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Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 03:15 am
by Honky Tonk Man
I will tell you where, they are down the end of a lonely street at Heartbreak Hotel

Re: Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 06:55 am
by Talkin' Baseball
Honky Tonk Man wrote: 22 Jun 2025 03:15 am I will tell you where, they are down the end of a lonely street at Heartbreak Hotel
He's on a great run. Sell high.

Re: Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 07:14 am
by Honky Tonk Man
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 22 Jun 2025 06:55 am
Honky Tonk Man wrote: 22 Jun 2025 03:15 am I will tell you where, they are down the end of a lonely street at Heartbreak Hotel
He's on a great run. Sell high.
Yes he is and you may be right about the sell high. It would be highly unlikely for Mo to do something like that.

Re: Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 07:25 am
by Cranny
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 22 Jun 2025 06:55 am
Honky Tonk Man wrote: 22 Jun 2025 03:15 am I will tell you where, they are down the end of a lonely street at Heartbreak Hotel
He's on a great run. Sell high.
It’s funny that as soon as a Cardinal does well, who has been drafted by the Cardinals and developed in the system, some posters want to trade him. Defeats the whole purpose of developing from within.

Re: Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 07:38 am
by 3dender
I'm still here and waiting until the end of the season to adjust my priors, if necessary.

I certainly have a long enough attention span to not seriously alter my analysis during the unprecedented hottest power surge of his career.

And yes, I still believe trading him is three clear smartest move right now. He's on pace for 2.5 WAR this year but there are teams that may get fooled into valuing him like a 3-4 WAR guy.

Re: Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 07:44 am
by Cranny
3dender wrote: 22 Jun 2025 07:38 am I'm still here and waiting until the end of the season to adjust my priors, if necessary.

I certainly have a long enough attention span to not seriously alter my analysis during the unprecedented hottest power surge of his career.

And yes, I still believe trading him is three clear smartest move right now. He's on pace for 2.5 WAR this year but there are teams that may get fooled into valuing him like a 3-4 WAR guy.
We develop a good hitter and then trade him. LOL.

Re: Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 07:51 am
by 3dender
Cranny wrote: 22 Jun 2025 07:44 am
3dender wrote: 22 Jun 2025 07:38 am I'm still here and waiting until the end of the season to adjust my priors, if necessary.

I certainly have a long enough attention span to not seriously alter my analysis during the unprecedented hottest power surge of his career.

And yes, I still believe trading him is three clear smartest move right now. He's on pace for 2.5 WAR this year but there are teams that may get fooled into valuing him like a 3-4 WAR guy.
We develop a good hitter and then trade him. LOL.
Yeah, when your asset is more valuable to another org than to your own, that is generally a great time to sell it.

Re: Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 07:52 am
by reson8
I'll wait til September to make a call. He was hot for 2+ months last year too. The more he hit the more bad balls he swung at, then went cold in the second half because he couldn't dial it back to some sz discipline. Would love to see him keep it up naturally.

Re: Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 07:52 am
by Barking Lion
Good hitter, mediocre glove. Like his spirit and effort. Whether I would keep him all depends on what is offered back in a trade or the price of a contract. If you can keep him for under $8M, he fits on the team. If you are offered a young player with high ceiling or a 1-2 round draft pick you trade him.

Burly is a nice complimentary piece for a set team, but not a franchise builder. In the OF, he blocks a potential big bat. Same at 1b. He just isn't what the Cards need to build around.

Re: Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 07:53 am
by Talkin' Baseball
Cranny wrote: 22 Jun 2025 07:25 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 22 Jun 2025 06:55 am
Honky Tonk Man wrote: 22 Jun 2025 03:15 am I will tell you where, they are down the end of a lonely street at Heartbreak Hotel
He's on a great run. Sell high.
It’s funny that as soon as a Cardinal does well, who has been drafted by the Cardinals and developed in the system, some posters want to trade him. Defeats the whole purpose of developing from within.
To be fair, I would have been willing to trade Burleson at any time in his tenure here. He is doing well currently and that makes his worth more. For someone willing to trade him, that seems like a great time.

Re: Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 07:55 am
by Cranny
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 22 Jun 2025 07:53 am
Cranny wrote: 22 Jun 2025 07:25 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 22 Jun 2025 06:55 am
Honky Tonk Man wrote: 22 Jun 2025 03:15 am I will tell you where, they are down the end of a lonely street at Heartbreak Hotel
He's on a great run. Sell high.
It’s funny that as soon as a Cardinal does well, who has been drafted by the Cardinals and developed in the system, some posters want to trade him. Defeats the whole purpose of developing from within.
To be fair, I would have been willing to trade Burleson at any time in his tenure here. He is doing well currently and that makes his worth more. For someone willing to trade him, that seems like a great time.
Right now he’s the best bat in the lineup. And you want to trade him? Makes no sense.

