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Posted: **15 May 2025 14:29 pm**

Matz to Yankees for Devin Williams? Williams has struggled in NY and Weaver is the closer. Yanks could use a good lh reliever for their bullpen. Money is about the same so not much savings or cost for either team.
My thinking is this, the Yankees have lost confidence in Williams. If you do this trade soon then you give Williams a chance to turn things around in his hometown in a less pressured circumstance. At the deadline then if the Cards are selling they hold possibly the two best bullpen arms available.
They also would have the option to keep one to allow them to be competitive but trade the other for a good return.

Posted: **15 May 2025 14:37 pm**

kyace wrote: ↑15 May 2025 14:29 pm Matz to Yankees for Devin Williams? Williams has struggled in NY and Weaver is the closer. Yanks could use a good lh reliever for their bullpen. Money is about the same so not much savings or cost for either team.
My thinking is this, the Yankees have lost confidence in Williams. If you do this trade soon then you give Williams a chance to turn things around in his hometown in a less pressured circumstance. At the deadline then if the Cards are selling they hold possibly the two best bullpen arms available.
They also would have the option to keep one to allow them to be competitive but trade the other for a good return.

Think I would pass .. No ! Devin Williams WAS certainly a top closer with the Brewers but I question his health.

Devin Williams was injured when the Milwaukee Brewers traded him to the New York Yankees. He was recovering from stress fractures in his back that kept him out for the first few months of the 2024 season.

He hasn't been the same guy since having the stress facture in his back. I am leary that he may be damaged goods. He has not looked the same .
Think I would try to get something different for Matz. Just me !
Like to hear what others think .

Posted: **15 May 2025 15:05 pm**

no, very ineffective this year and it could well be physical.

Posted: **15 May 2025 15:38 pm**

No. Wouldn’t think twice.

Posted: **15 May 2025 15:56 pm**

kyace wrote: ↑15 May 2025 14:29 pm Matz to Yankees for Devin Williams? Williams has struggled in NY and Weaver is the closer. Yanks could use a good lh reliever for their bullpen. Money is about the same so not much savings or cost for either team.
My thinking is this, the Yankees have lost confidence in Williams. If you do this trade soon then you give Williams a chance to turn things around in his hometown in a less pressured circumstance. At the deadline then if the Cards are selling they hold possibly the two best bullpen arms available.
They also would have the option to keep one to allow them to be competitive but trade the other for a good return.

Not seeing this as a good option or the logic behind it. We have Matz who is pitching well. Instead of flipping him for prospects, we are going to trade him for a struggling pitcher we hope miraculously turns it around before we need to flip him in two months?

Why not just flip Matz who has higher trade value currently for prospects?

I say this as one of Matz biggest critics, he has been real good this year. He should be flipped for prospects.

Posted: **15 May 2025 16:05 pm**

Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑15 May 2025 15:56 pm
kyace wrote: ↑15 May 2025 14:29 pm Matz to Yankees for Devin Williams? Williams has struggled in NY and Weaver is the closer. Yanks could use a good lh reliever for their bullpen. Money is about the same so not much savings or cost for either team.
My thinking is this, the Yankees have lost confidence in Williams. If you do this trade soon then you give Williams a chance to turn things around in his hometown in a less pressured circumstance. At the deadline then if the Cards are selling they hold possibly the two best bullpen arms available.
They also would have the option to keep one to allow them to be competitive but trade the other for a good return.
Not seeing this as a good option or the logic behind it. We have Matz who is pitching well. Instead of flipping him for prospects, we are going to trade him for a struggling pitcher we hope miraculously turns it around before we need to flip him in two months?

Why not just flip Matz who has higher trade value currently for prospects?

I say this as one of Matz biggest critics, he has been real good this year. He should be flipped for prospects.

He might be their biggest trade chip. Higher than Hels? Possibly he is earning his contract.
Him, Fedde, or guys that can be considered keepers, are the bigger chips.

Posted: **15 May 2025 16:35 pm**

I realize that Matz is pitching better now but his injury history I believe also limits his value. Williams has a better track record of performance. I can see the concerns with Williams situation which is the only reason the Yankees would consider trading him. I guess it’s a risk reward scenario that could backfire or payoff big.
I’ve seen him pitch a lot for the Yankees and he appears healthy. Maybe that homer by Alonso in the playoffs still haunts him and pitching in NY with all that pressure has got to him some. I was just thinking getting him on the cheap back in his familiar situation he would turn things around.
Don’t think the Yankees will give him away and eat salary. Matz contract did offset the cost with Yankees adding about @$4 million more and the Cards reducing theirs by that amount.

Posted: **15 May 2025 16:43 pm**

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 16:05 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑15 May 2025 15:56 pm
kyace wrote: ↑15 May 2025 14:29 pm Matz to Yankees for Devin Williams? Williams has struggled in NY and Weaver is the closer. Yanks could use a good lh reliever for their bullpen. Money is about the same so not much savings or cost for either team.
My thinking is this, the Yankees have lost confidence in Williams. If you do this trade soon then you give Williams a chance to turn things around in his hometown in a less pressured circumstance. At the deadline then if the Cards are selling they hold possibly the two best bullpen arms available.
They also would have the option to keep one to allow them to be competitive but trade the other for a good return.
Not seeing this as a good option or the logic behind it. We have Matz who is pitching well. Instead of flipping him for prospects, we are going to trade him for a struggling pitcher we hope miraculously turns it around before we need to flip him in two months?

