Don’t blame the refs….

[diehardbluesfan1]

We played like trash and kept it close.

How many times were they behind our defense tonight?

How many abysmal turnovers?

How many missed open nets?

The best player in the world beat us with an ahl team. We were garbage.

Thomas line was pretty good but

Schenn, neighbors, snuggerud, did they even play.

[hockey jedi]

You are right about everything except for the refs. They were terrible and missed a lot of calls tonight.

[tubastarr]

Add that our D men were worthless tying up players in front of our net.

[WeWentBlues0819]

I loathe that line of thinking. Loathe it. That non call was absolutely inexcusable. The Blues play has NOTHING to do with the awful officiating. No excuse.

[diehardbluesfan1]

I loathe that line of thinking. Loathe it. That non call was absolutely inexcusable. The Blues play has NOTHING to do with the awful officiating. No excuse.

They were bad on both sides

[DawgDad]

We played like trash and kept it close.

How many times were they behind our defense tonight?

How many abysmal turnovers?

How many missed open nets?

The best player in the world beat us with an ahl team. We were garbage.

Thomas line was pretty good but

Schenn, neighbors, snuggerud, did they even play.

You MIGHT want to pause and contemplate what you're typing.

Blues did not play like trash and that was not a garbage effort. That was a highly competitive game.

Oilers got behind the defense often because it was McDavid. Blues got behind their defense, too.

AHL team? Well, the Blues had a 19 year old, a 20 year old, a 22 year old (barely 22), and two 23 year olds. Two forwards with virtually no NHL game experience taking regular shifts for much of the game.

McDavid IS one of the best players in the world. Not his first rodeo, he has many victims.

Yes, not getting supplemental scoring beyond the first line is a problem right now.

[Tony Palazzolo]

We played like trash and kept it close.

How many times were they behind our defense tonight?

How many abysmal turnovers?

How many missed open nets?

The best player in the world beat us with an ahl team. We were garbage.

Thomas line was pretty good but

Schenn, neighbors, snuggerud, did they even play.

You MIGHT want to pause and contemplate what you're typing.

Blues did not play like trash and that was not a garbage effort. That was a highly competitive game.

Oilers got behind the defense often because it was McDavid. Blues got behind their defense, too.

AHL team? Well, the Blues had a 19 year old, a 20 year old, a 22 year old (barely 22), and two 23 year olds. Two forwards with virtually no NHL game experience taking regular shifts for much of the game.

McDavid IS one of the best players in the world. Not his first rodeo, he has many victims.

Yes, not getting supplemental scoring beyond the first line is a problem right now.

It's amazing what this team has done missing Parakyo. I knew they would miss Hollaway but didn't realize how much. Without him they really only have one line that can sustain pressure. With him they had two lines pressuring and scoring. Parakyo will be back. Hollaway might be back. A benefit to the Blues is that they will have a week off. A week for Montgomery to practice like the 4 Nations break.

[diehardbluesfan1]

We played like trash and kept it close.

How many times were they behind our defense tonight?

How many abysmal turnovers?

How many missed open nets?

The best player in the world beat us with an ahl team. We were garbage.

Thomas line was pretty good but

Schenn, neighbors, snuggerud, did they even play.

You MIGHT want to pause and contemplate what you're typing.

Blues did not play like trash and that was not a garbage effort. That was a highly competitive game.

Oilers got behind the defense often because it was McDavid. Blues got behind their defense, too.

AHL team? Well, the Blues had a 19 year old, a 20 year old, a 22 year old (barely 22), and two 23 year olds. Two forwards with virtually no NHL game experience taking regular shifts for much of the game.

McDavid IS one of the best players in the world. Not his first rodeo, he has many victims.

Yes, not getting supplemental scoring beyond the first line is a problem right now.

Nope I’m happy with my post and yes it was a garbage effort. Look at the puck support and stupid turnovers.

[DawgDad]

We played like trash and kept it close.

How many times were they behind our defense tonight?

How many abysmal turnovers?

How many missed open nets?

