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CCard wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 05:22 am You all just don't seem to understand. One more time for the learning impaired. DEWITT makes the decisions. The GM does the leg work and talks with other GM's about possible deals, but if DeWitt won't sign off on it, it's dead. Imagine in the off season if DeWitt decides to get Tucker , that makes the line up so much better and free's up and outfield spot to be traded. A good idea, right? Now who among you thinks DeWitt will lay out that kind of money? Especially with his love of cheap useless rejects like Siani and Hampson. Face it, we're probably in for an extended run of mediocrity. A great bat and another good to great starter, maybe some tweaking with the bullpen and they could challenge for the division. But this doesn't work with Fedde and Mikolas in the rotation. My god, Fedde didn't get out of the 2nd inning. Pitiful.

Detroit Louie wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 02:16 am So he keeps a core of Donovan, Winn, Burleson, Scott, Contreras, Gray, Pallante, McGreevy.
Can he trade Arenado?
Probably keeps Gorman and Walker rather than trading them at low points.Though, my guess is that one of them does get traded.
No idea where they go with Nootbaar, would not be surprised either way, though trading would not bring much back anymore.
They bring up JJ, Mathews, Hence, maybe Roby, and young catchers.
Presumably, Bloom has his eyes on some sleepers on other teams he can try for.
So, a cleaning but not a deep cleaning.

45s wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 07:23 am

Detroit Louie wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 02:16 am So he keeps a core of Donovan, Winn, Burleson, Scott, Contreras, Gray, Pallante, McGreevy.
Can he trade Arenado?
Probably keeps Gorman and Walker rather than trading them at low points.Though, my guess is that one of them does get traded.
No idea where they go with Nootbaar, would not be surprised either way, though trading would not bring much back anymore.
They bring up JJ, Mathews, Hence, maybe Roby, and young catchers.
Presumably, Bloom has his eyes on some sleepers on other teams he can try for.
So, a cleaning but not a deep cleaning.

good thoughts......but I differ on Gray and Contreras

Gary will be 36 and Contreras will be 34......can't build a long term core around players that old

I understand they have NTCs......and there is a lesson in that

at least shop them

CCard wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 10:50 am

45s wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 07:23 am

Detroit Louie wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 02:16 am So he keeps a core of Donovan, Winn, Burleson, Scott, Contreras, Gray, Pallante, McGreevy.
Can he trade Arenado?
Probably keeps Gorman and Walker rather than trading them at low points.Though, my guess is that one of them does get traded.
No idea where they go with Nootbaar, would not be surprised either way, though trading would not bring much back anymore.
They bring up JJ, Mathews, Hence, maybe Roby, and young catchers.
Presumably, Bloom has his eyes on some sleepers on other teams he can try for.
So, a cleaning but not a deep cleaning.

good thoughts......but I differ on Gray and Contreras

Gary will be 36 and Contreras will be 34......can't build a long term core around players that old

I understand they have NTCs......and there is a lesson in that

at least shop them

Gray and Contreras have already said they aren't going anywhere. So there's no need to "shop" them. As for "Long term core"? Show me a team that has that. All teams require some veterans to be successful. By their very nature young players are not consistent. Most of the other chafe? What exactly can you trade to another team to get a haul? The Cards don't really have a prime time superstar to get a haul. Even if they did, you really wouldn't want to trade a superstar when you're well above .500. It's more about getting that superstar to elevate your team. They need multiple of them to be a real juggernaut, but ownership won't buy those so we're forced to hope they can develop one. It hasn't happened.

45s wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:36 pm

CCard wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 10:50 am

45s wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 07:23 am

Detroit Louie wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 02:16 am So he keeps a core of Donovan, Winn, Burleson, Scott, Contreras, Gray, Pallante, McGreevy.
Can he trade Arenado?
Probably keeps Gorman and Walker rather than trading them at low points.Though, my guess is that one of them does get traded.
No idea where they go with Nootbaar, would not be surprised either way, though trading would not bring much back anymore.
They bring up JJ, Mathews, Hence, maybe Roby, and young catchers.
Presumably, Bloom has his eyes on some sleepers on other teams he can try for.
So, a cleaning but not a deep cleaning.

good thoughts......but I differ on Gray and Contreras

Gary will be 36 and Contreras will be 34......can't build a long term core around players that old

