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Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 28 Jun 2025 08:02 am
by ScotchMIrish
Now 12 years since Baker was fired they have had only had 2 winning seasons. Currently on pace to win 84. Not great but considering their payroll not bad.
Re: Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 28 Jun 2025 08:04 am
by sikeston bulldog2
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 08:02 am
Now 12 years since Baker was fired they have had only had 2 winning seasons. Currently on pace to win 84. Not great but considering their payroll not bad.
I’d think 84 wins would be a great start in their search for renewed relevance.
Re: Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 28 Jun 2025 08:45 am
by scoutyjones2
Card fans would be calling for heads to roll
Re: Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 28 Jun 2025 08:53 am
by rockondlouie
Great Manager
Makes a big difference
Hope C. Bloom can find us one!
Re: Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 28 Jun 2025 09:04 am
by ScotchMIrish
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 08:45 am
Card fans would be calling for heads to roll
True but reality is slowly setting in regarding the tv deal and inability to spend. What's keeping us in contention this season is the low injured payroll number - the lowest in MLB.
Dewitt fired Matheny with a winning record and the team averaging 42,000 per game. If we had that in 2025 he'd give Matheny a contract extension.
Re: Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 28 Jun 2025 09:44 am
by Bad14
Matheny was awful. He inherited a good team.
Re: Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 28 Jun 2025 09:49 am
by Stlcardsblues
Bad14 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 09:44 am
Matheny was awful. He inherited a good team.
Matheny walked into a difficult situation. While Matheny will never be confused with a great manager, it was not an easy situation to walk into.
Re: Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 28 Jun 2025 09:52 am
by Stlcardsblues
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 08:53 am
Great Manager
Makes a big difference
Hope C. Bloom can find us one!
I doubt they hire an experienced manager, this goes past just Mo to DeWitt. Dewitt doesn’t want a manager with a backbone as he doesn’t want to be pushed to improve the on field team. LaRussa had a voice to push the front office to push the boundaries of payroll. He wants managers who are yes men. Schildt tried to push back and was fired.
Re: Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 28 Jun 2025 10:17 am
by rockondlouie
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 09:52 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 08:53 am
Great Manager
Makes a big difference
Hope C. Bloom can find us one!
I doubt they hire an experienced manager, this goes past just Mo to DeWitt. Dewitt doesn’t want a manager with a backbone as he doesn’t want to be pushed to improve the on field team. LaRussa had a voice to push the front office to push the boundaries of payroll. He wants managers who are yes men. Schildt tried to push back and was fired.
Man I hope not Stlcb
Let's hope these small crowds have taught Dewitt a lessen.
The brewery let the team spin out of control in the 70's, Whitey came in to save the franchise.
TLR did the same in the 90's.
Smarten up Dewitt, you need a quality Manager in the dugout.
Re: Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 28 Jun 2025 12:45 pm
by CorneliusWolfe
He’s made a huge difference. They also have a true ace and superstar position player with MVP potential. Reds future more scary than Cubs or Brewers to me.
Re: Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 28 Jun 2025 15:15 pm
by ScotchMIrish
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 09:49 am
Bad14 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 09:44 am
Matheny was awful. He inherited a good team.
Matheny walked into a difficult situation. While Matheny will never be confused with a great manager, it was not an easy situation to walk into.
LaRussa's final 6 seasons with Pujols
2006 - 83
2007 - 78
2008 - 86
2009 - 91
2010 - 86
2011 - 90
________
514
Matheny's 6 seasons without Pujols
2012 - 88
2013 - 97
2014 - 90
2015 - 100
2016 - 86
2017 - 83
________
544
LaRussa's first 6 seasons without Pujols
1996 - 88
1997 - 73
1998 - 83
1999 - 75
2000 - 95
2001 - 93
________
507
6 seasons after Matheny
2019 - 91
covid 30-28 extrapolate to 162 = 84
2021 - 90
2022 - 93
2023 - 71
2024 - 83
________
512
The last manager to take the Cardinals to the world series without Pujols on the roster since Herzog 1987 - Matheny.
I don't understand the dislike for Matheny.
Re: Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 28 Jun 2025 15:20 pm
by CorneliusWolfe
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 15:15 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 09:49 am
Bad14 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 09:44 am
Matheny was awful. He inherited a good team.
Matheny walked into a difficult situation. While Matheny will never be confused with a great manager, it was not an easy situation to walk into.
LaRussa's final 6 seasons with Pujols
2006 - 83
2007 - 78
2008 - 86
2009 - 91
2010 - 86
2011 - 90
________
514
Matheny's 6 seasons without Pujols
2012 - 88
2013 - 97
2014 - 90
2015 - 100
2016 - 86
2017 - 83
________
544
LaRussa's first 6 seasons without Pujols
1996 - 88
1997 - 73
1998 - 83
1999 - 75
2000 - 95
2001 - 93
________
507
6 seasons after Matheny
2019 - 91
covid 30-28 extrapolate to 162 = 84
2021 - 90
2022 - 93
2023 - 71
2024 - 83
________
512
The last manager to take the Cardinals to the world series without Pujols on the roster since Herzog 1987 - Matheny.
I don't understand the dislike for Matheny.
Nice breakdown. I thought him and Schildt, while they maybe had some room for improvements, were fired prematurely. I’m guessing they were too outspoken and threatened Mo’s undisputed power. Reminded him of TLR and his thin skin couldn’t handle it.
Re: Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 28 Jun 2025 15:24 pm
by Stlcardsblues
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 15:15 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 09:49 am
Bad14 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 09:44 am
Matheny was awful. He inherited a good team.
Matheny walked into a difficult situation. While Matheny will never be confused with a great manager, it was not an easy situation to walk into.
LaRussa's final 6 seasons with Pujols
2006 - 83
2007 - 78
2008 - 86
2009 - 91
2010 - 86
2011 - 90
________
514
Matheny's 6 seasons without Pujols
2012 - 88
2013 - 97
2014 - 90
2015 - 100
2016 - 86
2017 - 83
________
544
LaRussa's first 6 seasons without Pujols
1996 - 88
1997 - 73
1998 - 83
1999 - 75
2000 - 95
2001 - 93
________
507
6 seasons after Matheny
2019 - 91
covid 30-28 extrapolate to 162 = 84
2021 - 90
2022 - 93
2023 - 71
2024 - 83
________
512
The last manager to take the Cardinals to the world series without Pujols on the roster since Herzog 1987 - Matheny.
I don't understand the dislike for Matheny.
I never bashed Matheny as a manager, I was one of the few who defended him.
Re: Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 28 Jun 2025 19:04 pm
by 82birds
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 08:53 am
Great Manager
Makes a big difference
Hope C. Bloom can find us one!
+ 1,000,000
Re: Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 29 Jun 2025 08:48 am
by rockondlouie
82birds wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 19:04 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 08:53 am
Great Manager
Makes a big difference
Hope C. Bloom can find us one!
+ 1,000,000
Re: Reds playing a little better under Francona
Posted: 29 Jun 2025 08:52 am
by thetank2
82birds wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 19:04 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 08:53 am
Great Manager
Makes a big difference
Hope C. Bloom can find us one!
+ 1,000,000
Well his Boston record doesn't inspire me.