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sp25 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 09:34 am I believe Red managed the Cardinals for over 10 years.

Ted Williams won Manager of the Year in Washington.

All great players:
Gil Hodges
Al Dark
Harry Walker
Bob Lemon
Casey Stengel
Bucky Harris
John McGraw

Old School player-managers:
Rogers Hornsby
Frankie Frisch
Frank Chance
Lou Boudreau

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 09:21 am In a different thread, Strummer & I just rejected the idea of Yadi or Albert managing the Cards.

There aren’t many cases of stars becoming successful managers over the years.

Can you name any? Or can you name any pretty good players who became successful managers?

I’ll name the few that I can recall:

Stars or Borderline Stars:
Dusty Baker
Joe Torre (although his Yankees were stacked)
Red Schoendienst ( 60’s Cards also stacked)
Davey Johnson
Don Mattingly
Lou Pinella

But I struggle to come up with other former stars or semi-stars who were successful managers beyond those 6. And can’t really recall one successful SUPERstar.

When I think of great long-term managers since the 1960’s, names like Walter Alston, Tommy Lasorda, Sparky Anderson, Dick Tanner, Earl Weaver, Whitey Herzog, Tony LaRussa, etc, all who were journeymen at best or barely even major leaguers.

Anyone else have names of reasonably accomplished players who became successful managers? Btw, I’d even argue Red might not qualify since he didn’t manage the Cards a real long time.

jcgmoi wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 12:24 pm Frank Robinson managed for 17 years, Ted Williams for 4. Both are inner circle HoFers.

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 09:21 am In a different thread, Strummer & I just rejected the idea of Yadi or Albert managing the Cards.

There aren’t many cases of stars becoming successful managers over the years.

Can you name any? Or can you name any pretty good players who became successful managers?

I’ll name the few that I can recall:

Stars or Borderline Stars:
Dusty Baker
Joe Torre (although his Yankees were stacked)
Red Schoendienst ( 60’s Cards also stacked)
Davey Johnson
Don Mattingly
Lou Pinella

But I struggle to come up with other former stars or semi-stars who were successful managers beyond those 6. And can’t really recall one successful SUPERstar.

When I think of great long-term managers since the 1960’s, names like Walter Alston, Tommy Lasorda, Sparky Anderson, Dick Tanner, Earl Weaver, Whitey Herzog, Tony LaRussa, etc, all who were journeymen at best or barely even major leaguers.

Anyone else have names of reasonably accomplished players who became successful managers? Btw, I’d even argue Red might not qualify since he didn’t manage the Cards a real long time.

jcgmoi wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 12:24 pm Frank Robinson managed for 17 years, Ted Williams for 4. Both are inner circle HoFers.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 14:58 pm I don't know of anybody who was HOF both as manager and player but certainly Joe Torre and Red Schoendienst were stars during their playing days and HOF managers.

Torre made 9 all star games. MVP in 1971 getting MVP votes several times. Managed Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.
Schoendienst 10 all star games. Managed Cardinals to 2 world series winning 1.

Baker good manager and legit player but only made 2 all star games.

Connie Mack was certainly the most successful manager but played in 1800's. Final season was 1896. Stats indicate probably not a star as a player. He was a catcher who interfered with the batter intentionally and was responsible for getting catcher's interference rule enacted.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 15:02 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 09:21 am In a different thread, Strummer & I just rejected the idea of Yadi or Albert managing the Cards.

There aren’t many cases of stars becoming successful managers over the years.

Can you name any? Or can you name any pretty good players who became successful managers?

I’ll name the few that I can recall:

Stars or Borderline Stars:
Dusty Baker
Joe Torre (although his Yankees were stacked)
Red Schoendienst ( 60’s Cards also stacked)
Davey Johnson
Don Mattingly
Lou Pinella

But I struggle to come up with other former stars or semi-stars who were successful managers beyond those 6. And can’t really recall one successful SUPERstar.

When I think of great long-term managers since the 1960’s, names like Walter Alston, Tommy Lasorda, Sparky Anderson, Dick Tanner, Earl Weaver, Whitey Herzog, Tony LaRussa, etc, all who were journeymen at best or barely even major leaguers.

Anyone else have names of reasonably accomplished players who became successful managers? Btw, I’d even argue Red might not qualify since he didn’t manage the Cards a real long time.

Just because there may not have been many doesn't mean you reject Albert or Yadi simply because of that!
There aren't that many players who played like them either. Some people are gifted!

I vote for the first ever co-managers: Yadi/Albert tag team this organization and bring it back to greatness!

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 15:52 pm

jcgmoi wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 12:24 pm Frank Robinson managed for 17 years, Ted Williams for 4. Both are inner circle HoFers.

Wow, I knew F. Robby managed the Indians, but didn’t recall that he managed for 17 years! He was definitely a superstar.

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 09:21 am In a different thread, Strummer & I just rejected the idea of Yadi or Albert managing the Cards.

There aren’t many cases of stars becoming successful managers over the years.

Can you name any? Or can you name any pretty good players who became successful managers?

I’ll name the few that I can recall:

Stars or Borderline Stars:
Dusty Baker
Joe Torre (although his Yankees were stacked)
Red Schoendienst ( 60’s Cards also stacked)
Davey Johnson
Don Mattingly
Lou Pinella

But I struggle to come up with other former stars or semi-stars who were successful managers beyond those 6. And can’t really recall one successful SUPERstar.

When I think of great long-term managers since the 1960’s, names like Walter Alston, Tommy Lasorda, Sparky Anderson, Dick Tanner, Earl Weaver, Whitey Herzog, Tony LaRussa, etc, all who were journeymen at best or barely even major leaguers.

Anyone else have names of reasonably accomplished players who became successful managers? Btw, I’d even argue Red might not qualify since he didn’t manage the Cards a real long time.

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 15:56 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 14:58 pm I don't know of anybody who was HOF both as manager and player but certainly Joe Torre and Red Schoendienst were stars during their playing days and HOF managers.

Torre made 9 all star games. MVP in 1971 getting MVP votes several times. Managed Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.
Schoendienst 10 all star games. Managed Cardinals to 2 world series winning 1.

Baker good manager and legit player but only made 2 all star games.

Connie Mack was certainly the most successful manager but played in 1800's. Final season was 1896. Stats indicate probably not a star as a player. He was a catcher who interfered with the batter intentionally and was responsible for getting catcher's interference rule enacted.

Connie Mack managed for many, many years. His secret for not getting fired? He owned the Philadelphia Athletics when he was manager!!!

The other piece of Connie Mack trivia is that he was the last MLB manager to wear street clothes while managing. He didn’t wear a uniform. Usually wore suit, tie, and straw hat.