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Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑06 May 2025 10:21 am You may be right, but on this team right now you can't leave half a game for this bullpen to finish and get good results. Most of the time that is going to look ugly. A leaky bullpen overshadows all strengths on the team.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 May 2025 10:26 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑06 May 2025 10:21 am You may be right, but on this team right now you can't leave half a game for this bullpen to finish and get good results. Most of the time that is going to look ugly. A leaky bullpen overshadows all strengths on the team.

It’s important to remember this reset. It’s a season long event. Therefore it’s a must these players play and get pushed around by attrition, injury, bad nights, and growth.

We gotta see what we got in offseason in order to start the buying.

I’d measure him more on a start against Pirates than Mets. He bombs with Rats, then there is an issue.

JDW wrote: ↑06 May 2025 13:22 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 May 2025 10:26 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑06 May 2025 10:21 am You may be right, but on this team right now you can't leave half a game for this bullpen to finish and get good results. Most of the time that is going to look ugly. A leaky bullpen overshadows all strengths on the team.

It’s important to remember this reset. It’s a season long event. Therefore it’s a must these players play and get pushed around by attrition, injury, bad nights, and growth.

We gotta see what we got in offseason in order to start the buying.

I’d measure him more on a start against Pirates than Mets. He bombs with Rats, then there is an issue.

I agree.
If you're giving a leash to a few position players during this reset, why wouldn't you do the same for a young potential decent cost controlled SP?

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 May 2025 13:32 pm

JDW wrote: ↑06 May 2025 13:22 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 May 2025 10:26 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑06 May 2025 10:21 am You may be right, but on this team right now you can't leave half a game for this bullpen to finish and get good results. Most of the time that is going to look ugly. A leaky bullpen overshadows all strengths on the team.

It’s important to remember this reset. It’s a season long event. Therefore it’s a must these players play and get pushed around by attrition, injury, bad nights, and growth.

We gotta see what we got in offseason in order to start the buying.

I’d measure him more on a start against Pirates than Mets. He bombs with Rats, then there is an issue.

I agree.
If you're giving a leash to a few position players during this reset, why wouldn't you do the same for a young potential decent cost controlled SP?

Another point. It’s not a secure environment if in only 2-3 events you went from -could be stud to could be dude, and got removed from your position.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 May 2025 10:15 am Good morning.

He’s a ground ball pitcher who must limit base runners by way of a walk. It’s critical.

He as thrown 26 plus innings last five starts, with a trend downwards. 7,6,4.1, 6, 3.1. He is 2-2, with a 1.53 whip. There is his issue- walks.

Last 13 innings 9 walks. 4 er twice and 3 another time last three games. Walks.

Let’s not forget the terrible umps he has encountered. Icon said yesterday was the worst we have ever seen, so it is not helping a young pitcher.

Another thought- he has pitched at Phillies at reds and at Braves in succession. Also has two starts against Mets, one a 7 inning start against Mets in these five games.

So Mets x 2, reds there, Braves there, Phillie there, and Mets at home. He was 1-2 in that span.

He is a strong number five, and a good number four. He will throw a gem every third game. This on a reset year.

He will be fine.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑06 May 2025 18:13 pm Without strikeout stuff his chances of long term success as a starter are slim.

Hitters know he's going to be down in the zone and are sitting on those pitches.

Cusecards wrote: ↑06 May 2025 18:00 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 May 2025 10:15 am Good morning.

He’s a ground ball pitcher who must limit base runners by way of a walk. It’s critical.

He as thrown 26 plus innings last five starts, with a trend downwards. 7,6,4.1, 6, 3.1. He is 2-2, with a 1.53 whip. There is his issue- walks.

Last 13 innings 9 walks. 4 er twice and 3 another time last three games. Walks.

Let’s not forget the terrible umps he has encountered. Icon said yesterday was the worst we have ever seen, so it is not helping a young pitcher.

Another thought- he has pitched at Phillies at reds and at Braves in succession. Also has two starts against Mets, one a 7 inning start against Mets in these five games.