The best player in the world beat us with an ahl team. We were garbage.

Thomas line was pretty good but

Schenn, neighbors, snuggerud, did they even play.

You MIGHT want to pause and contemplate what you're typing.

Blues did not play like trash and that was not a garbage effort. That was a highly competitive game.

Oilers got behind the defense often because it was McDavid. Blues got behind their defense, too.

AHL team? Well, the Blues had a 19 year old, a 20 year old, a 22 year old (barely 22), and two 23 year olds. Two forwards with virtually no NHL game experience taking regular shifts for much of the game.

McDavid IS one of the best players in the world. Not his first rodeo, he has many victims.

Yes, not getting supplemental scoring beyond the first line is a problem right now.

It's amazing what this team has done missing Parakyo. I knew they would miss Hollaway but didn't realize how much. Without him they really only have one line that can sustain pressure. With him they had two lines pressuring and scoring. Parakyo will be back. Hollaway might be back. A benefit to the Blues is that they will have a week off. A week for Montgomery to practice like the 4 Nations break.

The time off will help only if they make the playoffs. They might get a practice in before each of these last two games but there will likely be maintenance guys. They really could use some practices with Dvorsky and Snuggerud. Schenn, though, needs rest.

It was hard watching replays of that goal scored at the end with Schenn's #10 on the back of his uniform right in the middle of the picture effectively taking himself out of the play leaving the front of the crease uncovered. A veteran center there has to be engaged in doing something, Schenn seems to have lost the half-step or step he needs to be . . . Schenn. I don't think there is a fix for that, Holloway was the attack dog at both ends.

[WeWentBlues0819]

We played like trash and kept it close.

How many times were they behind our defense tonight?

How many abysmal turnovers?

How many missed open nets?

The best player in the world beat us with an ahl team. We were garbage.

Thomas line was pretty good but

Schenn, neighbors, snuggerud, did they even play.

You MIGHT want to pause and contemplate what you're typing.

Blues did not play like trash and that was not a garbage effort. That was a highly competitive game.

Oilers got behind the defense often because it was McDavid. Blues got behind their defense, too.

AHL team? Well, the Blues had a 19 year old, a 20 year old, a 22 year old (barely 22), and two 23 year olds. Two forwards with virtually no NHL game experience taking regular shifts for much of the game.

McDavid IS one of the best players in the world. Not his first rodeo, he has many victims.

Yes, not getting supplemental scoring beyond the first line is a problem right now.

Nope I’m happy with my post and yes it was a garbage effort. Look at the puck support and stupid turnovers.

The two things are also not mutually exclusive. Obviously things could have gone differently if the Blues played better. But that does not change the fact that the refs directly cost the Blues 1, probably 2 points. Putting your head in the sand and pretending like the refs did not just directly hurt the Blues chances at making the playoffs does not make you a better or smarter fan.

Given the circumstances and the ensuing Edmonton goal, it is one of the most brutal ref moments for the Blues in the past decade. Maybe 2nd only to the hand pass non call.

[BrummerStealsHome]

We played like trash and kept it close.

How many times were they behind our defense tonight?

How many abysmal turnovers?

How many missed open nets?

The best player in the world beat us with an ahl team. We were garbage.

Thomas line was pretty good but

Schenn, neighbors, snuggerud, did they even play.

You MIGHT want to pause and contemplate what you're typing.

Blues did not play like trash and that was not a garbage effort. That was a highly competitive game.

Oilers got behind the defense often because it was McDavid. Blues got behind their defense, too.

AHL team? Well, the Blues had a 19 year old, a 20 year old, a 22 year old (barely 22), and two 23 year olds. Two forwards with virtually no NHL game experience taking regular shifts for much of the game.

McDavid IS one of the best players in the world. Not his first rodeo, he has many victims.

Yes, not getting supplemental scoring beyond the first line is a problem right now.

Nope I’m happy with my post and yes it was a garbage effort. Look at the puck support and stupid turnovers.

