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Last 10 starts: .273/.359/.424

39 PA
9 for 33
0 2B
1 3B
1 HR
3 RBI
4 runs
5 BB-11 K

Chase rate- 23.6% (career low)
Zone Contact%- 86.8% (career high)
Contact%- 74.5% (career high)
Swinging Strike% - 11.5% (career low)
Opposite field%- 26.9% (career high)
K%- 27.7% (career low)
BB%- 12.5% (career high)

He had two hits last night. And the opposite field homer is encouraging. Maybe Brant Brown is utilizing Gorman's opposite field power. He could be so much better if he stopped trying to pull everything.

Currently on pace for a bit over 300 PAs. Not ideal from an evaluation standpoint.

Reading Denton this morning:

“The biggest thing is trusting what I’m doing and not trying to change things with how few and far between at-bats come right now,” Gorman said before homering for the second time this season and the first time since March 30. “At this point, it’s just trying to work on what I’ve been doing and not searching for something if something goes wrong in the game. It’s about trusting the process and understanding that my swing will work.”

Gorman’s bat speed has dropped from 73.2 mph in 2024 to 70.7 mph on average in 2025, that’s helped his strikeout rate drop (from 37.6% to 27.1%) and his chase rate decline (from 30.3% to 24.8%).
-J. Denton

Let's hope he uses this stretch of games, where he'll get more AB's, to put all that work into real time.

Got his average up to .200 last night for the first time since ______? Only .027 to go to catch Arenado!

Gorman has to force them to get him more at bats. I love all the improvements in all his peripheral numbers. But hits are what's going to get him playing time. Last night was a good start.

2ninr wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:51 am Gorman has to force them to get him more at bats. I love all the improvements in all his peripheral numbers. But hits are what's going to get him playing time. Last night was a good start.

The good news is it seems like the hits are starting to come. He has hits in 7 of his last 9 starts. 5 of those 9 were multiple times on base starts as well.

Hope he can continue it and make it really interesting with him and Walker perking up a little bit.

Wow..

Whoever thought after over 150-some odd years of history of the sport that creating more contact with a baseball would mean more hits?

What a revelation.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 11:19 am Wow..

Whoever thought after over 150-some odd years of history of the sport that creating more contact with a baseball would mean more hits?

What a revelation.

As injuries occur, he'll continue to get more and more PT.

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 11:53 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 11:19 am Wow..

Whoever thought after over 150-some odd years of history of the sport that creating more contact with a baseball would mean more hits?

What a revelation.

As injuries occur, he'll continue to get more and more PT.

If his back doesn’t betray him
If he stops stepping in the bucket
If he finds a way to hit high fast balls
If he gets more regular at bats
Then yes

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:53 am

2ninr wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:51 am Gorman has to force them to get him more at bats. I love all the improvements in all his peripheral numbers. But hits are what's going to get him playing time. Last night was a good start.

The good news is it seems like the hits are starting to come. He has hits in 7 of his last 9 starts. 5 of those 9 were multiple times on base starts as well.

Hope he can continue it and make it really interesting with him and Walker perking up a little bit.

I have an issue with "has to force them to get him more ABs"... as you show he's been hitting more yet has only gotten 6 starts since May 10th.

Also, even regular players doing well, and even proven players have 0fer games, sometimes a couple a week. Yet when Gorman does he can be pretty sure he'll not get another start for 4 or 5 days at least. It takes a really special player to be able to perform under those conditions, and there are plenty of good-to-great players in the history of the league who could never do that.

The Cards seem to be in the process of proving to themselves the former (he's not a really special player) but then interpreting it as the latter (he's not great or even good).

3dender wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 13:47 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:53 am

2ninr wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:51 am Gorman has to force them to get him more at bats. I love all the improvements in all his peripheral numbers. But hits are what's going to get him playing time. Last night was a good start.

The good news is it seems like the hits are starting to come. He has hits in 7 of his last 9 starts. 5 of those 9 were multiple times on base starts as well.

Hope he can continue it and make it really interesting with him and Walker perking up a little bit.

