arrogant condescending (donkey) to the fans?

No but cant that serve a purpose? It deflects all the hate to him instead of the owner. If I had a business and wanted it ran in a way the consumer would not like I would hire a person to be the “bad guy”. Thats exactly what this is. The owner has created a “safe zone” from fans. Brilliant

So, alienate and drive off customers, but at least they blame Mo? That would be far from brilliant.

WLTFE wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:12 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:06 pm Stop it with the Mo hate. He is obviously doing a good job of what Dewitt wants because the fans blame him for the owner being cheap. Fans need to realize Mo is there to be a scapegoat. His hands are tied. Until the payroll is top 10 there is no reason to support this owner. The recipe is proven. Every WS the Cardinals have won they had 2 things in common. Top 5 farm system and top 10 payroll. The farm is currently 11 with 4 top 100 and the #5 pick. The payroll however is $80m below the #10 spot and $40m coming off the books this year. The result is the 2011 team without a Pujols Molina Wainwright and Edmonds.

the front office (donkey) kissers will accept you as a new member..do you have your own pom-poms and kneepads!

I am placing the blame where it belongs. Dewitt is the problem

Absolut wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:13 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:12 pm

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:09 pm

Absolut wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:07 pm Dewitt makes him be a smug, arrogant condescending (donkey) to the fans?

No but cant that serve a purpose? It deflects all the hate to him instead of the owner. If I had a business and wanted it ran in a way the consumer would not like I would hire a person to be the “bad guy”. Thats exactly what this is. The owner has created a “safe zone” from fans. Brilliant

So, alienate and drive off customers, but at least they blame Mo? That would be far from brilliant.

It’s because of profit. They must satisfy a specific yearly return to the other owners. Cannot operate in the red even using the 30 years of excessive profit. Yes. I believe in their mind the fans must pay first for them to sign elite superstars. When the fact is fans will not come back until they spend first

Youboughtit wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:06 pm Stop it with the Mo hate. He is obviously doing a good job of what Dewitt wants because the fans blame him for the owner being cheap. Fans need to realize Mo is there to be a scapegoat. His hands are tied. Until the payroll is top 10 there is no reason to support this owner. The recipe is proven. Every WS the Cardinals have won they had 2 things in common. Top 5 farm system and top 10 payroll. The farm is currently 11 with 4 top 100 and the #5 pick. The payroll however is $80m below the #10 spot and $40m coming off the books this year. The result is the 2011 team without a Pujols Molina Wainwright and Edmonds.

There are two organizational problems here: 1) the payroll is too low and 2) the money that is spent is not spent wisely.

DeWitt is to blame for 1.
Mo is to blame for 2.

Then again...2025 is all on DeWitt. He could have fired Mo last Nov., and instead he kept him.

Youboughtit wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:16 pm

Absolut wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:13 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:12 pm

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:09 pm

Absolut wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:07 pm Dewitt makes him be a smug, arrogant condescending (donkey) to the fans?

No but cant that serve a purpose? It deflects all the hate to him instead of the owner. If I had a business and wanted it ran in a way the consumer would not like I would hire a person to be the “bad guy”. Thats exactly what this is. The owner has created a “safe zone” from fans. Brilliant

So, alienate and drive off customers, but at least they blame Mo? That would be far from brilliant.

It’s because of profit. They must satisfy a specific yearly return to the other owners. Cannot operate in the red even using the 30 years of excessive profit. Yes. I believe in their mind the fans must pay first for them to sign elite superstars. When the fact is fans will not come back until they spend first

Sorry, I don’t buy. Mo sucks and so does Dewitt. It’s causally mutually exclusive and synergistic at the same time.

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:17 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:06 pm Stop it with the Mo hate. He is obviously doing a good job of what Dewitt wants because the fans blame him for the owner being cheap. Fans need to realize Mo is there to be a scapegoat. His hands are tied. Until the payroll is top 10 there is no reason to support this owner. The recipe is proven. Every WS the Cardinals have won they had 2 things in common. Top 5 farm system and top 10 payroll. The farm is currently 11 with 4 top 100 and the #5 pick. The payroll however is $80m below the #10 spot and $40m coming off the books this year. The result is the 2011 team without a Pujols Molina Wainwright and Edmonds.

There are two organizational problems here: 1) the payroll is too low and 2) the money that is spent is not spent wisely.

DeWitt is to blame for 1.
Mo is to blame for 2.

Then again...2025 is all on DeWitt. He could have fired Mo last Nov., and instead he kept him.

Yes I do beleive Mo made some bad signings because he is given a let’s say $30m spend in any given year so he tried to say we need these 3 things. Bullpen SP and Bat. Then he said let’s spend $10m on each for aging vets to “win now” when he should have been going after younger players with elite skills or use $20m for a star and $10m for 2 fillers. Thats what he did wrong but my question is still. Why the handcuffs? Other teams are increasing payroll and a great market the owner is trying his best to devalue his.

