What happens in a Pitching Lab

[sikeston bulldog2]

Good morning. My son in law comes home today from deployment. So neat to see the joy in my baby girls eyes.

So there’s that.

What happens in a pitching lab, anyone know?

For a nstance, who are your instructors?
Do you use your teams lab if they have one?
Can you use another lab at your expense?
How much it cost?

What’s the procedure in a lab?
How long do pitchers visit a lab?

I’m serious I have zero clue. Any answers.

[passthebuck]

There are videos on u tube that show Wake Forest and LSU pitching labs. Might start there.

[sikeston bulldog2]

There are videos on u tube that show Wake Forest and LSU pitching labs. Might start there.

Thank you sir.

[HorseTrader]

You see you have this guy with really wild hair. He's the main guy, he tells them to add a little of this, a drop of that and so. Then you have this explosion. Out that explosion comes a pitcher who can throw 150 mph but has zero idea where the balls going. The old guy throws in a little more of that and lot of this and poof, you a curve ball........ well that's the way the Cards have been trying to do it.

[Futuregm2]

You see you have this guy with really wild hair. He's the main guy, he tells them to add a little of this, a drop of that and so. Then you have this explosion. Out that explosion comes a pitcher who can throw 150 mph but has zero idea where the balls going. The old guy throws in a little more of that and lot of this and poof, you a curve ball........ well that's the way the Cards have been trying to do it.

[sikeston bulldog2]

You see you have this guy with really wild hair. He's the main guy, he tells them to add a little of this, a drop of that and so. Then you have this explosion. Out that explosion comes a pitcher who can throw 150 mph but has zero idea where the balls going. The old guy throws in a little more of that and lot of this and poof, you a curve ball........ well that's the way the Cards have been trying to do it.

The LSU lab is a converted batting cage. It isn’t very high tech it seemed.

[NYCardsFan]

Dog, if you’re curious, here’s Andre Pallante working out at Tread Athletics. Just one example of a guy you know. Of course, what’s not shown is the work they do with the data outside the sessions that informs the training.

https://youtu.be/2LRKzJ9Yrzc?si=mnMfb4CPo-PXDTaJ

[sikeston bulldog2]

Dog, if you’re curious, here’s Andre Pallante working out at Tread Athletics. Just one example of a guy you know. Of course, what’s not shown is the work they do with the data outside the sessions that informs the training.

https://youtu.be/2LRKzJ9Yrzc?si=mnMfb4CPo-PXDTaJ

Thanx man. I watched it. Now does it cost him to do that or does the team pay.

[An Old Friend]

Dog, if you’re curious, here’s Andre Pallante working out at Tread Athletics. Just one example of a guy you know. Of course, what’s not shown is the work they do with the data outside the sessions that informs the training.

https://youtu.be/2LRKzJ9Yrzc?si=mnMfb4CPo-PXDTaJ

Thanx man. I watched it. Now does it cost him to do that or does the team pay.

That’s paid out of pocket by players. I’ve suggested that the Cardinals subsidize this in the offseason for their pitchers since they don’t have a lab of their own.

As for what happens - lots of stuff. They do a lot of biomechanical work and study. A friend of mine did this for the Brewers starting in 2003. They put censors all over to see where they might be holding themselves back or creating too much stress. He said even back then they had research backing up the predictive nature of elbow and shoulder injuries.

They are now hyper focused on high speed camera work and spin data. First figure out optimal mechanics for your body type, then work on developing and shaping the pitches that work best with your arm angle, leg drive, extension, pronation, etc.

All kinds work there - trainers, engineers, former players, coaches… baseball nerds with no clear resume as to why they should be there.

The stuff they can do and measure is really cool. Every aspiring player should visit them. Fedde talked about how it helped him reclaim his career - he’d never done lab work until he washed out of the league. Only then did he realize he needed it, then put to work what he’d learned in Japan to make it back to the majors.

[VegasVinny]

Dog, if you’re curious, here’s Andre Pallante working out at Tread Athletics. Just one example of a guy you know. Of course, what’s not shown is the work they do with the data outside the sessions that informs the training.

https://youtu.be/2LRKzJ9Yrzc?si=mnMfb4CPo-PXDTaJ

Thanx man. I watched it. Now does it cost him to do that or does the team pay.

That’s paid out of pocket by players. I’ve suggested that the Cardinals subsidize this in the offseason for their pitchers since they don’t have a lab of their own.

As for what happens - lots of stuff. They do a lot of biomechanical work and study. A friend of mine did this for the Brewers starting in 2003. They put censors all over to see where they might be holding themselves back or creating too much stress. He said even back then they had research backing up the predictive nature of elbow and shoulder injuries.

They are now hyper focused on high speed camera work and spin data. First figure out optimal mechanics for your body type, then work on developing and shaping the pitches that work best with your arm angle, leg drive, extension, pronation, etc.

All kinds work there - trainers, engineers, former players, coaches… baseball nerds with no clear resume as to why they should be there.

The stuff they can do and measure is really cool. Every aspiring player should visit them. Fedde talked about how it helped him reclaim his career - he’d never done lab work until he washed out of the league. Only then did he realize he needed it, then put to work what he’d learned in Japan to make it back to the majors.

