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Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 11:22 am
by Shady
Who are you surprised that's not on this list? Ted Simmons maybe? https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/ra ... b8b7&ei=11

Re: Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 11:26 am
by OldRed
I would flop him and Brock. That would make Albert #4 and Brock #5.

Re: Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 11:29 am
by Shady
OldRed wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:26 am I would flop him and Brock. That would make Albert #4 and Brock #5.
Was Hornsby really an even better RH hitter than Pujols? Wonder if Hornsby faced the pitching velocity that Pujols did. Hornsby did have some eye-popping batting averages.

Re: Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 11:41 am
by rockondlouie
Big fan of L. Brock but A. Pujols absolutely goes ahead of Lou.

Stan the Man---Hornsby---Gibby---Albert

Outside of the Yankees, not sure another franchise can match that quartet. :D

Re: Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 11:50 am
by Looksgoodonyouthough
rockondlouie wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:41 am Big fan of L. Brock but A. Pujols absolutely goes ahead of Lou.

Stan the Man---Hornsby---Gibby---Albert

Outside of the Yankees, not sure another franchise can match that quartet. :D

Agree 100%. By today’s standards that about a $2b dollar investment for BDW if MO’s ego could take the leadership qualities these 4 bring.

Re: Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 11:52 am
by rockondlouie
Looksgoodonyouthough wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:50 am
rockondlouie wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:41 am Big fan of L. Brock but A. Pujols absolutely goes ahead of Lou.

Stan the Man---Hornsby---Gibby---Albert

Outside of the Yankees, not sure another franchise can match that quartet. :D

Agree 100%. By today’s standards that about a $2b dollar investment for BDW if MO’s ego could take the leadership qualities these 4 bring.
I can't even imagine what those four would command in today's MLB when they hit free agency given what J. Soto just got and Vlad, Jr is asking for.

$2B may be too low. 8O

Re: Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 11:53 am
by sikeston bulldog2
It’s Musial Albert. Then Gibby as he was a pitcher.

Re: Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 11:55 am
by 1_12_1968
Shady wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:29 am
OldRed wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:26 am I would flop him and Brock. That would make Albert #4 and Brock #5.
Was Hornsby really an even better RH hitter than Pujols? Wonder if Hornsby faced the pitching velocity that Pujols did. Hornsby did have some eye-popping batting averages.
I hate post like this. Hornsby faced the best players of his era and did things nobody did before or after.

Re: Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 11:56 am
by 1_12_1968
rockondlouie wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:41 am Big fan of L. Brock but A. Pujols absolutely goes ahead of Lou.

Stan the Man---Hornsby---Gibby---Albert

Outside of the Yankees, not sure another franchise can match that quartet. :D
Stan, Hornsby, Gibson, Albert, Ozzie, Lou, Medwick, ....the rest of the HOFers, and red jackets.

Re: Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 11:59 am
by Monsieur De Treville
Shady wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:29 am
OldRed wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:26 am I would flop him and Brock. That would make Albert #4 and Brock #5.
Was Hornsby really an even better RH hitter than Pujols? Wonder if Hornsby faced the pitching velocity that Pujols did. Hornsby did have some eye-popping batting averages.
Judge them against their competition.

Hornsby the only player to hit 40 HR while batting .400 in a single season. Hornsby won two Triple Crowns. For 5 straight seasons Hornsby's cumulative BA was .400.

Hornsby remains the greatest RH hitter in MLB history.

Re: Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 12:03 pm
by Monsieur De Treville
Shady wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:22 am Who are you surprised that's not on this list? Ted Simmons maybe? https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/ra ... b8b7&ei=11
It's a stupid list. Purposely stupid.

Where is Dizzy Dean? Joe Medwick? Simmons & Yadi? And I love Brock, but he was nowhere near the player Albert was. And Flood was a childhood favorite, but he doesn't belong on this list. Edmonds was better. Boyer may just be my All Time favorite, but he doesn't belong here either.

Re: Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 12:05 pm
by Monsieur De Treville
1_12_1968 wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:55 am
Shady wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:29 am
OldRed wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:26 am I would flop him and Brock. That would make Albert #4 and Brock #5.
Was Hornsby really an even better RH hitter than Pujols? Wonder if Hornsby faced the pitching velocity that Pujols did. Hornsby did have some eye-popping batting averages.
I hate post like this. Hornsby faced the best players of his era and did things nobody did before or after.
My point exactly. Hornsby dominated the 20's like no other NL player and second place is amazingly distant.

Re: Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 12:07 pm
by Shady
1_12_1968 wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:55 am
Shady wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:29 am
OldRed wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:26 am I would flop him and Brock. That would make Albert #4 and Brock #5.
Was Hornsby really an even better RH hitter than Pujols? Wonder if Hornsby faced the pitching velocity that Pujols did. Hornsby did have some eye-popping batting averages.
I hate post like this. Hornsby faced the best players of his era and did things nobody did before or after.
Wonder how the players of Hornsby's era compared to the players of Pujols' era. Especially, the pitching with more of the bullpen emphasis in Pujols' era.

Re: Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 12:09 pm
by Looksgoodonyouthough
Monsieur De Treville wrote: 29 Mar 2025 12:03 pm
Shady wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:22 am Who are you surprised that's not on this list? Ted Simmons maybe? https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/ra ... b8b7&ei=11
It's a stupid list. Purposely stupid.

Where is Dizzy Dean? Joe Medwick? Simmons & Yadi? And I love Brock, but he was nowhere near the player Albert was. And Flood was a childhood favorite, but he doesn't belong on this list. Edmonds was better. Boyer may just be my All Time favorite, but he doesn't belong here either.

FWIW, I hear you MDT. But it’s mindless fun with such a great historical franchise. Good baseball discussions on Simba vs Yadi example. I agree though, as much as I love Flood from my childhood I’ll take JE as my CF’r,

Re: Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 12:13 pm
by Cusecards
Agree on Stan/Hornsby/Gibson/Albert
I understand the sentiment toward Albert who was a generational hitter.
But I have read many who have called Hornsby the greatest RH of All Time!
Over a five year period in his prime he AVERAGED:
.402
29 HR’s
120 RBI’s

Re: Shouldn't Pujols be at #3 on this list of the ten greatest Cardinals?

Posted: 29 Mar 2025 12:13 pm
by Melville
1_12_1968 wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:55 am
Shady wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:29 am
OldRed wrote: 29 Mar 2025 11:26 am I would flop him and Brock. That would make Albert #4 and Brock #5.
Was Hornsby really an even better RH hitter than Pujols? Wonder if Hornsby faced the pitching velocity that Pujols did. Hornsby did have some eye-popping batting averages.
I hate post like this. Hornsby faced the best players of his era and did things nobody did before or after.
He hit over .400 across a 5 year period.
The greatest accomplishment by any hitter in history.