I have an issue with "has to force them to get him more ABs"... as you show he's been hitting more yet has only gotten 6 starts since May 10th.

Also, even regular players doing well, and even proven players have 0fer games, sometimes a couple a week. Yet when Gorman does he can be pretty sure he'll not get another start for 4 or 5 days at least. It takes a really special player to be able to perform under those conditions, and there are plenty of good-to-great players in the history of the league who could never do that.

The Cards seem to be in the process of proving to themselves the former (he's not a really special player) but then interpreting it as the latter (he's not great or even good).

I Gorman wil get his opportunity. I don't think there's any kind of conspiracy against him. If he played right field instead of the infield, he already would be getting more pt.

2ninr wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 14:24 pm

3dender wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 13:47 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:53 am

2ninr wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:51 am Gorman has to force them to get him more at bats. I love all the improvements in all his peripheral numbers. But hits are what's going to get him playing time. Last night was a good start.

The good news is it seems like the hits are starting to come. He has hits in 7 of his last 9 starts. 5 of those 9 were multiple times on base starts as well.

Hope he can continue it and make it really interesting with him and Walker perking up a little bit.

I have an issue with "has to force them to get him more ABs"... as you show he's been hitting more yet has only gotten 6 starts since May 10th.

Also, even regular players doing well, and even proven players have 0fer games, sometimes a couple a week. Yet when Gorman does he can be pretty sure he'll not get another start for 4 or 5 days at least. It takes a really special player to be able to perform under those conditions, and there are plenty of good-to-great players in the history of the league who could never do that.

The Cards seem to be in the process of proving to themselves the former (he's not a really special player) but then interpreting it as the latter (he's not great or even good).

I Gorman wil get his opportunity. I don't think there's any kind of conspiracy against him. If he played right field instead of the infield, he already would be getting more pt.

I don't think nor did I mean to imply there was a conspiracy.

I just don't think enough people are recognizing the ridiculously high pressure situation he is being forced to perform in, and those people are also making sweeping conclusions about his long-term ability based on his performance in that high pressure situation.

Even Walker, who was in a similar situation at the beginning of the season, has had a far longer leash to fail this season so far. Gorman has been outperforming him by both WAR and OPS basically the entire season, yet he has received only 65% as many PAs.

3dender wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 14:45 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 14:24 pm

3dender wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 13:47 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:53 am

2ninr wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:51 am Gorman has to force them to get him more at bats. I love all the improvements in all his peripheral numbers. But hits are what's going to get him playing time. Last night was a good start.

The good news is it seems like the hits are starting to come. He has hits in 7 of his last 9 starts. 5 of those 9 were multiple times on base starts as well.

Hope he can continue it and make it really interesting with him and Walker perking up a little bit.

I have an issue with "has to force them to get him more ABs"... as you show he's been hitting more yet has only gotten 6 starts since May 10th.

Also, even regular players doing well, and even proven players have 0fer games, sometimes a couple a week. Yet when Gorman does he can be pretty sure he'll not get another start for 4 or 5 days at least. It takes a really special player to be able to perform under those conditions, and there are plenty of good-to-great players in the history of the league who could never do that.

The Cards seem to be in the process of proving to themselves the former (he's not a really special player) but then interpreting it as the latter (he's not great or even good).

I Gorman wil get his opportunity. I don't think there's any kind of conspiracy against him. If he played right field instead of the infield, he already would be getting more pt.

I don't think nor did I mean to imply there was a conspiracy.

I just don't think enough people are recognizing the ridiculously high pressure situation he is being forced to perform in, and those people are also making sweeping conclusions about his long-term ability based on his performance in that high pressure situation.

Even Walker, who was in a similar situation at the beginning of the season, has had a far longer leash to fail this season so far. Gorman has been outperforming him by both WAR and OPS basically the entire season, yet he has received only 65% as many PAs.