Great synopsis. Well put.

Bulldog: Charlie Morton is a prime example of a pitcher whose career took off as a result of this. He was a pitcher with pedestrian stuff in Pittsburgh's then-antiquated system. He eventually got to Houston, which had a much more advanced biomechanical setup, and they told him to stop throwing 88 mph sinkers across the plate. Morton's K/9 rate spiked once the tech feedback informed a more modern approach to pitching and it helped him literally earn an extra $120 million.

Fedde hasn't seen quite the jump in K/9 that Morton did, but he certainly re-invented himself while in Korea and it's much of the reason I'm bullish on him replicating his most recent results moving forward.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Dog, if you’re curious, here’s Andre Pallante working out at Tread Athletics. Just one example of a guy you know. Of course, what’s not shown is the work they do with the data outside the sessions that informs the training.

https://youtu.be/2LRKzJ9Yrzc?si=mnMfb4CPo-PXDTaJ

Thanx man. I watched it. Now does it cost him to do that or does the team pay.

That’s paid out of pocket by players. I’ve suggested that the Cardinals subsidize this in the offseason for their pitchers since they don’t have a lab of their own.

As for what happens - lots of stuff. They do a lot of biomechanical work and study. A friend of mine did this for the Brewers starting in 2003. They put censors all over to see where they might be holding themselves back or creating too much stress. He said even back then they had research backing up the predictive nature of elbow and shoulder injuries.

They are now hyper focused on high speed camera work and spin data. First figure out optimal mechanics for your body type, then work on developing and shaping the pitches that work best with your arm angle, leg drive, extension, pronation, etc.

All kinds work there - trainers, engineers, former players, coaches… baseball nerds with no clear resume as to why they should be there.

The stuff they can do and measure is really cool. Every aspiring player should visit them. Fedde talked about how it helped him reclaim his career - he’d never done lab work until he washed out of the league. Only then did he realize he needed it, then put to work what he’d learned in Japan to make it back to the majors.

Great synopsis. Well put.

Bulldog: Charlie Morton is a prime example of a pitcher whose career took off as a result of this. He was a pitcher with pedestrian stuff in Pittsburgh's then-antiquated system. He eventually got to Houston, which had a much more advanced biomechanical setup, and they told him to stop throwing 88 mph sinkers across the plate. Morton's K/9 rate spiked once the tech feedback informed a more modern approach to pitching and it helped him literally earn an extra $120 million.

Fedde hasn't seen quite the jump in K/9 that Morton did, but he certainly re-invented himself while in Korea and it's much of the reason I'm bullish on him replicating his most recent results moving forward.

Thanx for ur time. Good write. I watched a video of a lab fron an earlier post. Quite interesting.

[JDW]

Was hoping AOF would chime in with this topic as he probably has as much or more knowledge about this topic as anyone on here.
Watched a kid workout for scouts on youtube at one of these labs recently that then a couple weeks later got signed by the Tigers. Had a nice mix of pitches and a knuckleball the C was having lots of trouble catching.
Was glad to learn the local high school can go to bigger HS or college facilities, where they can learn their velo, spin rates, etc. with their pitches and then get feedback from college coaches or others.

[An Old Friend]

Was hoping AOF would chime in with this topic as he probably has as much or more knowledge about this topic as anyone on here.
Watched a kid workout for scouts on youtube at one of these labs recently that then a couple weeks later got signed by the Tigers. Had a nice mix of pitches and a knuckleball the C was having lots of trouble catching.
Was glad to learn the local high school can go to bigger HS or college facilities, where they can learn their velo, spin rates, etc. with their pitches and then get feedback from college coaches or others.

Was that the kid throwing like an 87 MPH knuckleball??

[Goldfan]

Just imagine how good Koufax, Gibson, Seaver, Carlton, Drysdale, Marichal, Maddux, Pedro, Johnson, Clemens……would have Been with a pitching lab
Probably would never allow a hit…….if only

[JDW]

Was hoping AOF would chime in with this topic as he probably has as much or more knowledge about this topic as anyone on here.
Watched a kid workout for scouts on youtube at one of these labs recently that then a couple weeks later got signed by the Tigers. Had a nice mix of pitches and a knuckleball the C was having lots of trouble catching.
Was glad to learn the local high school can go to bigger HS or college facilities, where they can learn their velo, spin rates, etc. with their pitches and then get feedback from college coaches or others.

Was that the kid throwing like an 87 MPH knuckleball??

Yes, Kenny Serwa, who has both a high velo knuckleball and a slower version at around 78 mph he calls "Yoshi." FB around 94. Curve looked plus.
Just signed this January after show casing at the Tread Athletic lab.

[scoutyjones2]

Good morning. My son in law comes home today from deployment. So neat to see the joy in my baby girls eyes.

So there’s that.

What happens in a pitching lab, anyone know?

For a nstance, who are your instructors?
Do you use your teams lab if they have one?
Can you use another lab at your expense?
How much it cost?

What’s the procedure in a lab?
How long do pitchers visit a lab?

I’m serious I have zero clue. Any answers.

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