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Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 11:54 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Good morning.
Has has several good games before this year. Currently, 2-0, tied for fifth. 2.20 era-23rd., 1.04 whip-28th.
16.1 innings, 10 hits 4 runs 4 ER 2 HR 7 BB 13 K.
His issue is walks. Almost one wvery two innings. A pitch to contact ground ball machine.
Can he be league level, or Cardinal level Ace.
Thoughts.
Re: Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 12:00 pm
by Alex Reyes Cy Young
Cards
Re: Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 12:07 pm
by imadangman
Can he pitch 180 innings with a 1.05 whip and a 4/1 SO/walk ratio or better
Re: Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 12:08 pm
by rockondlouie
Neither
Solid #3, perhaps upside to #2 if he has another good 2025 but never will be a "league" Ace.
And as long as S. Gray's here, then he's the Cardinals "Ace".
Re: Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 12:09 pm
by An Old Friend
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 11:54 am
Good morning.
Has has several good games before this year. Currently, 2-0, tied for fifth. 2.20 era-23rd., 1.04 whip-28th.
16.1 innings, 10 hits 4 runs 4 ER 2 HR 7 BB 13 K.
His issue is walks. Almost one wvery two innings. A pitch to contact ground ball machine.
Can he be league level, or Cardinal level Ace.
Thoughts.
I think more of a 3 but he’s spent a lot of time in the lab to get there, so kudos to him for working for it.
He doesn’t look like a guy with strong enough command or bat missing ability to profile higher than that, but he’s also still young enough to continue to develop his stuff.
I think the team needs 2-3 better than him to be competing for flags.
Re: Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 12:12 pm
by sikeston bulldog2
imadangman wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:07 pm
Can he pitch 180 innings with a 1.05 whip and a 4/1 SO/walk ratio or better
Projected at 200 innings. Current 1.04 whip- needs to lower BB. No his Bb/K is about 1:2.
Re: Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 12:13 pm
by scoutyjones2
Wake me when he does it for a year. I never see him being an Ace...he will pitch very good games and not very good games.
Re: Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 12:14 pm
by sikeston bulldog2
An Old Friend wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:09 pm
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 11:54 am
Good morning.
Has has several good games before this year. Currently, 2-0, tied for fifth. 2.20 era-23rd., 1.04 whip-28th.
16.1 innings, 10 hits 4 runs 4 ER 2 HR 7 BB 13 K.
His issue is walks. Almost one wvery two innings. A pitch to contact ground ball machine.
Can he be league level, or Cardinal level Ace.
Thoughts.
I think more of a 3 but he’s spent a lot of time in the lab to get there, so kudos to him for working for it.
He doesn’t look like a guy with strong enough command or bat missing ability to profile higher than that, but he’s also still young enough to continue to develop his stuff.
I think the team needs 2-3 better than him to be competing for flags.
Well written. Remember he has thrown several good to great games before this season. I think he is a day away from greatness.
Yes need a couple more.
Re: Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 12:15 pm
by sikeston bulldog2
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:13 pm
Wake me when he does it for a year. I never see him being an Ace...he will pitch very good games and not very good games.
Prior to this year he has several good starts. The ability is there spread out over several years.
Re: Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 12:19 pm
by imadangman
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:12 pm
imadangman wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:07 pm
Can he pitch
180 innings with a 1.05 whip and a 4/1 SO/walk ratio or better
Projected at 200 innings. Current 1.04 whip- needs to lower BB. No his Bb/K is about 1:2.
That's my statistical rubric of an ace. But for future planning purposes I think what a contending rotation really needs is like 3 starters who can combine for a 1.20 whip or so over 500-550 innings. Cards have a lot of intriguing young arms. There's also a lot of innings to cover.
Re: Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 12:20 pm
by hugeCardfan
An Old Friend wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:09 pm
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 11:54 am
Good morning.
Has has several good games before this year. Currently, 2-0, tied for fifth. 2.20 era-23rd., 1.04 whip-28th.
16.1 innings, 10 hits 4 runs 4 ER 2 HR 7 BB 13 K.
His issue is walks. Almost one wvery two innings. A pitch to contact ground ball machine.
Can he be league level, or Cardinal level Ace.
Thoughts.
I think more of a 3 but he’s spent a lot of time in the lab to get there, so kudos to him for working for it.
He doesn’t look like a guy with strong enough command or bat missing ability to profile higher than that, but he’s also still young enough to continue to develop his stuff.
I think the team needs 2-3 better than him to be competing for flags.
Pallante has pitched more consistently than both Gray and Fedde and he's the first to give us 7 innings...shutout to boot. I'd say he'll be fine as our #3 and may well gravitate to #2 by next year. Those 7 innings were versus the Phillies, one of the 2 best hitting teams we've faced.
Re: Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 12:27 pm
by sikeston bulldog2
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:20 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:09 pm
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 11:54 am
Good morning.
Has has several good games before this year. Currently, 2-0, tied for fifth. 2.20 era-23rd., 1.04 whip-28th.
