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CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:43 am Pallante is an above average pitcher because of his ground ball rate. Unfortunately this is also extremely reliant on batted ball luck. Fedde is a slightly better version of Mikolas, but neither are top tier pitchers, so that's a minus overall. Gray is a star but for whatever reason, he's streaky and I recall he was the same way with other teams. He's as close to a number 1 or 2 as the Cards have. Overall, the Cards pitching just isn't good enough to win. They certainly can't make up for the teams droughts at the plate. Donovan, Contreras, Winn, Arenado are good enough to win. Pozo and Pages are an okay combo behind the plate. Herrera, can't seem to stay healthy enough to be a force, though when he did play he showed signs of being above average. But the Cards have had players aplenty that couldn't stay on the field. All in all, they could squeak into a wild card game if they have a decent streak. Certainly they will be decided underdogs if they make the playoffs. There young players need to improve and they absolutely have to do something about upgrading their starting pitching. Will the brass do it? Highly doubtful. They still claim attendance is 30,000 when we all have eyes and see the empty seats.

Cranny wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:49 am

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:43 am Pallante is an above average pitcher because of his ground ball rate. Unfortunately this is also extremely reliant on batted ball luck. Fedde is a slightly better version of Mikolas, but neither are top tier pitchers, so that's a minus overall. Gray is a star but for whatever reason, he's streaky and I recall he was the same way with other teams. He's as close to a number 1 or 2 as the Cards have. Overall, the Cards pitching just isn't good enough to win. They certainly can't make up for the teams droughts at the plate. Donovan, Contreras, Winn, Arenado are good enough to win. Pozo and Pages are an okay combo behind the plate. Herrera, can't seem to stay healthy enough to be a force, though when he did play he showed signs of being above average. But the Cards have had players aplenty that couldn't stay on the field. All in all, they could squeak into a wild card game if they have a decent streak. Certainly they will be decided underdogs if they make the playoffs. There young players need to improve and they absolutely have to do something about upgrading their starting pitching. Will the brass do it? Highly doubtful. They still claim attendance is 30,000 when we all have eyes and see the empty seats.

Seems like Gray, Pallante, Liberatore, McGreevy, and Roby would make a pretty decent staff in 2026.

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:49 am

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:43 am Pallante is an above average pitcher because of his ground ball rate. Unfortunately this is also extremely reliant on batted ball luck. Fedde is a slightly better version of Mikolas, but neither are top tier pitchers, so that's a minus overall. Gray is a star but for whatever reason, he's streaky and I recall he was the same way with other teams. He's as close to a number 1 or 2 as the Cards have. Overall, the Cards pitching just isn't good enough to win. They certainly can't make up for the teams droughts at the plate. Donovan, Contreras, Winn, Arenado are good enough to win. Pozo and Pages are an okay combo behind the plate. Herrera, can't seem to stay healthy enough to be a force, though when he did play he showed signs of being above average. But the Cards have had players aplenty that couldn't stay on the field. All in all, they could squeak into a wild card game if they have a decent streak. Certainly they will be decided underdogs if they make the playoffs. There young players need to improve and they absolutely have to do something about upgrading their starting pitching. Will the brass do it? Highly doubtful. They still claim attendance is 30,000 when we all have eyes and see the empty seats.

Seems like Gray, Pallante, Liberatore, McGreevy, and Roby would make a pretty decent staff in 2026.

Pallante is always going to be the same. He is what he is, a ground ball pitcher dependent on defense and batted ball luck. He just doesn't miss many bats. Libby looks like he might be ready to step up so that's encouraging. I fear that Gray is declining but he can still throw the occasional gem and he does miss bats until he hangs one. McGreevy and Roby are unproven and to this point that's too much uncertainty along with the very real likely injuries that will happen. Fedde and Mikolas aren't top tier and redundant. One is okay, two is too much. I'm a big fan of strikeout pitchers and sadly the Cards don't have many. Strikeouts are the best possible outcome for a pitcher and the worst for the batter. We need more strikeouts. Way more.

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:43 am Pallante is an above average pitcher because of his ground ball rate. Unfortunately this is also extremely reliant on batted ball luck. Fedde is a slightly better version of Mikolas, but neither are top tier pitchers, so that's a minus overall. Gray is a star but for whatever reason, he's streaky and I recall he was the same way with other teams. He's as close to a number 1 or 2 as the Cards have. Overall, the Cards pitching just isn't good enough to win. They certainly can't make up for the teams droughts at the plate. Donovan, Contreras, Winn, Arenado are good enough to win. Pozo and Pages are an okay combo behind the plate. Herrera, can't seem to stay healthy enough to be a force, though when he did play he showed signs of being above average. But the Cards have had players aplenty that couldn't stay on the field. All in all, they could squeak into a wild card game if they have a decent streak. Certainly they will be decided underdogs if they make the playoffs. There young players need to improve and they absolutely have to do something about upgrading their starting pitching. Will the brass do it? Highly doubtful. They still claim attendance is 30,000 when we all have eyes and see the empty seats.

