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There Has To Be Something In The Way Pitchers Are Managed

Posted: 16 Jun 2025 16:54 pm
by Talkin' Baseball
There has to be something in the way pitchers are managed. The Tampa Bay Rays have (5) pitchers that have each made all 14 starts. The Dodgers have 16 pitchers on the IL- 11 of them on the 60-day IL. There just can't be that big of a gap between lucky and unlucky.

Re: There Has To Be Something In The Way Pitchers Are Managed

Posted: 16 Jun 2025 16:57 pm
by Futuregm2
Well Mark Prior is the Dodgers pitching coach, so….

Re: There Has To Be Something In The Way Pitchers Are Managed

Posted: 16 Jun 2025 16:59 pm
by ilcubuffs
Pretty amazing that Pryor is NOT on this years IL.

Re: There Has To Be Something In The Way Pitchers Are Managed

Posted: 16 Jun 2025 17:06 pm
by cardsfaninla
It is certainly hard the quantify bad or good luck, but that is a staggering number of injured pitchers.

However, if there is any team that can buy their way out of a bad luck injury season it is those LAD. They will be ok. Their pitching is very strong and stacked at all levels.

The Rays continue to be quite the impressive franchise. What they do with such a small budget year after year is something else. My Ma is a Rays fan so I follow them with a side eye.

Re: There Has To Be Something In The Way Pitchers Are Managed

Posted: 16 Jun 2025 17:30 pm
by Wattage
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 16 Jun 2025 16:54 pm There has to be something in the way pitchers are managed. The Tampa Bay Rays have (5) pitchers that have each made all 14 starts. The Dodgers have 16 pitchers on the IL- 11 of them on the 60-day IL. There just can't be that big of a gap between lucky and unlucky.
The dodgers have infinite money so they arent scarednto give large contracts to injury prone pitchers or pitchers who have mechanics they realize can lead to injury cuz ifnthe pitcher gets injured, they will just buy a nsw one.

Tampa bay rays as a small market team, are more cautious with who they invest in because they cant afford to just buy another pitcher so they avoid pitchers with bad mechanics or who have questions on their physicals

Re: There Has To Be Something In The Way Pitchers Are Managed

Posted: 16 Jun 2025 17:32 pm
by Talkin' Baseball
The Cardinals seem like they have tried to some things differently with their pitchers this year and have stayed pretty healthy. Kudos.

Re: There Has To Be Something In The Way Pitchers Are Managed

Posted: 16 Jun 2025 17:33 pm
by Talkin' Baseball
cardsfaninla wrote: 16 Jun 2025 17:06 pm It is certainly hard the quantify bad or good luck, but that is a staggering number of injured pitchers.

However, if there is any team that can buy their way out of a bad luck injury season it is those LAD. They will be ok. Their pitching is very strong and stacked at all levels.

The Rays continue to be quite the impressive franchise. What they do with such a small budget year after year is something else. My Ma is a Rays fan so I follow them with a side eye.
The money is ok, but if I were a pitcher in search of a long and successful career, it would make me think twice.

Re: There Has To Be Something In The Way Pitchers Are Managed

Posted: 17 Jun 2025 08:28 am
by Talkin' Baseball
The Cardinals pitchers have also made all of their starts. I've wondered with the down-time Quinn Mathews and Tink Hence have had this year, if perhaps those weren't huge injuries, but a different and better way of managing their long-term health. This might not be true- but it's amazing what happens when people show competence- folks give them the benefit of the doubt about a lot of things.

Re: There Has To Be Something In The Way Pitchers Are Managed

Posted: 17 Jun 2025 08:48 am
by rockondlouie
The Cardinals starting four (Gary, Fedde, Mikolas and Pallante) have made all 14 of their assigned starts, Libby has made 13 of his w/the one skipped due to a tired arm.

That's 69 games started by the Cardinals five starters out of 72 games (Two spot starts for Matz and one for McGreevy).

That's nearly equal to the Rays who have four pitchers who've made 14 of their assigned starts and Pepiot 15 which includes last nights start.

They've had one spot start.

The only common denominator is C. Bloom *Rays have used his player development system for years) but not sure he's had anything to do w/our major league starters.