The two things are also not mutually exclusive. Obviously things could have gone differently if the Blues played better. But that does not change the fact that the refs directly cost the Blues 1, probably 2 points. Putting your head in the sand and pretending like the refs did not just directly hurt the Blues chances at making the playoffs does not make you a better or smarter fan.

Given the circumstances and the ensuing Edmonton goal, it is one of the most brutal ref moments for the Blues in the past decade. Maybe 2nd only to the hand pass non call.

Agreed. This kind of thing comes up in every conversation that involves the name Don Denkinger. No sporting event is perfectly played by a given team. Teams can play at the top of their game but come out on the wrong end of the score. It happens in sport. Teams can play games below their standard, and still win. That happens in sport, too. The crux of the matter is that the Blues were in a position to get a point, perhaps 2, in a critical game. A terrible officiating call late had a direct impact on the outcome of the game. That is tough to take.

[callitwhatyouwant]

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The time off will help only if they make the playoffs. They might get a practice in before each of these last two games but there will likely be maintenance guys. They really could use some practices with Dvorsky and Snuggerud. Schenn, though, needs rest.

It was hard watching replays of that goal scored at the end with Schenn's #10 on the back of his uniform right in the middle of the picture effectively taking himself out of the play leaving the front of the crease uncovered. A veteran center there has to be engaged in doing something, Schenn seems to have lost the half-step or step he needs to be . . . Schenn. I don't think there is a fix for that, Holloway was the attack dog at both ends.
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You aren't wrong about Schenn. But I'm not sure if it's as much he lost a step, or it's that he has to play completely different now than when he had Holloway and Kyrou. Schenn was clearly enabling that line. He took a more defensive approach and played his direct style and let those 2 turn and burn. It was great chemistry. It lasted like 30 games. It was probably the best line of hockey we have seen in 3 years. Schenn has to get more offensive now. especially if they are going to stay with that Kyrou Thomas Buchy line. If they do that, Schenn and Neighbours are going to have to go hit somebody and look to score. I think relying on Snuggs to be that guy would be a mistake. I'm curious what the risk reward would be to move bolduc up, and then let snuggs and seemingly joseph play with sunny. Sunny is very responsible defensively, but doesn't have the offensive skillset. Would it be bad to let the guys who have been playing here all season just take over the top 6 instead of having Snuggs learning with Schenn? It probably hurts Snuggs game this season, but might give us the juice we need to get 2 lines going again.

[seattleblue]

Guys. On Suter's goal, Skinner took a headshot off the draw (no call) and Robert Thomas BLATANTLY grabbed his jersey which directly resulted in the 2-on-1 and the entire building and telecast audience saw it and was shown it.

Also. Let's do a cursory review of this sport. Some calls are bad calls going your way and some calls go against you. They obviously called the McDavid penalty 3 seconds after the Walker one out of game management. (They would have let that go if Walker weren't in the box.) Game management sucks when it works against you but it is a straight up fact of life.

Moreover after watching the Blues fail so many years in a row before succeeding it became very obvious that bad calls are built in, but it's resilience to negative momentum that defines a champion. If we want to aim to be champions, I suggest embracing championship ethic and not whining about a no call that, in all honesty we would have been screaming was a clean play if it were all playing out in reverse.

It's also hard to argue the refs have screwed the Blues over this season.

[Bluesfan1978]

Last night shouldn’t have came down to a call or non call. With the amount of players not playing for Edmonton and the severity of needing to win I was hoping especially with Suters goal that this was going to be a 4 or 5 goal win.
But to your point the mindset should always be that our wins and losses come down to us not 1 or two calls.

[WeWentBlues0819]

Last night shouldn’t have came down to a call or non call. With the amount of players not playing for Edmonton and the severity of needing to win I was hoping especially with Suters goal that this was going to be a 4 or 5 goal win.
But to your point the mindset should always be that our wins and losses come down to us not 1 or two calls.

Again, not mutually exclusive.

Fact- the Blues could have played well enough to win despite the officiating.

Also indisputable fact- the refs cost us at least a point.

[seattleblue]

(it's being literally disputed, both in and of itself and as an approach)