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11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:43 am They have also lost two starting pitchers to injury and against the "good " teams that's going to matter.

Cardinals haven't had to deal with that thank goodness.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:47 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:43 am They have also lost two starting pitchers to injury and against the "good " teams that's going to matter.

Cardinals haven't had to deal with that thank goodness.

We haven’t lost any pitchers yet, but we have lost arguably our best hitter twice to the IL now. As well as Winn, Gorman, and Walker to other IL stints at various points.

Cubs offense has been quite healthy, they have 6 players with at least 75 games played and another with 72. And they make an everyday impact versus pitchers that make every 5th day impact.

I’d say overall both teams aren’t exactly hurting in the injury category for the season.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:59 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:47 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:43 am They have also lost two starting pitchers to injury and against the "good " teams that's going to matter.

Cardinals haven't had to deal with that thank goodness.

We haven’t lost any pitchers yet, but we have lost arguably our best hitter twice to the IL now. As well as Winn, Gorman, and Walker to other IL stints at various points.

Cubs offense has been quite healthy, they have 6 players with at least 75 games played and another with 72. And they make an everyday impact versus pitchers that make every 5th day impact.

I’d say overall both teams aren’t exactly hurting in the injury category for the season.

You can't be serious.

Assad and Imanga with long stints on the IL and Steele out for the season.

That's a ton more of an affect than anything Walker and Gorman have done. Winn's abscence nothing compared to those three. IH is the only one that has mattered.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 10:06 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:59 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:47 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:43 am They have also lost two starting pitchers to injury and against the "good " teams that's going to matter.

Cardinals haven't had to deal with that thank goodness.

We haven’t lost any pitchers yet, but we have lost arguably our best hitter twice to the IL now. As well as Winn, Gorman, and Walker to other IL stints at various points.

Cubs offense has been quite healthy, they have 6 players with at least 75 games played and another with 72. And they make an everyday impact versus pitchers that make every 5th day impact.

I’d say overall both teams aren’t exactly hurting in the injury category for the season.

Its not like the Cardinals lost Arenado, Donovan and Contreras.

The loss of those starters at some point, if not now than later in the season when the BP usage starts to pile up.

It has a trickle down effect.

You can't be serious.

Assad and Imanga with long stints on the IL and Steele out for the season.

That's a ton more of an affect than anything Walker and Gorman have done. Winn's abscence nothing compared to those three. IH is the only one that has mattered.

Assad is like the Cubs version of Dakota Hudson. Solid ERA, but his peripherals suck.

Imanaga was a loss, but he missed what 6 starts? And most came when their schedule was easy.

Steele was the bigger loss obviously.

But again their position players have been virtually untouched. And those make every day impacts if they are lost.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:43 am They have also lost two starting pitchers to injury and against the "good " teams that's going to matter.

Cardinals haven't had to deal with that thank goodness.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:47 am This is some very interesting info from Bernie, should make Cardinal fans feel a lot better about where we stand vs the Scrubs.

Note:
This article was written two days ago, before the Cards lost two to the scrubs so adjust some numbers

CUBS: OVERRATED?

Through Tuesday night only 2 and ½ games separated Chicago and St. Louis in the standings. That reflects well on the Cardinals because the Cubs have played a much easier schedule.

I looked at each team’s record against the MLB teams that are in the bottom seven in overall winning percentage.

Those stinky teams are the Rockies, White Sox, A’s, Pirates, Marlins, Nationals and Orioles. Through Tuesday, that group of seven were collectively 143 games under .500. The Orioles were nine games under .500. The other six ranged from 13 games under .500 to 43 games under .500.

The Cubs have had a lot of games, 25, against the seven weakest teams in the majors. And it’s no surprise to see the Cubs with a 15-5 record against the bottom seven. The .800 winning percentage in those games looks good for the Cubs. The good teams are supposed to beat up the bad teams.