Re: There Has To Be Something In The Way Pitchers Are Managed

Posted: 17 Jun 2025 08:55 am
by Futuregm2
rockondlouie wrote: 17 Jun 2025 08:48 am The Cardinals starting four (Gary, Fedde, Mikolas and Pallante) have made all 14 of their assigned starts, Libby has made 13 of his w/the one skipped due to a tired arm.

That's 69 games started by the Cardinals five starters out of 72 games (Two spot starts for Matz and one for McGreevy).

That's nearly equal to the Rays who have four pitchers who've made 14 of their assigned starts and Pepiot 15 which includes last nights start.

They've had one spot start.

The only common denominator is C. Bloom *Rays have used his player development system for years) but not sure he's had anything to do w/our major league starters.
Libby never had a start skipped due to a tired arm, he joins the rest with his 14th start tonight.

Re: There Has To Be Something In The Way Pitchers Are Managed

Posted: 17 Jun 2025 09:52 am
by rockondlouie
Futuregm2 wrote: 17 Jun 2025 08:55 am
rockondlouie wrote: 17 Jun 2025 08:48 am The Cardinals starting four (Gary, Fedde, Mikolas and Pallante) have made all 14 of their assigned starts, Libby has made 13 of his w/the one skipped due to a tired arm.

That's 69 games started by the Cardinals five starters out of 72 games (Two spot starts for Matz and one for McGreevy).

That's nearly equal to the Rays who have four pitchers who've made 14 of their assigned starts and Pepiot 15 which includes last nights start.

They've had one spot start.

The only common denominator is C. Bloom *Rays have used his player development system for years) but not sure he's had anything to do w/our major league starters.
Libby never had a start skipped due to a tired arm, he joins the rest with his 14th start tonight.
My bad :oops:

Re: There Has To Be Something In The Way Pitchers Are Managed

Posted: 17 Jun 2025 10:08 am
by craviduce
The Dodger's knew what they were getting with their pitcher's....High Injury Risk/History.

We've been extremely lucky with Sonny Gray. Halfway through his contract and he's been nearly injury free (proper shut down at the end of the season. I'm glad he knows how to speak up about his issues, and that the Cards listen to him. It was a risk, but it seems to be paying off for now.

I only wish our offense would consistently back up their pitching.

Re: There Has To Be Something In The Way Pitchers Are Managed

Posted: 17 Jun 2025 10:10 am
by Talkin' Baseball
craviduce wrote: 17 Jun 2025 10:08 am The Dodger's knew what they were getting with their pitcher's....High Injury Risk/History.

We've been extremely lucky with Sonny Gray. Halfway through his contract and he's been nearly injury free (proper shut down at the end of the season. I'm glad he knows how to speak up about his issues, and that the Cards listen to him. It was a risk, but it seems to be paying off for now.

I only wish our offense would consistently back up their pitching.
I hear what you are saying, and it's certainly true with their signings, but most the pitchers on their IL are home grown.

Re: There Has To Be Something In The Way Pitchers Are Managed

Posted: 17 Jun 2025 10:12 am
by sikeston bulldog2
craviduce wrote: 17 Jun 2025 10:08 am The Dodger's knew what they were getting with their pitcher's....High Injury Risk/History.

We've been extremely lucky with Sonny Gray. Halfway through his contract and he's been nearly injury free (proper shut down at the end of the season. I'm glad he knows how to speak up about his issues, and that the Cards listen to him. It was a risk, but it seems to be paying off for now.

I only wish our offense would consistently back up their pitching.
Well reference our offense, the other team/ pitcher has a say. We have seen some good opposition pitchers. If we don’t wear down in the summer heat, as other teams do, we should have a fine reset year.

Re: There Has To Be Something In The Way Pitchers Are Managed

Posted: 17 Jun 2025 12:34 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 17 Jun 2025 10:10 am
craviduce wrote: 17 Jun 2025 10:08 am The Dodger's knew what they were getting with their pitcher's....High Injury Risk/History.

We've been extremely lucky with Sonny Gray. Halfway through his contract and he's been nearly injury free (proper shut down at the end of the season. I'm glad he knows how to speak up about his issues, and that the Cards listen to him. It was a risk, but it seems to be paying off for now.

I only wish our offense would consistently back up their pitching.
I hear what you are saying, and it's certainly true with their signings, but most the pitchers on their IL are home grown.
Their pitching lab seems to increase their spin rates and rate of IL trips