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After winning the first 3, they are now 6 and 12 in the last 18 games. How much longer before a manager change?

However, there are some really beautiful families and individual family members involved in that scenario. That’s very important to keep in mind.

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 08:42 am However, there are some really beautiful families and individual family members involved in that scenario. That’s very important to keep in mind.

Exactly, and it's been pointed out that DeTwit and Mo-ran and Oli are being let down by the players! Front office (donkey) kissers in 3...2..1

OldRed wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 08:39 am After winning the first 3, they are now 6 and 12 in the last 18 games. How much longer before a manager change?

So the first 3 wins are excluded now ?
What if your team would go 5-0, and then 5-10 after that .. That would be a 10-10 record Would the argument be the same ? After winning the first 5 , they are now 5-10 the last 15 games .. so how much longer before a manager change ?

I think any discussion on changes must encompass ALL the games .. the wins and losses in total .
If you wish for a manager change after Marmol's 9-12 start for the first 21 games, then make your argument for that .

ramfandan wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 10:19 am

OldRed wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 08:39 am After winning the first 3, they are now 6 and 12 in the last 18 games. How much longer before a manager change?

So the first 3 wins are excluded now ?
What if your team would go 5-0, and then 5-10 after that .. That would be a 10-10 record Would the argument be the same ? After winning the first 5 , they are now 5-10 the last 15 games .. so how much longer before a manager change ?

I think any discussion on changes must encompass ALL the games .. the wins and losses in total .
If you wish for a manager change after Marmol's 9-12 start for the first 21 games, then make your argument for that .

Of course it matters .. it shows how you are currently playing….. counting the whole season they still stink

Manager isn’t getting fired until the season is over. And that’s fine.

ramfandan wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 10:19 am

OldRed wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 08:39 am After winning the first 3, they are now 6 and 12 in the last 18 games. How much longer before a manager change?

So the first 3 wins are excluded now ?
What if your team would go 5-0, and then 5-10 after that .. That would be a 10-10 record Would the argument be the same ? After winning the first 5 , they are now 5-10 the last 15 games .. so how much longer before a manager change ?

I think any discussion on changes must encompass ALL the games .. the wins and losses in total .
If you wish for a manager change after Marmol's 9-12 start for the first 21 games, then make your argument for that .

Agree it’s like when people said if cards had just won the extra inning games or split them the record would be better so what they didn’t

Web7 wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 10:26 am

ramfandan wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 10:19 am

OldRed wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 08:39 am After winning the first 3, they are now 6 and 12 in the last 18 games. How much longer before a manager change?

So the first 3 wins are excluded now ?
What if your team would go 5-0, and then 5-10 after that .. That would be a 10-10 record Would the argument be the same ? After winning the first 5 , they are now 5-10 the last 15 games .. so how much longer before a manager change ?

I think any discussion on changes must encompass ALL the games .. the wins and losses in total .
If you wish for a manager change after Marmol's 9-12 start for the first 21 games, then make your argument for that .

Of course it matters .. it shows how you are currently playing….. counting the whole season they still stink

When you say how they are 'currently' playing , why then use the OP of the past 18 games of 6-12 The MLB standings shows a column showing how each team has fared the past 10 games. On could argue that is more meaningful than going back 18 games (which excluded the three previous wins ) .
In the past 10 games, the standings https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/standings/ show the Cardinals are 4-6 one game below .500 for that 10 game span.
Anyone can cherry pick a number of games to use .. For instance , rather than citing the one game below .500 for the past 10 , I could argue
the Cardinals 'currently' have lost 4 of their last 5 games ... a 1-5 record .. In doing that I could negate the 2 wins they had just prior to the last 5 .

Oli isn’t going anywhere this year. There are no expectations on the team so there is no way he can fail to meet them

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 10:55 am Oli isn’t going anywhere this year. There are no expectations on the team so there is no way he can fail to meet them

Which is the low standard the Moron set for the team starting last season. Don’t think the team doesn’t feel it. I’ll be honest I would love to see Skip Schumaker’s intensity in this dugout. I know what his record was at Miami but that franchise saddled him with a worse roster than even this Cardinal one.

OldRed wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 08:39 am After winning the first 3, they are now 6 and 12 in the last 18 games. How much longer before a manager change?

We have faced some serious pitching. If that changes I expect a bit better results.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 11:13 am

OldRed wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 08:39 am After winning the first 3, they are now 6 and 12 in the last 18 games. How much longer before a manager change?

We have faced some serious pitching. If that changes I expect a bit better results.

Very true ! The Cardinals have scored more runs than they have allowed. Long term if that continues that should reflect better in the W-L column.
Think only a couple teams in all of MLB have scored more than they allowed thus far and are sub .500 The Expected W-L for a +3 99 vs. 96 runs is 11-10 record . The Cards have played in four 1 run games . They are 0-4 in those close games. An oddity is that 3 of the 4 had the same score 4-5 with the other 1-2 game.

ramfandan wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 11:21 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 11:13 am

OldRed wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 08:39 am After winning the first 3, they are now 6 and 12 in the last 18 games. How much longer before a manager change?

We have faced some serious pitching. If that changes I expect a bit better results.

Very true ! The Cardinals have scored more runs than they have allowed. Long term if that continues that should reflect better in the W-L column.
Think only a couple teams in all of MLB have scored more than they allowed thus far and are sub .500 The Expected W-L for a +3 99 vs. 96 runs is 11-10 record . The Cards have played in four 1 run games . They are 0-4 in those close games. An oddity is that 3 of the 4 had the same score 4-5 with the other 1-2 game.

One runs games. Last year it was RISP. This year, the one runner. Seems a bit of strategy could plate that run.

ramfandan wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 10:19 am

OldRed wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 08:39 am After winning the first 3, they are now 6 and 12 in the last 18 games. How much longer before a manager change?

So the first 3 wins are excluded now ?
What if your team would go 5-0, and then 5-10 after that .. That would be a 10-10 record Would the argument be the same ? After winning the first 5 , they are now 5-10 the last 15 games .. so how much longer before a manager change ?

I think any discussion on changes must encompass ALL the games .. the wins and losses in total .
If you wish for a manager change after Marmol's 9-12 start for the first 21 games, then make your argument for that .

Well he's pointing out their trend, not dismissing them.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 11:29 am

ramfandan wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 11:21 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 11:13 am

OldRed wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 08:39 am After winning the first 3, they are now 6 and 12 in the last 18 games. How much longer before a manager change?

We have faced some serious pitching. If that changes I expect a bit better results.

Very true ! The Cardinals have scored more runs than they have allowed. Long term if that continues that should reflect better in the W-L column.
Think only a couple teams in all of MLB have scored more than they allowed thus far and are sub .500 The Expected W-L for a +3 99 vs. 96 runs is 11-10 record . The Cards have played in four 1 run games . They are 0-4 in those close games. An oddity is that 3 of the 4 had the same score 4-5 with the other 1-2 game.

One runs games. Last year it was RISP. This year, the one runner. Seems a bit of strategy could plate that run.

Oli's teams have no identity. Shildt's teams were always known for fundamentals.

OldRed wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 08:39 am After winning the first 3, they are now 6 and 12 in the last 18 games. How much longer before a manager change?

We are also like 1-9 on the road and first place level at Busch.