Marmol said Monday that the club is discussing using a six-man rotation

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Marmol said Monday that the club is discussing using a six-man rotation

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Cardinals manager Oliver Marmol said Monday that the club is discussing using a six-man rotation to begin the season, with McGreevy serving as the sixth starter, John Denton of MLB.com reports.

Utilizing a six-man rotation would add a spot for McGreevy, who could swing back-and-forth between starting and relieving, per Denton. Utilizing a six-man rotation would add a spot for McGreevy, who could swing back-and-forth between starting and relieving, per Denton.

That's one way to keep McGreevy.
We shall see....

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseb ... -rotation/
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Please don't screw with McGreevy 8O
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When they finally push Matz to the bullpen, the 6-man also opens a spot for Libby to start ... and answer the question.

They also should've traded Fedde and opened a spot. What they should do and what they do are 2 different things.
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Does this mean it’s Matz and Mik. Instead of five and jettison one, they add a slot to each nclude both.
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With a day off per week to start the season, this means one start per week each, or once every 7 days. That's too long to get a starting pitcher into a rhythm for the year. Stop screwing around and just pick the 5 starters to go with. He risks screwing up everybody because he can't make a damned decision.
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A person would think that, either Fedde or Matz or both could be dealt before opening day, opening up spots for McGreevy and Liberatore, but as I’ve said before, they just don’t do anything that would make sense to do. Anything that makes good sense to most of us fans, isn’t even on their radar! It’s just ridiculous how warped their thinking and strategies are!
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BrummerStealsHome wrote: 17 Mar 2025 11:15 am With a day off per week to start the season, this means one start per week each, or once every 7 days. That's too long to get a starting pitcher into a rhythm for the year. Stop screwing around and just pick the 5 starters to go with. He risks screwing up everybody because he can't make a damned decision.
On the other hand, depending on how long they do it, it wouldn’t be the worst thing. Our top 3 starters would go against

Minnesota
Boston
Philadelphia
New York Mets
Atlanta (1)
Milwaukee (2)
Cincinnati (2)

our bottom 3 would go against
LA Angels
Pittsburgh
Houston
Atlanta (2)
Milwaukee (1)
Cincinnati (2)

of course that’s a good thing only if they aligned the top 3 starters right and the bottom 3 starters right. If it’s Gray-Mikolas-Matz top 3 to open, it would be terrible.
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Futuregm2 wrote: 17 Mar 2025 11:26 am
BrummerStealsHome wrote: 17 Mar 2025 11:15 am With a day off per week to start the season, this means one start per week each, or once every 7 days. That's too long to get a starting pitcher into a rhythm for the year. Stop screwing around and just pick the 5 starters to go with. He risks screwing up everybody because he can't make a damned decision.
On the other hand, depending on how long they do it, it wouldn’t be the worst thing. Our top 3 starters would go against

Minnesota
Boston
Philadelphia
New York Mets
Atlanta (1)
Milwaukee (2)
Cincinnati (2)

our bottom 3 would go against
LA Angels
Pittsburgh
Houston
Atlanta (2)
Milwaukee (1)
Cincinnati (2)

of course that’s a good thing only if they aligned the top 3 starters right and the bottom 3 starters right. If it’s Gray-Mikolas-Matz top 3 to open, it would be terrible.
Interesting input.
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Futuregm2 wrote: 17 Mar 2025 11:26 am
BrummerStealsHome wrote: 17 Mar 2025 11:15 am With a day off per week to start the season, this means one start per week each, or once every 7 days. That's too long to get a starting pitcher into a rhythm for the year. Stop screwing around and just pick the 5 starters to go with. He risks screwing up everybody because he can't make a damned decision.
On the other hand, depending on how long they do it, it wouldn’t be the worst thing. Our top 3 starters would go against

Minnesota
Boston
Philadelphia
New York Mets
Atlanta (1)
Milwaukee (2)
Cincinnati (2)

our bottom 3 would go against
LA Angels
Pittsburgh
Houston
Atlanta (2)
Milwaukee (1)
Cincinnati (2)

of course that’s a good thing only if they aligned the top 3 starters right and the bottom 3 starters right. If it’s Gray-Mikolas-Matz top 3 to open, it would be terrible.
I hear you, but this is not a video game or Strat-O-Matic, but a game played by real men played on real grass. Broadly speaking, the best interval for the major league starting pitcher is 5 days. I want our starters to be at their best no matter the opponent.
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BrummerStealsHome wrote: 17 Mar 2025 11:37 am
Futuregm2 wrote: 17 Mar 2025 11:26 am
BrummerStealsHome wrote: 17 Mar 2025 11:15 am With a day off per week to start the season, this means one start per week each, or once every 7 days. That's too long to get a starting pitcher into a rhythm for the year. Stop screwing around and just pick the 5 starters to go with. He risks screwing up everybody because he can't make a damned decision.
On the other hand, depending on how long they do it, it wouldn’t be the worst thing. Our top 3 starters would go against