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:49 am

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:43 am Pallante is an above average pitcher because of his ground ball rate. Unfortunately this is also extremely reliant on batted ball luck. Fedde is a slightly better version of Mikolas, but neither are top tier pitchers, so that's a minus overall. Gray is a star but for whatever reason, he's streaky and I recall he was the same way with other teams. He's as close to a number 1 or 2 as the Cards have. Overall, the Cards pitching just isn't good enough to win. They certainly can't make up for the teams droughts at the plate. Donovan, Contreras, Winn, Arenado are good enough to win. Pozo and Pages are an okay combo behind the plate. Herrera, can't seem to stay healthy enough to be a force, though when he did play he showed signs of being above average. But the Cards have had players aplenty that couldn't stay on the field. All in all, they could squeak into a wild card game if they have a decent streak. Certainly they will be decided underdogs if they make the playoffs. There young players need to improve and they absolutely have to do something about upgrading their starting pitching. Will the brass do it? Highly doubtful. They still claim attendance is 30,000 when we all have eyes and see the empty seats.

Seems like Gray, Pallante, Liberatore, McGreevy, and Roby would make a pretty decent staff in 2026.

Pallante is always going to be the same. He is what he is, a ground ball pitcher dependent on defense and batted ball luck. He just doesn't miss many bats. Libby looks like he might be ready to step up so that's encouraging. I fear that Gray is declining but he can still throw the occasional gem and he does miss bats until he hangs one. McGreevy and Roby are unproven and to this point that's too much uncertainty along with the very real likely injuries that will happen. Fedde and Mikolas aren't top tier and redundant. One is okay, two is too much. I'm a big fan of strikeout pitchers and sadly the Cards don't have many. Strikeouts are the best possible outcome for a pitcher and the worst for the batter. We need more strikeouts. Way more.

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:43 am Pallante is an above average pitcher because of his ground ball rate. Unfortunately this is also extremely reliant on batted ball luck. Fedde is a slightly better version of Mikolas, but neither are top tier pitchers, so that's a minus overall. Gray is a star but for whatever reason, he's streaky and I recall he was the same way with other teams. He's as close to a number 1 or 2 as the Cards have. Overall, the Cards pitching just isn't good enough to win. They certainly can't make up for the teams droughts at the plate. Donovan, Contreras, Winn, Arenado are good enough to win. Pozo and Pages are an okay combo behind the plate. Herrera, can't seem to stay healthy enough to be a force, though when he did play he showed signs of being above average. But the Cards have had players aplenty that couldn't stay on the field. All in all, they could squeak into a wild card game if they have a decent streak. Certainly they will be decided underdogs if they make the playoffs. There young players need to improve and they absolutely have to do something about upgrading their starting pitching. Will the brass do it? Highly doubtful. They still claim attendance is 30,000 when we all have eyes and see the empty seats.

Shady wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 10:50 am

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:43 am Pallante is an above average pitcher because of his ground ball rate. Unfortunately this is also extremely reliant on batted ball luck. Fedde is a slightly better version of Mikolas, but neither are top tier pitchers, so that's a minus overall. Gray is a star but for whatever reason, he's streaky and I recall he was the same way with other teams. He's as close to a number 1 or 2 as the Cards have. Overall, the Cards pitching just isn't good enough to win. They certainly can't make up for the teams droughts at the plate. Donovan, Contreras, Winn, Arenado are good enough to win. Pozo and Pages are an okay combo behind the plate. Herrera, can't seem to stay healthy enough to be a force, though when he did play he showed signs of being above average. But the Cards have had players aplenty that couldn't stay on the field. All in all, they could squeak into a wild card game if they have a decent streak. Certainly they will be decided underdogs if they make the playoffs. There young players need to improve and they absolutely have to do something about upgrading their starting pitching. Will the brass do it? Highly doubtful. They still claim attendance is 30,000 when we all have eyes and see the empty seats.