16.1 innings, 10 hits 4 runs 4 ER 2 HR 7 BB 13 K.
His issue is walks. Almost one wvery two innings. A pitch to contact ground ball machine.
Can he be league level, or Cardinal level Ace.
Thoughts.
I think more of a 3 but he’s spent a lot of time in the lab to get there, so kudos to him for working for it.
He doesn’t look like a guy with strong enough command or bat missing ability to profile higher than that, but he’s also still young enough to continue to develop his stuff.
I think the team needs 2-3 better than him to be competing for flags.
Pallante has pitched more consistently than both Gray and Fedde and he's the first to give us 7 innings...shutout to boot. I'd say he'll be fine as our #3 and may well gravitate to #2 by next year. Those 7 innings were versus the Phillies, one of the 2 best hitting teams we've faced.
As you mention two better hitting teams, the other Boston where he gave up only four hits. The three BB did him in.
Re: Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 12:49 pm
by An Old Friend
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:20 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:09 pm
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 11:54 am
Good morning.
Has has several good games before this year. Currently, 2-0, tied for fifth. 2.20 era-23rd., 1.04 whip-28th.
16.1 innings, 10 hits 4 runs 4 ER 2 HR 7 BB 13 K.
His issue is walks. Almost one wvery two innings. A pitch to contact ground ball machine.
Can he be league level, or Cardinal level Ace.
Thoughts.
I think more of a 3 but he’s spent a lot of time in the lab to get there, so kudos to him for working for it.
He doesn’t look like a guy with strong enough command or bat missing ability to profile higher than that, but he’s also still young enough to continue to develop his stuff.
I think the team needs 2-3 better than him to be competing for flags.
Pallante has pitched more consistently than both Gray and Fedde and he's the first to give us 7 innings...shutout to boot. I'd say he'll be fine as our #3 and may well gravitate to #2 by next year. Those 7 innings were versus the Phillies, one of the 2 best hitting teams we've faced.
BABIP of .182… benefiting from some good fortune, the expected average on his fastball is near .300 but actual is only like .175
Results / outcomes are noisy in small samples.
Re: Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 12:51 pm
by sikeston bulldog2
An Old Friend wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:49 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:20 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:09 pm
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 11:54 am
Good morning.
Has has several good games before this year. Currently, 2-0, tied for fifth. 2.20 era-23rd., 1.04 whip-28th.
16.1 innings, 10 hits 4 runs 4 ER 2 HR 7 BB 13 K.
His issue is walks. Almost one wvery two innings. A pitch to contact ground ball machine.
Can he be league level, or Cardinal level Ace.
Thoughts.
I think more of a 3 but he’s spent a lot of time in the lab to get there, so kudos to him for working for it.
He doesn’t look like a guy with strong enough command or bat missing ability to profile higher than that, but he’s also still young enough to continue to develop his stuff.
I think the team needs 2-3 better than him to be competing for flags.
Pallante has pitched more consistently than both Gray and Fedde and he's the first to give us 7 innings...shutout to boot. I'd say he'll be fine as our #3 and may well gravitate to #2 by next year. Those 7 innings were versus the Phillies, one of the 2 best hitting teams we've faced.
BABIP of .182… benefiting from some good fortune, the expected average on his fastball is near .300 but actual is only like .175
Results / outcomes are noisy in small samples.
Small samples are noisy but can be accurate to several other degrees. You’d think in small samples ratios and standard deviations would still show clean correlations.
Re: Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 13:26 pm
by cardsfaninla
Ball four ... aka .. Strike three
Mikolas hasn't been great ... but that pitch call didn't help.
Re: Will Pallante be a Cardinal Ace, or a league Ace.
Posted: 12 Apr 2025 13:29 pm
by An Old Friend
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:51 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:49 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:20 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 12:09 pm
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 11:54 am
Good morning.
Has has several good games before this year. Currently, 2-0, tied for fifth. 2.20 era-23rd., 1.04 whip-28th.
16.1 innings, 10 hits 4 runs 4 ER 2 HR 7 BB 13 K.
His issue is walks. Almost one wvery two innings. A pitch to contact ground ball machine.
Can he be league level, or Cardinal level Ace.
Thoughts.
I think more of a 3 but he’s spent a lot of time in the lab to get there, so kudos to him for working for it.
He doesn’t look like a guy with strong enough command or bat missing ability to profile higher than that, but he’s also still young enough to continue to develop his stuff.
I think the team needs 2-3 better than him to be competing for flags.
Pallante has pitched more consistently than both Gray and Fedde and he's the first to give us 7 innings...shutout to boot. I'd say he'll be fine as our #3 and may well gravitate to #2 by next year. Those 7 innings were versus the Phillies, one of the 2 best hitting teams we've faced.
BABIP of .182… benefiting from some good fortune, the expected average on his fastball is near .300 but actual is only like .175
Results / outcomes are noisy in small samples.
Small samples are noisy but can be accurate to several other degrees. You’d think in small samples ratios and standard deviations would still show clean correlations.
No pitcher has the ability to suppress average on balls in play to that degree.