Minnesota
Boston
Philadelphia
New York Mets
Atlanta (1)
Milwaukee (2)
Cincinnati (2)

our bottom 3 would go against
LA Angels
Pittsburgh
Houston
Atlanta (2)
Milwaukee (1)
Cincinnati (2)

of course that’s a good thing only if they aligned the top 3 starters right and the bottom 3 starters right. If it’s Gray-Mikolas-Matz top 3 to open, it would be terrible.
I hear you, but this is not a video game or Strat-O-Matic, but a game played by real men played on real grass. Broadly speaking, the best interval for the major league starting pitcher is 5 days. I want our starters to be at their best no matter the opponent.
True
Also to start the season you have lower pitch counts to get guys acclimated.
If that limits guys to 4 innings by going with 6 starters not sure the BP can hold up??
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wkycards wrote: 17 Mar 2025 10:57 am Cardinals manager Oliver Marmol said Monday that the club is discussing using a six-man rotation to begin the season, with McGreevy serving as the sixth starter, John Denton of MLB.com reports.

Utilizing a six-man rotation would add a spot for McGreevy, who could swing back-and-forth between starting and relieving, per Denton. Utilizing a six-man rotation would add a spot for McGreevy, who could swing back-and-forth between starting and relieving, per Denton.

That's one way to keep McGreevy.
We shall see....

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseb ... -rotation/
If he's a starter, let him start. If he's a reliever, let him relieve.

Why do we keep mucking with our young players?

Can't wait for Oli to be gone! I'm betting big money this is his last season as an mlb manager!
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wkycards wrote: 17 Mar 2025 10:57 am Cardinals manager Oliver Marmol said Monday that the club is discussing using a six-man rotation to begin the season, with McGreevy serving as the sixth starter, John Denton of MLB.com reports.

Utilizing a six-man rotation would add a spot for McGreevy, who could swing back-and-forth between starting and relieving, per Denton. Utilizing a six-man rotation would add a spot for McGreevy, who could swing back-and-forth between starting and relieving, per Denton.

That's one way to keep McGreevy.
We shall see....

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseb ... -rotation/
If they refuse to move Matz, then a 6 man rotation is the way to go. McGreevy has to be in the rotation. I disagree with splitting him between rotation/pen. We've already seen them screw up guys like Liberatore, Z. Thompson, etc. (Maybe C. Martinez and A. Reyes going farther back). Please don't do this to another promising starter.
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When starters actually went 6-7+ innings I was completely against the 6 -man.

But starting the last few years, with starters barely getting past the 5th inning, I've warned up to it.

Gray
Fedde
Pallante
Mikolas
Matz
McGreevey

Push them deeper into games since they have an extra days rest.
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rockondlouie wrote: 17 Mar 2025 13:12 pm When starters actually went 6-7+ innings I was completely against the 6 -man.

But starting the last few years, with starters barely getting past the 5th inning, I've warned up to it.

Gray
Fedde
Pallante
Mikolas
Matz
McGreevey

Push them deeper into games since they have an extra days rest.
There is zero chance The Marrmot would do that.
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wkycards wrote: 17 Mar 2025 10:57 am Cardinals manager Oliver Marmol said Monday that the club is discussing using a six-man rotation to begin the season, with McGreevy serving as the sixth starter, John Denton of MLB.com reports.

Utilizing a six-man rotation would add a spot for McGreevy, who could swing back-and-forth between starting and relieving, per Denton. Utilizing a six-man rotation would add a spot for McGreevy, who could swing back-and-forth between starting and relieving, per Denton.

That's one way to keep McGreevy.
We shall see....

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseb ... -rotation/
Not a fan of a 6-man rotation.
But, I do like this idea.
It allows McGreevy and Pallante to remain in the rotation, while letting Mikolas, Matz, and Fedde establish and demonstrate trade value to other teams.
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Melville wrote: 17 Mar 2025 13:26 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 17 Mar 2025 13:12 pm When starters actually went 6-7+ innings I was completely against the 6 -man.

But starting the last few years, with starters barely getting past the 5th inning, I've warned up to it.

Gray
Fedde
Pallante
Mikolas
Matz
McGreevey

Push them deeper into games since they have an extra days rest.
There is zero chance The Marrmot would do that.
Not smart enough? I agree.
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