But here’s the thing. The Cardinals have the same .800 winning percentage against the seven worst teams in MLB. But unlike the Cubs, who stacked victories in 25 games against the losingest teams, the Cardinals have played only 15 games against the sorriest assortment of teams in the majors. And the Cardinals have done very well against them, going 12-3.

The point: considering that St. Louis has played 10 fewer games than the Cubs in the matchups against the most hapless teams, the Cardinals have done a (bleep) good job to be only 2 and ½ games in back of the Cubs.

OK, but what about the records against opponents that currently rank in the top 10 in MLB for winning percentage? Actually, it’s the top 11 because the Cardinals and Brewers are tied for 10th with a .550 winning percentage.

Here’s what I learned about the Cubs and the Cardinals when they’ve gone up against the teams that have a top 11 winning percentage so far in 2025.

Cubs: 12-17

Cardinals: 16-15

To recap: the Cubs have beaten the drivel out of the seven most pathetic teams this season … and have had 25 games to do so. The Cardinals have also roughed up the gang of the worst seven … but have had 10 fewer games than the Cubs against the weak-link teams.

But when the Cubs and Cardinals match up against opponents that rank among the top 11 in winning percentage through June 24, it looks like this: St. Louis, .516 winning percentage. Chicago: .414 winning pct.

Thanks for reading …

–Bernie

icon wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 10:16 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:47 am This is some very interesting info from Bernie, should make Cardinal fans feel a lot better about where we stand vs the Scrubs.

Note:
This article was written two days ago, before the Cards lost two to the scrubs so adjust some numbers

CUBS: OVERRATED?

Through Tuesday night only 2 and ½ games separated Chicago and St. Louis in the standings. That reflects well on the Cardinals because the Cubs have played a much easier schedule.

I looked at each team’s record against the MLB teams that are in the bottom seven in overall winning percentage.

Those stinky teams are the Rockies, White Sox, A’s, Pirates, Marlins, Nationals and Orioles. Through Tuesday, that group of seven were collectively 143 games under .500. The Orioles were nine games under .500. The other six ranged from 13 games under .500 to 43 games under .500.

The Cubs have had a lot of games, 25, against the seven weakest teams in the majors. And it’s no surprise to see the Cubs with a 15-5 record against the bottom seven. The .800 winning percentage in those games looks good for the Cubs. The good teams are supposed to beat up the bad teams.

But here’s the thing. The Cardinals have the same .800 winning percentage against the seven worst teams in MLB. But unlike the Cubs, who stacked victories in 25 games against the losingest teams, the Cardinals have played only 15 games against the sorriest assortment of teams in the majors. And the Cardinals have done very well against them, going 12-3.

The point: considering that St. Louis has played 10 fewer games than the Cubs in the matchups against the most hapless teams, the Cardinals have done a (drat) good job to be only 2 and ½ games in back of the Cubs.

OK, but what about the records against opponents that currently rank in the top 10 in MLB for winning percentage? Actually, it’s the top 11 because the Cardinals and Brewers are tied for 10th with a .550 winning percentage.

Here’s what I learned about the Cubs and the Cardinals when they’ve gone up against the teams that have a top 11 winning percentage so far in 2025.

Cubs: 12-17

Cardinals: 16-15

To recap: the Cubs have beaten the drivel out of the seven most pathetic teams this season … and have had 25 games to do so. The Cardinals have also roughed up the gang of the worst seven … but have had 10 fewer games than the Cubs against the weak-link teams.

But when the Cubs and Cardinals match up against opponents that rank among the top 11 in winning percentage through June 24, it looks like this: St. Louis, .516 winning percentage. Chicago: .414 winning pct.

Thanks for reading …

–Bernie

So Bernie says the Cubs have played 25 games against the 7 weakest teams and are 15-5 in those games? The numbers don't add up.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:59 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:47 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:43 am They have also lost two starting pitchers to injury and against the "good " teams that's going to matter.

Cardinals haven't had to deal with that thank goodness.

We haven’t lost any pitchers yet, but we have lost arguably our best hitter twice to the IL now. As well as Winn, Gorman, and Walker to other IL stints at various points.