I think part of that is the fact that Gorman has had more time in the big leagues plus Donovan has played well at 2B, VS2 has taken control of CF, and Herrera has proven he isn’t an every day catcher so he’s been mainly the DH. Those are three avenues to PT that have been taken away from Gorman.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 14:53 pm

3dender wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 14:45 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 14:24 pm

3dender wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 13:47 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:53 am

2ninr wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:51 am Gorman has to force them to get him more at bats. I love all the improvements in all his peripheral numbers. But hits are what's going to get him playing time. Last night was a good start.

The good news is it seems like the hits are starting to come. He has hits in 7 of his last 9 starts. 5 of those 9 were multiple times on base starts as well.

Hope he can continue it and make it really interesting with him and Walker perking up a little bit.

I have an issue with "has to force them to get him more ABs"... as you show he's been hitting more yet has only gotten 6 starts since May 10th.

Also, even regular players doing well, and even proven players have 0fer games, sometimes a couple a week. Yet when Gorman does he can be pretty sure he'll not get another start for 4 or 5 days at least. It takes a really special player to be able to perform under those conditions, and there are plenty of good-to-great players in the history of the league who could never do that.

The Cards seem to be in the process of proving to themselves the former (he's not a really special player) but then interpreting it as the latter (he's not great or even good).

I Gorman wil get his opportunity. I don't think there's any kind of conspiracy against him. If he played right field instead of the infield, he already would be getting more pt.

I don't think nor did I mean to imply there was a conspiracy.

I just don't think enough people are recognizing the ridiculously high pressure situation he is being forced to perform in, and those people are also making sweeping conclusions about his long-term ability based on his performance in that high pressure situation.

Even Walker, who was in a similar situation at the beginning of the season, has had a far longer leash to fail this season so far. Gorman has been outperforming him by both WAR and OPS basically the entire season, yet he has received only 65% as many PAs.

I think part of that is the fact that Gorman has had more time in the big leagues plus Donovan has played well at 2B, VS2 has taken control of CF, and Herrera has proven he isn’t an every day catcher so he’s been mainly the DH. Those are three avenues to PT that have been taken away from Gorman.

Yeah I don't think the PT situation was necessarily avoidable, although I'd still be splitting more time between Burleson and Gorman (with Donovan taking LF).

What I think is definitely avoidable, and which I have skepticism will be avoided, is too many people jumping to conclusions about Gorman's ultimate ability based on this limited PT.

3dender wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 14:45 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 14:24 pm

3dender wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 13:47 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:53 am

2ninr wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 10:51 am Gorman has to force them to get him more at bats. I love all the improvements in all his peripheral numbers. But hits are what's going to get him playing time. Last night was a good start.

The good news is it seems like the hits are starting to come. He has hits in 7 of his last 9 starts. 5 of those 9 were multiple times on base starts as well.

Hope he can continue it and make it really interesting with him and Walker perking up a little bit.

I have an issue with "has to force them to get him more ABs"... as you show he's been hitting more yet has only gotten 6 starts since May 10th.

Also, even regular players doing well, and even proven players have 0fer games, sometimes a couple a week. Yet when Gorman does he can be pretty sure he'll not get another start for 4 or 5 days at least. It takes a really special player to be able to perform under those conditions, and there are plenty of good-to-great players in the history of the league who could never do that.

The Cards seem to be in the process of proving to themselves the former (he's not a really special player) but then interpreting it as the latter (he's not great or even good).

I Gorman wil get his opportunity. I don't think there's any kind of conspiracy against him. If he played right field instead of the infield, he already would be getting more pt.

I don't think nor did I mean to imply there was a conspiracy.

I just don't think enough people are recognizing the ridiculously high pressure situation he is being forced to perform in, and those people are also making sweeping conclusions about his long-term ability based on his performance in that high pressure situation.

Even Walker, who was in a similar situation at the beginning of the season, has had a far longer leash to fail this season so far. Gorman has been outperforming him by both WAR and OPS basically the entire season, yet he has received only 65% as many PAs.

We are in agreement and you make good points. Gorman, and to a lesser extent Saggesse, are the guys whose developement has suffered because of the Cardinals inability to move Arenado. Let's hope he is moved at the deadline.