"Donovan, Contreras, Winn, Arenado are good enough to win". What about Burleson? Currently, he is, arguably, the best hitter in the lineup.

dugoutrex wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 11:51 am

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:43 am Pallante is an above average pitcher because of his ground ball rate. Unfortunately this is also extremely reliant on batted ball luck. Fedde is a slightly better version of Mikolas, but neither are top tier pitchers, so that's a minus overall. Gray is a star but for whatever reason, he's streaky and I recall he was the same way with other teams. He's as close to a number 1 or 2 as the Cards have. Overall, the Cards pitching just isn't good enough to win. They certainly can't make up for the teams droughts at the plate. Donovan, Contreras, Winn, Arenado are good enough to win. Pozo and Pages are an okay combo behind the plate. Herrera, can't seem to stay healthy enough to be a force, though when he did play he showed signs of being above average. But the Cards have had players aplenty that couldn't stay on the field. All in all, they could squeak into a wild card game if they have a decent streak. Certainly they will be decided underdogs if they make the playoffs. There young players need to improve and they absolutely have to do something about upgrading their starting pitching. Will the brass do it? Highly doubtful. They still claim attendance is 30,000 when we all have eyes and see the empty seats.

lol - ALL mlb teams count attendance the exact same way - you prolly think gas is below $2 don't ya ?

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 11:06 am

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:49 am

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:43 am Pallante is an above average pitcher because of his ground ball rate. Unfortunately this is also extremely reliant on batted ball luck. Fedde is a slightly better version of Mikolas, but neither are top tier pitchers, so that's a minus overall. Gray is a star but for whatever reason, he's streaky and I recall he was the same way with other teams. He's as close to a number 1 or 2 as the Cards have. Overall, the Cards pitching just isn't good enough to win. They certainly can't make up for the teams droughts at the plate. Donovan, Contreras, Winn, Arenado are good enough to win. Pozo and Pages are an okay combo behind the plate. Herrera, can't seem to stay healthy enough to be a force, though when he did play he showed signs of being above average. But the Cards have had players aplenty that couldn't stay on the field. All in all, they could squeak into a wild card game if they have a decent streak. Certainly they will be decided underdogs if they make the playoffs. There young players need to improve and they absolutely have to do something about upgrading their starting pitching. Will the brass do it? Highly doubtful. They still claim attendance is 30,000 when we all have eyes and see the empty seats.

Seems like Gray, Pallante, Liberatore, McGreevy, and Roby would make a pretty decent staff in 2026.

Pallante is always going to be the same. He is what he is, a ground ball pitcher dependent on defense and batted ball luck. He just doesn't miss many bats. Libby looks like he might be ready to step up so that's encouraging. I fear that Gray is declining but he can still throw the occasional gem and he does miss bats until he hangs one. McGreevy and Roby are unproven and to this point that's too much uncertainty along with the very real likely injuries that will happen. Fedde and Mikolas aren't top tier and redundant. One is okay, two is too much. I'm a big fan of strikeout pitchers and sadly the Cards don't have many. Strikeouts are the best possible outcome for a pitcher and the worst for the batter. We need more strikeouts. Way more.

Roby has the potential to be a K guy.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 11:06 am

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:49 am

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:43 am Pallante is an above average pitcher because of his ground ball rate. Unfortunately this is also extremely reliant on batted ball luck. Fedde is a slightly better version of Mikolas, but neither are top tier pitchers, so that's a minus overall. Gray is a star but for whatever reason, he's streaky and I recall he was the same way with other teams. He's as close to a number 1 or 2 as the Cards have. Overall, the Cards pitching just isn't good enough to win. They certainly can't make up for the teams droughts at the plate. Donovan, Contreras, Winn, Arenado are good enough to win. Pozo and Pages are an okay combo behind the plate. Herrera, can't seem to stay healthy enough to be a force, though when he did play he showed signs of being above average. But the Cards have had players aplenty that couldn't stay on the field. All in all, they could squeak into a wild card game if they have a decent streak. Certainly they will be decided underdogs if they make the playoffs. There young players need to improve and they absolutely have to do something about upgrading their starting pitching. Will the brass do it? Highly doubtful. They still claim attendance is 30,000 when we all have eyes and see the empty seats.

Seems like Gray, Pallante, Liberatore, McGreevy, and Roby would make a pretty decent staff in 2026.

Pallante is always going to be the same. He is what he is, a ground ball pitcher dependent on defense and batted ball luck. He just doesn't miss many bats. Libby looks like he might be ready to step up so that's encouraging. I fear that Gray is declining but he can still throw the occasional gem and he does miss bats until he hangs one. McGreevy and Roby are unproven and to this point that's too much uncertainty along with the very real likely injuries that will happen. Fedde and Mikolas aren't top tier and redundant. One is okay, two is too much. I'm a big fan of strikeout pitchers and sadly the Cards don't have many. Strikeouts are the best possible outcome for a pitcher and the worst for the batter. We need more strikeouts. Way more.