I understand they have NTCs......and there is a lesson in that

at least shop them

Gray and Contreras have already said they aren't going anywhere. So there's no need to "shop" them. As for "Long term core"? Show me a team that has that. All teams require some veterans to be successful. By their very nature young players are not consistent. Most of the other chafe? What exactly can you trade to another team to get a haul? The Cards don't really have a prime time superstar to get a haul. Even if they did, you really wouldn't want to trade a superstar when you're well above .500. It's more about getting that superstar to elevate your team. They need multiple of them to be a real juggernaut, but ownership won't buy those so we're forced to hope they can develop one. It hasn't happened.

at least give them an opportunity to waive those contract details..

They might be looking around and seeing the future of this club…..and thinking for the right team it’s their best move…

Whoever in the front office thought giving a 36 year pitcher a NTC, and 35 million dollars in 26 was a good idea is the guy that should be DFA…..

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:47 pm

45s wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:36 pm

CCard wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 10:50 am

45s wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 07:23 am

Detroit Louie wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 02:16 am So he keeps a core of Donovan, Winn, Burleson, Scott, Contreras, Gray, Pallante, McGreevy.
Can he trade Arenado?
Probably keeps Gorman and Walker rather than trading them at low points.Though, my guess is that one of them does get traded.
No idea where they go with Nootbaar, would not be surprised either way, though trading would not bring much back anymore.
They bring up JJ, Mathews, Hence, maybe Roby, and young catchers.
Presumably, Bloom has his eyes on some sleepers on other teams he can try for.
So, a cleaning but not a deep cleaning.

good thoughts......but I differ on Gray and Contreras

Gary will be 36 and Contreras will be 34......can't build a long term core around players that old

I understand they have NTCs......and there is a lesson in that

at least shop them

Gray and Contreras have already said they aren't going anywhere. So there's no need to "shop" them. As for "Long term core"? Show me a team that has that. All teams require some veterans to be successful. By their very nature young players are not consistent. Most of the other chafe? What exactly can you trade to another team to get a haul? The Cards don't really have a prime time superstar to get a haul. Even if they did, you really wouldn't want to trade a superstar when you're well above .500. It's more about getting that superstar to elevate your team. They need multiple of them to be a real juggernaut, but ownership won't buy those so we're forced to hope they can develop one. It hasn't happened.

at least give them an opportunity to waive those contract details..

They might be looking around and seeing the future of this club…..and thinking for the right team it’s their best move…

Whoever in the front office thought giving a 36 year pitcher a NTC, and 35 million dollars in 26 was a good idea is the guy that should be DFA…..

Exactly. Mo gave Mikolas the ntc because it was easier than having to acquire a better option. I cant stress enough how (drat) lazy that putz is.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:47 pm

45s wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:36 pm

CCard wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 10:50 am

45s wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 07:23 am

Detroit Louie wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 02:16 am So he keeps a core of Donovan, Winn, Burleson, Scott, Contreras, Gray, Pallante, McGreevy.
Can he trade Arenado?
Probably keeps Gorman and Walker rather than trading them at low points.Though, my guess is that one of them does get traded.
No idea where they go with Nootbaar, would not be surprised either way, though trading would not bring much back anymore.
They bring up JJ, Mathews, Hence, maybe Roby, and young catchers.
Presumably, Bloom has his eyes on some sleepers on other teams he can try for.
So, a cleaning but not a deep cleaning.

good thoughts......but I differ on Gray and Contreras

Gary will be 36 and Contreras will be 34......can't build a long term core around players that old

I understand they have NTCs......and there is a lesson in that

at least shop them

Gray and Contreras have already said they aren't going anywhere. So there's no need to "shop" them. As for "Long term core"? Show me a team that has that. All teams require some veterans to be successful. By their very nature young players are not consistent. Most of the other chafe? What exactly can you trade to another team to get a haul? The Cards don't really have a prime time superstar to get a haul. Even if they did, you really wouldn't want to trade a superstar when you're well above .500. It's more about getting that superstar to elevate your team. They need multiple of them to be a real juggernaut, but ownership won't buy those so we're forced to hope they can develop one. It hasn't happened.

at least give them an opportunity to waive those contract details..

