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Dazepster wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 19:03 pm
It started in 23. While his homer total was still respectable his Combined Homer/Double totals were well off his career pace and average.

Dazepster wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 19:03 pm If we are honest with ourselves:

Offensively he is assuredly in decline and long past his salad days.

It started in 23. While his homer total was still respectable his Combined Homer/Double totals were well off his career pace and average. And have continued to trend further downward.

33 years old with a lot of wear on him. Can still play a solid to really good 3B but the bat is nearing inadequacy for that position. Sure maybe you can get by, if had power sources elsewhere, yet the money sink is crippling in any event.

If I can see that, I am sure every other GM can see that.

Only way we move him is if we take on the bulk of his remaining salary commitments. And I don't see a Creme De La Creme prospect(s) coming back under any scenario.

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Not sure what I would do myself if the Cards. Play out the contract rather than eat the bulk while he enjoys himself elsewhere. Yeah, IDK. I make him wear a FredBird costume if I have to.

Ike Hammett wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 20:28 pm The reality of Nolan Arenado as a Cardinal is this fanbase is nuts. Arenado has been a good Cardinal. According to baseball reference he has a WAR of 17.8 with the club in 4+ seasons. If you take the standard of $7 to $10 million for 1 WAR as a free agent, along with including the Rockies picking up some of that tab and his pay going down the next 2 seasons he is okay being an average to slightly above league average hitter 100- 110 ops+ with an above average glove. Hopefully he can squeeze out another 6-7 WAR in his last 2+ years.

He is a good deal when you take into account he really made the team the true contender everyone wanted a few years back when he was putting up MVP caliber numbers. Sad how so many loons took that for granted and still whine about those teams "not trying" and the club being cheap. Nado is great, you all suck and spoiled.

imadangman wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 19:39 pm

Dazepster wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 19:03 pm
It started in 23. While his homer total was still respectable his Combined Homer/Double totals were well off his career pace and average.

The funny part of that, at the time of the trade deadline his OPS was closer to 2022 numbers. Then he tailed off hard.

Dazepster wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 19:03 pm If we are honest with ourselves:

Offensively he is assuredly in decline and long past his salad days.

It started in 23. While his homer total was still respectable his Combined Homer/Double totals were well off his career pace and average. And have continued to trend further downward.

33 years old with a lot of wear on him. Can still play a solid to really good 3B but the bat is nearing inadequacy for that position. Sure maybe you can get by, if had power sources elsewhere, yet the money sink is crippling in any event.

If I can see that, I am sure every other GM can see that.

Only way we move him is if we take on the bulk of his remaining salary commitments. And I don't see a Creme De La Creme prospect(s) coming back under any scenario.

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Not sure what I would do myself if the Cards. Play out the contract rather than eat the bulk while he enjoys himself elsewhere. Yeah, IDK. I make him wear a FredBird costume if I have to.

IndCard75 wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 20:21 pm Probably best case scenario the Yankees, because they are probably only team in contention that can afford to pay him what his contract is for that production, gets involved in trade talks with us.
We would probably have to give them Helsley Maton Fedde with Arenado to get Yankees to take him and the contract. Then hope Arenado accepts it.

Ike Hammett wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 20:28 pm The reality of Nolan Arenado as a Cardinal is this fanbase is nuts. Arenado has been a good Cardinal. According to baseball reference he has a WAR of 17.8 with the club in 4+ seasons. If you take the standard of $7 to $10 million for 1 WAR as a free agent, along with including the Rockies picking up some of that tab and his pay going down the next 2 seasons he is okay being an average to slightly above league average hitter 100- 110 ops+ with an above average glove. Hopefully he can squeeze out another 6-7 WAR in his last 2+ years.

He is a good deal when you take into account he really made the team the true contender everyone wanted a few years back when he was putting up MVP caliber numbers. Sad how so many loons took that for granted and still whine about those teams "not trying" and the club being cheap. Nado is great, you all suck and spoiled.

Ike Hammett wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 20:28 pm The reality of Nolan Arenado as a Cardinal is this fanbase is nuts. Arenado has been a good Cardinal. According to baseball reference he has a WAR of 17.8 with the club in 4+ seasons. If you take the standard of $7 to $10 million for 1 WAR as a free agent, along with including the Rockies picking up some of that tab and his pay going down the next 2 seasons he is okay being an average to slightly above league average hitter 100- 110 ops+ with an above average glove. Hopefully he can squeeze out another 6-7 WAR in his last 2+ years.

He is a good deal when you take into account he really made the team the true contender everyone wanted a few years back when he was putting up MVP caliber numbers. Sad how so many loons took that for granted and still whine about those teams "not trying" and the club being cheap. Nado is great, you all suck and spoiled.

IndCard75 wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 20:21 pm Probably best case scenario the Yankees, because they are probably only team in contention that can afford to pay him what his contract is for that production, gets involved in trade talks with us.
We would probably have to give them Helsley Maton Fedde with Arenado to get Yankees to take him and the contract. Then hope Arenado accepts it.

cardstatman wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 21:50 pm $146.6M in value delivered by Arenado so far. Still climbing.

Cards paid Arenado ~$159M for the whole acquired contract, more like ~$145M in value after discounting some long term deferrals he accepted.

I have no complaints about Arenado. He was a win now move for 2021-2024 as a pair with Goldschmidt. It is not shocking that he's fading in the last few years of his contract. I hope he bounces back a bit though; if he falls below average, it will hurt.

I think a few more days off could help. He's not young anymore.

With a surplus of infielders, I'd be happy to trade him now, but I kind of doubt it will happen.

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 05:18 am

Ike Hammett wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 20:28 pm The reality of Nolan Arenado as a Cardinal is this fanbase is nuts. Arenado has been a good Cardinal. According to baseball reference he has a WAR of 17.8 with the club in 4+ seasons. If you take the standard of $7 to $10 million for 1 WAR as a free agent, along with including the Rockies picking up some of that tab and his pay going down the next 2 seasons he is okay being an average to slightly above league average hitter 100- 110 ops+ with an above average glove. Hopefully he can squeeze out another 6-7 WAR in his last 2+ years.

He is a good deal when you take into account he really made the team the true contender everyone wanted a few years back when he was putting up MVP caliber numbers. Sad how so many loons took that for granted and still whine about those teams "not trying" and the club being cheap. Nado is great, you all suck and spoiled.

And it would have still been better for the Cardinals to have found a way to trade him and Goldschmidt for prospects back at the trading deadline in 2023 when they were on their way to limping to a 71-91 record.

2ninr wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 05:28 am

IndCard75 wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 20:21 pm Probably best case scenario the Yankees, because they are probably only team in contention that can afford to pay him what his contract is for that production, gets involved in trade talks with us.
We would probably have to give them Helsley Maton Fedde with Arenado to get Yankees to take him and the contract. Then hope Arenado accepts it.

In theory that's one way to move him-as a throw in. But you have to get something back in that scenario.