Why not just flip Matz who has higher trade value currently for prospects?

I say this as one of Matz biggest critics, he has been real good this year. He should be flipped for prospects.
He might be their biggest trade chip. Higher than Hels? Possibly he is earning his contract.
Him, Fedde, or guys that can be considered keepers, are the bigger chips.

Not saying he is a bigger trade chip than a closer or a starter, but a swing lefty who can start or relieve will have value of he continues pitching well.

Cards need to not buy into fools gold and need to trade players even if they are in wildcard contention.

Posted: **15 May 2025 16:52 pm**

I wouldn’t trade a guy who is pitching well for a pitcher who isn’t pitching well on the hope they start pitching well

Posted: **15 May 2025 20:59 pm**

O hell naw.

Posted: **15 May 2025 21:26 pm**

kyace wrote: ↑15 May 2025 14:29 pm Matz to Yankees for Devin Williams? Williams has struggled in NY and Weaver is the closer. Yanks could use a good lh reliever for their bullpen. Money is about the same so not much savings or cost for either team.
My thinking is this, the Yankees have lost confidence in Williams. If you do this trade soon then you give Williams a chance to turn things around in his hometown in a less pressured circumstance. At the deadline then if the Cards are selling they hold possibly the two best bullpen arms available.
They also would have the option to keep one to allow them to be competitive but trade the other for a good return.

[fork] no. Why even state this is illogical. Even if Matz gets injured like usual...it's still a hard no

Posted: **15 May 2025 23:21 pm**

I am surprised as to how short sighted some of you are. Williams has been the best reliever in baseball the past 4 to 5 years and is healthy. He came back from the back injury and pitched well last year also. His issue seems more of a mental block than physical. Sonny Gray stunk it up in New York also. Yankees sold low on him to the Reds who came out big in that deal getting him for 3 very good years of pitching for a comp pick. The thinking was maybe they think Williams won’t succeed there like Sonny didn’t and move on.

Yankees would most likely never do this deal anyway. Williams was his dominant self his last few appearances. He would have to really struggle the next few months for them to deal him based upon his track record. He gives them a better chance to go to the WS than Matz would.

Shows me the lack of imagination and willingness to make a gamble that appears to have permeated the Cards and their fans. Matz is likely not going to bring back a meaningful prospect. Too many question marks health wise with him. Cards are unlikely to pay down his salary as seen with Arenado so that also lowers his value. My bet is Williams even if not as dominant as before would still bring back more prospect wise than Matz at the deadline based upon his track record and that he cost less than Matz.

Yes making this trade would be a gamble as I said. However if it paid off it would open a lot more options for the Cards. A combination of Williams and Helsley at the end of games would give the Cards a dominant bullpen as good as any in the game. It would give them the best chance to compete for the division crown and also in the playoffs where bullpens rule. If the Cards are not in contention than they have what has been two of the top closers in baseball to deal.

Posted: **15 May 2025 23:24 pm**

Matz probably more valuable at this point in time. Some compared his season to what Andrew Miller was doing a few years ago. Maybe a bit of a stretch, but he is pitching well regardless of what role the team is asking him to play.

Posted: **16 May 2025 00:34 am**

kyace wrote: ↑15 May 2025 23:21 pm I am surprised as to how short sighted some of you are. Williams has been the best reliever in baseball the past 4 to 5 years and is healthy. He came back from the back injury and pitched well last year also. His issue seems more of a mental block than physical. Sonny Gray stunk it up in New York also. Yankees sold low on him to the Reds who came out big in that deal getting him for 3 very good years of pitching for a comp pick. The thinking was maybe they think Williams won’t succeed there like Sonny didn’t and move on.

Yankees would most likely never do this deal anyway. Williams was his dominant self his last few appearances. He would have to really struggle the next few months for them to deal him based upon his track record. He gives them a better chance to go to the WS than Matz would.

Shows me the lack of imagination and willingness to make a gamble that appears to have permeated the Cards and their fans. Matz is likely not going to bring back a meaningful prospect. Too many question marks health wise with him. Cards are unlikely to pay down his salary as seen with Arenado so that also lowers his value. My bet is Williams even if not as dominant as before would still bring back more prospect wise than Matz at the deadline based upon his track record and that he cost less than Matz.

Yes making this trade would be a gamble as I said. However if it paid off it would open a lot more options for the Cards. A combination of Williams and Helsley at the end of games would give the Cards a dominant bullpen as good as any in the game. It would give them the best chance to compete for the division crown and also in the playoffs where bullpens rule. If the Cards are not in contention than they have what has been two of the top closers in baseball to deal.

lol it’s not a lack of imagination to want them to make a stupid trade. Matz has pitched very well both in relief and in a couple of spot starts. Williams is going to give you one inning and he hasn’t been good. The only reason to believe Williams will get better and it’s not injury related is hope and prayer and you don’t trade a very good hybrid pitcher for a hope and prayer bad pitcher in my opinion.

Posted: **16 May 2025 07:04 am**

What if it was Arenado for Williams and a good prospect?

Donovan to 3B, Sagesse to 2B.

Posted: **16 May 2025 07:51 am**

JDW wrote: ↑16 May 2025 07:04 am What if it was Arenado for Williams and a good prospect?

Donovan to 3B, Sagesse to 2B.

No. Stop trying to get Williams

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