Mo has squandered millions over the past 15 years. Wiggington, Leake, Fowler, Holland, Gregerson, Miller, Cecil, and more im probably (thankfully), forgetting. BDW gave him a payroll to win with. Mo (upset) away so much of the old man's money, BDW clamped down on the budget.

Mo also placed a bunch of powerless puds around him to cement his own authority. Problem is, he is a disaster at judging talent and even worse at acquiring it. The man is so arrogant, he thought he could outsmart the league and totally tore up the "Cardinals Way" philosophy that created the success he once enjoyed. What a dumb[ash] putz!

BDW should take the blame for keeping that insufferable jackass around so long.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:42 pm Mo has squandered millions over the past 15 years. Wiggington, Leake, Fowler, Holland, Gregerson, Miller, Cecil, and more im probably (thankfully), forgetting. BDW gave him a payroll to win with. Mo (upset) away so much of the old man's money, BDW clamped down on the budget.

Mo also placed a bunch of powerless puds around him to cement his own authority. Problem is, he is a disaster at judging talent and even worse at acquiring it. The man is so arrogant, he thought he could outsmart the league and totally tore up the "Cardinals Way" philosophy that created the success he once enjoyed. What a dumb[ash] putz!

BDW should take the blame for keeping that insufferable jackass around so long.

Ok but Mo didn’t cut payroll from $178m last year to $75m on the books for next year. This team is missing the big ticket players. That’s on Dewitt. If it is truly just Mos fault then the next GM should have the budget to get payroll over $200m. Time will tell. $215 is #10 and that’s the winning formula. Dont hold your breath. I think Dewitt wants a sub $100m payroll for profit reasons

Youboughtit wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 18:02 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:42 pm Mo has squandered millions over the past 15 years. Wiggington, Leake, Fowler, Holland, Gregerson, Miller, Cecil, and more im probably (thankfully), forgetting. BDW gave him a payroll to win with. Mo (upset) away so much of the old man's money, BDW clamped down on the budget.

Mo also placed a bunch of powerless puds around him to cement his own authority. Problem is, he is a disaster at judging talent and even worse at acquiring it. The man is so arrogant, he thought he could outsmart the league and totally tore up the "Cardinals Way" philosophy that created the success he once enjoyed. What a dumb[ash] putz!

BDW should take the blame for keeping that insufferable jackass around so long.

Ok but Mo didn’t cut payroll from $178m last year to $75m on the books for next year. This team is missing the big ticket players. That’s on Dewitt. If it is truly just Mos fault then the next GM should have the budget to get payroll over $200m. Time will tell. $215 is #10 and that’s the winning formula. Dont hold your breath. I think Dewitt wants a sub $100m payroll for profit reasons

I dont think it'll be $75 million. But I agree it won't touch $200 million.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 19:25 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 18:02 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:42 pm Mo has squandered millions over the past 15 years. Wiggington, Leake, Fowler, Holland, Gregerson, Miller, Cecil, and more im probably (thankfully), forgetting. BDW gave him a payroll to win with. Mo (upset) away so much of the old man's money, BDW clamped down on the budget.

Mo also placed a bunch of powerless puds around him to cement his own authority. Problem is, he is a disaster at judging talent and even worse at acquiring it. The man is so arrogant, he thought he could outsmart the league and totally tore up the "Cardinals Way" philosophy that created the success he once enjoyed. What a dumb[ash] putz!

BDW should take the blame for keeping that insufferable jackass around so long.

Ok but Mo didn’t cut payroll from $178m last year to $75m on the books for next year. This team is missing the big ticket players. That’s on Dewitt. If it is truly just Mos fault then the next GM should have the budget to get payroll over $200m. Time will tell. $215 is #10 and that’s the winning formula. Dont hold your breath. I think Dewitt wants a sub $100m payroll for profit reasons

I dont think it'll be $75 million. But I agree it won't touch $200 million.

When others are spending more for the Cardinals to go down 50% is a slap in the face to fans. I for one was asking for more at $178 because they fell to # 13 in MLB and they have not was a WS unless in top 10. I don’t understand the rationale. All I can come up with is Dewitt lost his fastball and stopped caring about competing for WS and started looking at profit margins. I do know he has said they don’t consider any of Ballpark village, the apartments, parking, etc as “cardinals revenue” therefore he is keeping just the team on a balance sheet so it payroll vs attendance concessions and TV. I assume because it’s a different ownership group and those people wat to operate in the positive. My response is the team was bought for 500m and the parking garages sold for half that. The team is now worth 3.4b and the profits for the first 20 years were astronomical. It’s time to reinvest in the on field product. Fans will not blindly show up. We want superstar players in their prime or a legit WS contender. Not a WC team