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Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 15 Jun 2025 19:35 pm
by hmoss859
Whatever analytic geek thought it was more advantageous to sit on a breaking ball with 2 strikes ought to be fired.
You always sit Dead Red and then Adjust to breaking balls.
Walker taking strike three down the middle is excusable B.S. baseball.
Re: Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 15 Jun 2025 20:19 pm
by DickyBennett
Cardinals do it more than any team in baseball
What a horrible hitting philosophy
Re: Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 15 Jun 2025 20:30 pm
by imetsatchelpaige
I just posted on this on a different thread.
Yeah that image of Walker frozen is going to haunt me for a while.
Re: Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 15 Jun 2025 20:38 pm
by Cusecards
Walker was caught “guessing”.
Common sense says you protect the plate.
In defense of Walker there a ton of hitters who “guess” at the plate all the time and are veterans which is worse.
Re: Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 15 Jun 2025 21:59 pm
by Colotiger
Cusecards wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 20:38 pm
Walker was caught “guessing”.
Common sense says you protect the plate.
In defense of Walker there a ton of hitters who “guess” at the plate all the time and are veterans which is worse.
Pete Rose said he always thought fastball because he could adjust to other pitches but was less likely to adjust to a fastball if he was looking for something else.
Re: Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 15 Jun 2025 22:08 pm
by hmoss859
I assume a major league hitter could adjust to the breaking ball after seeing 3 straight, but McGill grooved a heater to Walker, and he just stared at it.
Inexcusable for him to not sit dead red.
Re: Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 15 Jun 2025 22:37 pm
by Frontierman
It’s really easy to play armchair hitting coach but the guy has seen nothing but breaking balls with 2 strikes for the last 3 seasons and in that at bat he didn’t see a single fastball until the last pitch. Of course he was looking for the breaking ball.
Re: Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 15 Jun 2025 22:48 pm
by DickyBennett
You never concede a grooved fastball with 2 strikes
Never
Re: Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 16 Jun 2025 06:17 am
by Adam2
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 22:48 pm
You never concede a grooved fastball with 2 strikes
Never
It's not conceding, he was fooled and was frozen. happens. It's not like he struck out on purpose
Re: Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 16 Jun 2025 07:05 am
by scoutyjones2
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 20:19 pm
Cardinals do it more than any team in baseball
What a horrible hitting philosophy
You have proof of that?
Re: Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 16 Jun 2025 07:06 am
by scoutyjones2
Adam2 wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 06:17 am
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 22:48 pm
You never concede a grooved fastball with 2 strikes
Never
It's not conceding, he was fooled and was frozen. happens. It's not like he struck out on purpose
LoL. On CT they do think that
Re: Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 16 Jun 2025 07:29 am
by nighthawk
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 20:19 pm
Cardinals do it more than any team in baseball
What a horrible hitting philosophy
The Cards have taken a third strike looking 133 times this year which is 18th lowest tied with two other teams. Pittsburgh has the most called third strikes with 175 followed by the Angels with 173. The league average is 139
Re: Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 16 Jun 2025 07:46 am
by scoutyjones2
nighthawk wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 07:29 am
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 20:19 pm
Cardinals do it more than any team in baseball
What a horrible hitting philosophy
The Cards have taken a third strike looking 133 times this year which is 18th lowest tied with two other teams. Pittsburgh has the most called third strikes with 175 followed by the Angels with 173. The league average is 139
Nice! Providing facts! Thank you. Thread poster is a dumb[ash]
Re: Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 16 Jun 2025 07:50 am
by Adam2
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 07:06 am
Adam2 wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 06:17 am
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 22:48 pm
You never concede a grooved fastball with 2 strikes
Never
It's not conceding, he was fooled and was frozen. happens. It's not like he struck out on purpose
LoL. On CT they do think that
it's always people who haven't played at any decent level. when the guy is throwing 101 with an 82mph slider. You almost have to sit on one or the other. if you guess wrong you can't react to 101 while expecting 82. smh
Re: Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 16 Jun 2025 08:27 am
by hmoss859
I expect better effort and execution from Major League hitters.
Put the ball in play.
Re: Taking Fastballs down middle with 2 strikes
Posted: 16 Jun 2025 08:29 am
by Cranny
Adam2 wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 07:50 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 07:06 am
Adam2 wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 06:17 am
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 22:48 pm
You never concede a grooved fastball with 2 strikes
Never
It's not conceding, he was fooled and was frozen. happens. It's not like he struck out on purpose
LoL. On CT they do think that
it's always people who haven't played at any decent level. when the guy is throwing 101 with an 82mph slider. You almost have to sit on one or the other. if you guess wrong you can't react to 101 while expecting 82. smh
Swing at anything close, no matter what kind of pitch it is.