They might be looking around and seeing the future of this club…..and thinking for the right team it’s their best move…

Whoever in the front office thought giving a 36 year pitcher a NTC, and 35 million dollars in 26 was a good idea is the guy that should be DFA…..

Exactly. Mo gave Mikolas the ntc because it was easier than having to acquire a better option. I cant stress enough how (drat) lazy that putz is.

thetank2 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 18:15 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:47 pm

45s wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:36 pm

CCard wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 10:50 am

45s wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 07:23 am

Detroit Louie wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 02:16 am So he keeps a core of Donovan, Winn, Burleson, Scott, Contreras, Gray, Pallante, McGreevy.
Can he trade Arenado?
Probably keeps Gorman and Walker rather than trading them at low points.Though, my guess is that one of them does get traded.
No idea where they go with Nootbaar, would not be surprised either way, though trading would not bring much back anymore.
They bring up JJ, Mathews, Hence, maybe Roby, and young catchers.
Presumably, Bloom has his eyes on some sleepers on other teams he can try for.
So, a cleaning but not a deep cleaning.

good thoughts......but I differ on Gray and Contreras

Gary will be 36 and Contreras will be 34......can't build a long term core around players that old

I understand they have NTCs......and there is a lesson in that

at least shop them

Gray and Contreras have already said they aren't going anywhere. So there's no need to "shop" them. As for "Long term core"? Show me a team that has that. All teams require some veterans to be successful. By their very nature young players are not consistent. Most of the other chafe? What exactly can you trade to another team to get a haul? The Cards don't really have a prime time superstar to get a haul. Even if they did, you really wouldn't want to trade a superstar when you're well above .500. It's more about getting that superstar to elevate your team. They need multiple of them to be a real juggernaut, but ownership won't buy those so we're forced to hope they can develop one. It hasn't happened.

at least give them an opportunity to waive those contract details..

They might be looking around and seeing the future of this club…..and thinking for the right team it’s their best move…

Whoever in the front office thought giving a 36 year pitcher a NTC, and 35 million dollars in 26 was a good idea is the guy that should be DFA…..

Exactly. Mo gave Mikolas the ntc because it was easier than having to acquire a better option. I cant stress enough how (drat) lazy that putz is.

Juan: no one cares about you saying the same thing over and over again.

45s wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:56 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:47 pm

45s wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 17:36 pm

CCard wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 10:50 am

45s wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 07:23 am

Detroit Louie wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 02:16 am So he keeps a core of Donovan, Winn, Burleson, Scott, Contreras, Gray, Pallante, McGreevy.
Can he trade Arenado?
Probably keeps Gorman and Walker rather than trading them at low points.Though, my guess is that one of them does get traded.
No idea where they go with Nootbaar, would not be surprised either way, though trading would not bring much back anymore.
They bring up JJ, Mathews, Hence, maybe Roby, and young catchers.
Presumably, Bloom has his eyes on some sleepers on other teams he can try for.
So, a cleaning but not a deep cleaning.

good thoughts......but I differ on Gray and Contreras

Gary will be 36 and Contreras will be 34......can't build a long term core around players that old

I understand they have NTCs......and there is a lesson in that

at least shop them

Gray and Contreras have already said they aren't going anywhere. So there's no need to "shop" them. As for "Long term core"? Show me a team that has that. All teams require some veterans to be successful. By their very nature young players are not consistent. Most of the other chafe? What exactly can you trade to another team to get a haul? The Cards don't really have a prime time superstar to get a haul. Even if they did, you really wouldn't want to trade a superstar when you're well above .500. It's more about getting that superstar to elevate your team. They need multiple of them to be a real juggernaut, but ownership won't buy those so we're forced to hope they can develop one. It hasn't happened.

at least give them an opportunity to waive those contract details..

They might be looking around and seeing the future of this club…..and thinking for the right team it’s their best move…

Whoever in the front office thought giving a 36 year pitcher a NTC, and 35 million dollars in 26 was a good idea is the guy that should be DFA…..

Exactly. Mo gave Mikolas the ntc because it was easier than having to acquire a better option. I cant stress enough how (drat) lazy that putz is.

I was not as anti Mo as many for a long time. but as time as gone on, and I see no commitment to a specific plan, and these ridiculous contracts…I’m on board that anti Mo train…

We will see what vision the new guy has….but hopefully sanity is included in his profile…