Re: Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 08:06 am
by 3dender
Cranny wrote: 22 Jun 2025 07:55 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 22 Jun 2025 07:53 am
Cranny wrote: 22 Jun 2025 07:25 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 22 Jun 2025 06:55 am
Honky Tonk Man wrote: 22 Jun 2025 03:15 am I will tell you where, they are down the end of a lonely street at Heartbreak Hotel
He's on a great run. Sell high.
It’s funny that as soon as a Cardinal does well, who has been drafted by the Cardinals and developed in the system, some posters want to trade him. Defeats the whole purpose of developing from within.
To be fair, I would have been willing to trade Burleson at any time in his tenure here. He is doing well currently and that makes his worth more. For someone willing to trade him, that seems like a great time.
Right now he’s the best bat in the lineup. And you want to trade him? Makes no sense.
The team, while playing at the top of its potential, is currently 3rd in the division and 4th in the WC race.

This is not the team you buy for at the deadline, and if you're not buying you should be selling, and Burleson is the best combination valuable/fungible trade chip they have.

Makes a lot of sense actually, once you look beyond the daily lineup.

Re: Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 08:16 am
by CCard
Honky Tonk Man wrote: 22 Jun 2025 03:15 am I will tell you where, they are down the end of a lonely street at Heartbreak Hotel
I looked up his stats and was surprised a bit. He actually has a decent average against lefty pitching. I've seen some awful at bats by him against lefty pitchers but I guess they just stand out against certain ones. He could be developing into a great hitter but he doesn't seem to walk much. If he hits good that doesn't matter as much anyway.

Re: Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 08:55 am
by rockondlouie
Super glad Burly is having a great stretch and no one "dislikes" him.

It's a certain poster who they have an issue with.

But we saw a similar production run in 2024 from Burly:

6/1-7/31
230 PA
13 HR
45 RBI
.281 .316 .505 .821

Only to see this from 8/1-seasons end
201 PA's
3 HR
15 RBI's
.243 .313 .326 .639

Was the big drop off just Burly regressing to his mean? Was it the wear and tear of the season? Was it a conditioning issue?

Who know?

It's a very small sample size (36 PA's) but the one thing we know is he's having success vs LHP (,324 .361 .529 .891), something he didn't have coming into 2025 (career including 2025: .228 .264 .330 .594 ).

If he's turned the corner vs LHP, then the Cardinals have something.

I've wonder if this happens, and J. Walker doesn't progress by seasons end, would they instead look to deal Walker and keep Burly as the FT right fielder (he's not as bad as many think but does possess a very weak arm).

Keep it up Bison/Bumbles (fans just having fun so don't get upset cranny :roll: ).

Re: Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 09:01 am
by scoutyjones2
Cranny wrote: 22 Jun 2025 07:55 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 22 Jun 2025 07:53 am
Cranny wrote: 22 Jun 2025 07:25 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 22 Jun 2025 06:55 am
Honky Tonk Man wrote: 22 Jun 2025 03:15 am I will tell you where, they are down the end of a lonely street at Heartbreak Hotel
He's on a great run. Sell high.
It’s funny that as soon as a Cardinal does well, who has been drafted by the Cardinals and developed in the system, some posters want to trade him. Defeats the whole purpose of developing from within.
To be fair, I would have been willing to trade Burleson at any time in his tenure here. He is doing well currently and that makes his worth more. For someone willing to trade him, that seems like a great time.
Right now he’s the best bat in the lineup. And you want to trade him? Makes no sense.
Um, consistency. Let's see how it plays out. We've seen him flourish before and then sink for just as long...see last year.

Re: Where are all of the Burleson doubter's now ?

Posted: 22 Jun 2025 09:02 am
by sikeston bulldog2
rockondlouie wrote: 22 Jun 2025 08:55 am Super glad Burly is having a great stretch and no one "dislikes" him.

It's a certain poster who they have an issue with.

But we saw a similar production run in 2024 from Burly:

6/1-7/31
230 PA
13 HR
45 RBI
.281 .316 .505 .821

Only to see this from 8/1-seasons end
201 PA's
3 HR
15 RBI's
.243 .313 .326 .639

Was the big drop off just Burly regressing to his mean? Was it the wear and tear of the season? Was it a conditioning issue?

Who know?

It's a very small sample size (36 PA's) but the one thing we know is he's having success vs LHP (,324 .361 .529 .891), something he didn't have coming into 2025 (career including 2025: .228 .264 .330 .594 ).

If he's turned the corner vs LHP, then the Cardinals have something.

I've wonder if this happens, and J. Walker doesn't progress by seasons end, would they instead look to deal Walker and keep Burly as the FT right fielder (he's not as bad as many think but does possess a very weak arm).

Keep it up Bison/Bumbles (fans just having fun so don't get upset cranny :roll: ).
No. But he’d make a very good left fielder with Tucker in right.