Roby has the potential to be a K guy.

Shady wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 10:50 am

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:43 am Pallante is an above average pitcher because of his ground ball rate. Unfortunately this is also extremely reliant on batted ball luck. Fedde is a slightly better version of Mikolas, but neither are top tier pitchers, so that's a minus overall. Gray is a star but for whatever reason, he's streaky and I recall he was the same way with other teams. He's as close to a number 1 or 2 as the Cards have. Overall, the Cards pitching just isn't good enough to win. They certainly can't make up for the teams droughts at the plate. Donovan, Contreras, Winn, Arenado are good enough to win. Pozo and Pages are an okay combo behind the plate. Herrera, can't seem to stay healthy enough to be a force, though when he did play he showed signs of being above average. But the Cards have had players aplenty that couldn't stay on the field. All in all, they could squeak into a wild card game if they have a decent streak. Certainly they will be decided underdogs if they make the playoffs. There young players need to improve and they absolutely have to do something about upgrading their starting pitching. Will the brass do it? Highly doubtful. They still claim attendance is 30,000 when we all have eyes and see the empty seats.

"Donovan, Contreras, Winn, Arenado are good enough to win". What about Burleson? Currently, he is, arguably, the best hitter in the lineup.

Charles King wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 10:40 am

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:49 am

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:43 am Pallante is an above average pitcher because of his ground ball rate. Unfortunately this is also extremely reliant on batted ball luck. Fedde is a slightly better version of Mikolas, but neither are top tier pitchers, so that's a minus overall. Gray is a star but for whatever reason, he's streaky and I recall he was the same way with other teams. He's as close to a number 1 or 2 as the Cards have. Overall, the Cards pitching just isn't good enough to win. They certainly can't make up for the teams droughts at the plate. Donovan, Contreras, Winn, Arenado are good enough to win. Pozo and Pages are an okay combo behind the plate. Herrera, can't seem to stay healthy enough to be a force, though when he did play he showed signs of being above average. But the Cards have had players aplenty that couldn't stay on the field. All in all, they could squeak into a wild card game if they have a decent streak. Certainly they will be decided underdogs if they make the playoffs. There young players need to improve and they absolutely have to do something about upgrading their starting pitching. Will the brass do it? Highly doubtful. They still claim attendance is 30,000 when we all have eyes and see the empty seats.

Seems like Gray, Pallante, Liberatore, McGreevy, and Roby would make a pretty decent staff in 2026.

Pallante is always going to be the same. He is what he is, a ground ball pitcher dependent on defense and batted ball luck. He just doesn't miss many bats. Libby looks like he might be ready to step up so that's encouraging. I fear that Gray is declining but he can still throw the occasional gem and he does miss bats until he hangs one. McGreevy and Roby are unproven and to this point that's too much uncertainty along with the very real likely injuries that will happen. Fedde and Mikolas aren't top tier and redundant. One is okay, two is too much. I'm a big fan of strikeout pitchers and sadly the Cards don't have many. Strikeouts are the best possible outcome for a pitcher and the worst for the batter. We need more strikeouts. Way more.

I used to disagree about strikeouts
But lately the light hit balls find a whole. Soft contrack don't always mean an out

Cranny wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:49 am

CCard wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 08:43 am Pallante is an above average pitcher because of his ground ball rate. Unfortunately this is also extremely reliant on batted ball luck. Fedde is a slightly better version of Mikolas, but neither are top tier pitchers, so that's a minus overall. Gray is a star but for whatever reason, he's streaky and I recall he was the same way with other teams. He's as close to a number 1 or 2 as the Cards have. Overall, the Cards pitching just isn't good enough to win. They certainly can't make up for the teams droughts at the plate. Donovan, Contreras, Winn, Arenado are good enough to win. Pozo and Pages are an okay combo behind the plate. Herrera, can't seem to stay healthy enough to be a force, though when he did play he showed signs of being above average. But the Cards have had players aplenty that couldn't stay on the field. All in all, they could squeak into a wild card game if they have a decent streak. Certainly they will be decided underdogs if they make the playoffs. There young players need to improve and they absolutely have to do something about upgrading their starting pitching. Will the brass do it? Highly doubtful. They still claim attendance is 30,000 when we all have eyes and see the empty seats.

Seems like Gray, Pallante, Liberatore, McGreevy, and Roby would make a pretty decent staff in 2026.