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imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:06 pm OK, that was concerning, particularly after his horrific spring (which we are told does not really count).
The Twins start was uneven at best. Yesterday was a disaster, despite 9 SO's. He is getting hit harder than anyone else on staff. His ERA is 5.73.
Alarmist or sound the alarm?

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:18 pm 1 bad inning in 2 starts?

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:15 pm His first start was about what I expected. Second start was actually really good until he went out there for the seventh. I think Marmol was trying to hard to save the bullpen on that one.

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:06 pm OK, that was concerning, particularly after his horrific spring (which we are told does not really count).
The Twins start was uneven at best. Yesterday was a disaster, despite 9 SO's. He is getting hit harder than anyone else on staff. His ERA is 5.73.
Alarmist or sound the alarm?

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:22 pm Should've been pulled, this early in the season, after six when his line of 6 IP/ 1 ER would've been very good.

Poor managing, I'm not concerned about Gray.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:21 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:15 pm His first start was about what I expected. Second start was actually really good until he went out there for the seventh. I think Marmol was trying to hard to save the bullpen on that one.

+1 he is not a seven inning starter he is 5 or 6 then pull him

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:22 pm Should've been pulled, this early in the season, after six when his line of 6 IP/ 1 ER would've been very good.

Poor managing, I'm not concerned about Gray.

ramfandan wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:33 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:22 pm Should've been pulled, this early in the season, after six when his line of 6 IP/ 1 ER would've been very good.

Poor managing, I'm not concerned about Gray.

Agree with you ! Six innings was fine. When Oli went out to the mound, he must have been asking if he was feeling tired and told 'No'
Oli deferred to the veteran. If Gray had been any other pitcher , Oli would have just pulled him .
So Oli gave his top arm the benefit of the doubt and bingo wouldn't you know it got burned with the grand slam .
The old ' the manager took the guy out one pitch too late' thing.
Now that Oli was burned , if Gray would start a 7th inning next time (which unsure if Oi would ) , you can bet if even the first batter gets on base .. walk , scratch hit, blooper Oli will pull him right then and there.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:30 pm I see you've got your fist out, say your piece and get out
Yes, I get the gist of it, but it's alright
Sorry that you feel that way, the only thing there is to say
Every silver lining's got a touch of grey
I will get by

ramfandan wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:33 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:22 pm Should've been pulled, this early in the season, after six when his line of 6 IP/ 1 ER would've been very good.

Poor managing, I'm not concerned about Gray.

Agree with you ! Six innings was fine. When Oli went out to the mound, he must have been asking if he was feeling tired and told 'No'
Oli deferred to the veteran. If Gray had been any other pitcher , Oli would have just pulled him .
So Oli gave his top arm the benefit of the doubt and bingo wouldn't you know it got burned with the grand slam .
The old ' the manager took the guy out one pitch too late' thing.
Now that Oli was burned , if Gray would start a 7th inning next time (which unsure if Oi would ) , you can bet if even the first batter gets on base .. walk , scratch hit, blooper Oli will pull him right then and there.