Cubs offense has been quite healthy, they have 6 players with at least 75 games played and another with 72. And they make an everyday impact versus pitchers that make every 5th day impact.

I’d say overall both teams aren’t exactly hurting in the injury category for the season.

You can't be serious.

Assad and Imanga with long stints on the IL and Steele out for the season.

That's a ton more of an affect than anything Walker and Gorman have done. Winn's abscence nothing compared to those three. IH is the only one that has mattered.

If we were without three starting pitchers for that amount of time we'd be 10-games under .500.

icon wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 10:16 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:47 am This is some very interesting info from Bernie, should make Cardinal fans feel a lot better about where we stand vs the Scrubs.

Note:
This article was written two days ago, before the Cards lost two to the scrubs so adjust some numbers

CUBS: OVERRATED?

Through Tuesday night only 2 and ½ games separated Chicago and St. Louis in the standings. That reflects well on the Cardinals because the Cubs have played a much easier schedule.

I looked at each team’s record against the MLB teams that are in the bottom seven in overall winning percentage.

Those stinky teams are the Rockies, White Sox, A’s, Pirates, Marlins, Nationals and Orioles. Through Tuesday, that group of seven were collectively 143 games under .500. The Orioles were nine games under .500. The other six ranged from 13 games under .500 to 43 games under .500.

The Cubs have had a lot of games, 25, against the seven weakest teams in the majors. And it’s no surprise to see the Cubs with a 15-5 record against the bottom seven. The .800 winning percentage in those games looks good for the Cubs. The good teams are supposed to beat up the bad teams.

But here’s the thing. The Cardinals have the same .800 winning percentage against the seven worst teams in MLB. But unlike the Cubs, who stacked victories in 25 games against the losingest teams, the Cardinals have played only 15 games against the sorriest assortment of teams in the majors. And the Cardinals have done very well against them, going 12-3.

The point: considering that St. Louis has played 10 fewer games than the Cubs in the matchups against the most hapless teams, the Cardinals have done a (drat) good job to be only 2 and ½ games in back of the Cubs.

OK, but what about the records against opponents that currently rank in the top 10 in MLB for winning percentage? Actually, it’s the top 11 because the Cardinals and Brewers are tied for 10th with a .550 winning percentage.

Here’s what I learned about the Cubs and the Cardinals when they’ve gone up against the teams that have a top 11 winning percentage so far in 2025.

Cubs: 12-17

Cardinals: 16-15

To recap: the Cubs have beaten the drivel out of the seven most pathetic teams this season … and have had 25 games to do so. The Cardinals have also roughed up the gang of the worst seven … but have had 10 fewer games than the Cubs against the weak-link teams.

But when the Cubs and Cardinals match up against opponents that rank among the top 11 in winning percentage through June 24, it looks like this: St. Louis, .516 winning percentage. Chicago: .414 winning pct.

Thanks for reading …

–Bernie

So Bernie says the Cubs have played 25 games against the 7 weakest teams and are 15-5 in those games? The numbers don't add up.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 10:14 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 10:06 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:59 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:47 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:43 am They have also lost two starting pitchers to injury and against the "good " teams that's going to matter.

Cardinals haven't had to deal with that thank goodness.

We haven’t lost any pitchers yet, but we have lost arguably our best hitter twice to the IL now. As well as Winn, Gorman, and Walker to other IL stints at various points.

Cubs offense has been quite healthy, they have 6 players with at least 75 games played and another with 72. And they make an everyday impact versus pitchers that make every 5th day impact.

I’d say overall both teams aren’t exactly hurting in the injury category for the season.

Its not like the Cardinals lost Arenado, Donovan and Contreras.

The loss of those starters at some point, if not now than later in the season when the BP usage starts to pile up.

It has a trickle down effect.

You can't be serious.

Assad and Imanga with long stints on the IL and Steele out for the season.

That's a ton more of an affect than anything Walker and Gorman have done. Winn's abscence nothing compared to those three. IH is the only one that has mattered.