So Mets x 2, reds there, Braves there, Phillie there, and Mets at home. He was 1-2 in that span.

He is a strong number five, and a good number four. He will throw a gem every third game. This on a reset year.

He will be fine.

Pretty much agree.
He was good last year and earned his rotation spot to start the season.
Let him pitch.
2025 is pretty much an audition season.
And I disagree with those who don’t think he could help out of the BP.
After Helsley from the RH side you have Leahy & Maton.
Then who?
Fernandez? Roycroft? Munoz? Svanson? O’Brien?
I’d rather have Pallante than any of them.
And I get that we want to see McGreevy and Graceffo. But maybe they are better suited starting in AAA until they are ready and not put in the BP?

hmoss859 wrote: ↑06 May 2025 18:51 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑06 May 2025 18:00 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 May 2025 10:15 am Good morning.

He’s a ground ball pitcher who must limit base runners by way of a walk. It’s critical.

He as thrown 26 plus innings last five starts, with a trend downwards. 7,6,4.1, 6, 3.1. He is 2-2, with a 1.53 whip. There is his issue- walks.

Last 13 innings 9 walks. 4 er twice and 3 another time last three games. Walks.

Let’s not forget the terrible umps he has encountered. Icon said yesterday was the worst we have ever seen, so it is not helping a young pitcher.

Another thought- he has pitched at Phillies at reds and at Braves in succession. Also has two starts against Mets, one a 7 inning start against Mets in these five games.

So Mets x 2, reds there, Braves there, Phillie there, and Mets at home. He was 1-2 in that span.

He is a strong number five, and a good number four. He will throw a gem every third game. This on a reset year.

He will be fine.

Pretty much agree.
He was good last year and earned his rotation spot to start the season.
Let him pitch.
2025 is pretty much an audition season.
And I disagree with those who don’t think he could help out of the BP.
After Helsley from the RH side you have Leahy & Maton.
Then who?
Fernandez? Roycroft? Munoz? Svanson? O’Brien?
I’d rather have Pallante than any of them.
And I get that we want to see McGreevy and Graceffo. But maybe they are better suited starting in AAA until they are ready and not put in the BP?

Graceffo is the future closer, just sayin' per Derrick Goold chat

As for Pallente, he needs to throw strikes with the sinker and mix-in occasional four seamer above zone.

His breaking ball he bounces it repeatedly, shelve it until he figures it out

Dude needs a changeup

He has good enough stuff to get hitters out, 95 with movement

hmoss859 wrote: ↑06 May 2025 18:51 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑06 May 2025 18:00 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 May 2025 10:15 am Good morning.

He’s a ground ball pitcher who must limit base runners by way of a walk. It’s critical.

He as thrown 26 plus innings last five starts, with a trend downwards. 7,6,4.1, 6, 3.1. He is 2-2, with a 1.53 whip. There is his issue- walks.

Last 13 innings 9 walks. 4 er twice and 3 another time last three games. Walks.

Let’s not forget the terrible umps he has encountered. Icon said yesterday was the worst we have ever seen, so it is not helping a young pitcher.

Another thought- he has pitched at Phillies at reds and at Braves in succession. Also has two starts against Mets, one a 7 inning start against Mets in these five games.

So Mets x 2, reds there, Braves there, Phillie there, and Mets at home. He was 1-2 in that span.

He is a strong number five, and a good number four. He will throw a gem every third game. This on a reset year.

He will be fine.

Pretty much agree.
He was good last year and earned his rotation spot to start the season.
Let him pitch.
2025 is pretty much an audition season.
And I disagree with those who don’t think he could help out of the BP.
After Helsley from the RH side you have Leahy & Maton.
Then who?
Fernandez? Roycroft? Munoz? Svanson? O’Brien?
I’d rather have Pallante than any of them.
And I get that we want to see McGreevy and Graceffo. But maybe they are better suited starting in AAA until they are ready and not put in the BP?

Graceffo is the future closer, just sayin'