Assad is like the Cubs version of Dakota Hudson. Solid ERA, but his peripherals suck.

Imanaga was a loss, but he missed what 6 starts? And most came when their schedule was easy.

Steele was the bigger loss obviously.

But again their position players have been virtually untouched. And those make every day impacts if they are lost.

Its not like the Cardinals lost Arenado, Donovan and Contreras.

The loss of those starters at some point, if not now than later in the season when the BP usage starts to pile up.

It has a trickle down effect.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 10:20 am

icon wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 10:16 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:47 am This is some very interesting info from Bernie, should make Cardinal fans feel a lot better about where we stand vs the Scrubs.

Note:
This article was written two days ago, before the Cards lost two to the scrubs so adjust some numbers

CUBS: OVERRATED?

Through Tuesday night only 2 and ½ games separated Chicago and St. Louis in the standings. That reflects well on the Cardinals because the Cubs have played a much easier schedule.

I looked at each team’s record against the MLB teams that are in the bottom seven in overall winning percentage.

Those stinky teams are the Rockies, White Sox, A’s, Pirates, Marlins, Nationals and Orioles. Through Tuesday, that group of seven were collectively 143 games under .500. The Orioles were nine games under .500. The other six ranged from 13 games under .500 to 43 games under .500.

The Cubs have had a lot of games, 25, against the seven weakest teams in the majors. And it’s no surprise to see the Cubs with a 15-5 record against the bottom seven. The .800 winning percentage in those games looks good for the Cubs. The good teams are supposed to beat up the bad teams.

But here’s the thing. The Cardinals have the same .800 winning percentage against the seven worst teams in MLB. But unlike the Cubs, who stacked victories in 25 games against the losingest teams, the Cardinals have played only 15 games against the sorriest assortment of teams in the majors. And the Cardinals have done very well against them, going 12-3.

The point: considering that St. Louis has played 10 fewer games than the Cubs in the matchups against the most hapless teams, the Cardinals have done a (drat) good job to be only 2 and ½ games in back of the Cubs.

OK, but what about the records against opponents that currently rank in the top 10 in MLB for winning percentage? Actually, it’s the top 11 because the Cardinals and Brewers are tied for 10th with a .550 winning percentage.

Here’s what I learned about the Cubs and the Cardinals when they’ve gone up against the teams that have a top 11 winning percentage so far in 2025.

Cubs: 12-17

Cardinals: 16-15

To recap: the Cubs have beaten the drivel out of the seven most pathetic teams this season … and have had 25 games to do so. The Cardinals have also roughed up the gang of the worst seven … but have had 10 fewer games than the Cubs against the weak-link teams.

But when the Cubs and Cardinals match up against opponents that rank among the top 11 in winning percentage through June 24, it looks like this: St. Louis, .516 winning percentage. Chicago: .414 winning pct.

Thanks for reading …

–Bernie

So Bernie says the Cubs have played 25 games against the 7 weakest teams and are 15-5 in those games? The numbers don't add up.

Yea, they are actually 20-5.

3-0 vs Athletics
0-0 vs Baltimore
3-0 vs CWS
3-0 vs Colorado
4-2 vs Miami
5-2 vs Pitt
2-1 vs Washington

Cards are
0-0 vs Athletics
2-1 vs Baltimore
3-0 vs CWS
0-0 vs Colorado
0-0 vs Miami
4-2 vs Pitt
3-0 vs Washington

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 10:16 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:43 am They have also lost two starting pitchers to injury and against the "good " teams that's going to matter.

Cardinals haven't had to deal with that thank goodness.

And the Cardinals have lost I. Hererra, their best hitter.

Injuries happen to all teams 11WSC.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 14:10 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 10:16 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:43 am They have also lost two starting pitchers to injury and against the "good " teams that's going to matter.

Cardinals haven't had to deal with that thank goodness.

And the Cardinals have lost I. Hererra, their best hitter.

Injuries happen to all teams 11WSC.

I guarantee you if we had loss that many starters in the rotation we'd be a lot worse off.