Mets offer Pete Alonso a 3-year, $90M deal

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Re: Mets offer Pete Alonso a 3-year, $90M deal

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Sorry, I don't believe any team hit the eggnog hard enough to offer Pete 3/$90M. Looking around the web the only mention is by less than credible sites--SI, NY Post, Sportskeeda for christsakes.

otoh if the offer is solid he should grab it.
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Re: Mets offer Pete Alonso a 3-year, $90M deal

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Re: Mets offer Pete Alonso a 3-year, $90M deal

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mattmitchl44 wrote: 27 Dec 2024 07:51 am
ramfandan wrote: 26 Dec 2024 20:42 pm
Oli's iPad wrote: 26 Dec 2024 20:35 pm Pinch me. This can't be right. :roll:
If true, Pete should sign and say Happy New Year ! He has Lindor and Soto to carry the team. He jus needs to bop a few HRs .
Yeah, he should take that.

He plays 1B, which limits his overall value. The last two years he's only managed 2.8 and 2.1 fWAR, so a $30 million AAV is pretty (drat) generous.
I've been trying to say this!

From October:
An Old Friend wrote: 22 Oct 2024 21:16 pm I don’t think Alonso should get anything over 3 yrs $75MM, and I think that would be an overpay
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Re: Mets offer Pete Alonso a 3-year, $90M deal

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Swuhgen wrote: 27 Dec 2024 09:03 am
12xu wrote: 27 Dec 2024 08:41 am
rockondlouie wrote: 27 Dec 2024 08:30 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: 27 Dec 2024 07:39 am
You make no sense. He should have signed that instantly.
I can't find this so-called "offer" anywhere.

But if it were to become true, then I agree w/you 100% he should sign that immediately.
Of course, if any owner would offer Alonso 30 MM per season, it would be Cohen.
You act like it's some absurd offer. For three years that's a good deal.
Yea, I wouldn’t say a short term slightly higher AAV deal like that is necessarily crazy for a player that has 3 40+ HR seasons and has had 60+ XBH in all 5 full seasons he’s played in.

There is something to durability and if the Mets added Alonso, they would have 3 of the most durable players in baseball. Over the last 3 seasons Juan Soto is 4th in PA (6th in games), Lindor is 5th (5th in games), and Alonso is 9th (3rd in games).
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Re: Mets offer Pete Alonso a 3-year, $90M deal

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An Old Friend wrote: 27 Dec 2024 09:11 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: 27 Dec 2024 07:51 am
ramfandan wrote: 26 Dec 2024 20:42 pm
Oli's iPad wrote: 26 Dec 2024 20:35 pm Pinch me. This can't be right. :roll:
If true, Pete should sign and say Happy New Year ! He has Lindor and Soto to carry the team. He jus needs to bop a few HRs .
Yeah, he should take that.

He plays 1B, which limits his overall value. The last two years he's only managed 2.8 and 2.1 fWAR, so a $30 million AAV is pretty (drat) generous.
I've been trying to say this!

From October:
An Old Friend wrote: 22 Oct 2024 21:16 pm I don’t think Alonso should get anything over 3 yrs $75MM, and I think that would be an overpay
Yeah, Bellinger signed last year for 3 yrs./$80 million, at age 28, coming off a 4.4 fWAR 2023, and he wasn't nailed to having to play 1B. Alonso's career has maybe been more consistent than Bellinger's, but are you offering Alonso more than Bellinger's contract?
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Re: Mets offer Pete Alonso a 3-year, $90M deal

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mattmitchl44 wrote: 27 Dec 2024 09:29 am
An Old Friend wrote: 27 Dec 2024 09:11 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: 27 Dec 2024 07:51 am
ramfandan wrote: 26 Dec 2024 20:42 pm
Oli's iPad wrote: 26 Dec 2024 20:35 pm Pinch me. This can't be right. :roll:
If true, Pete should sign and say Happy New Year ! He has Lindor and Soto to carry the team. He jus needs to bop a few HRs .
Yeah, he should take that.

He plays 1B, which limits his overall value. The last two years he's only managed 2.8 and 2.1 fWAR, so a $30 million AAV is pretty (drat) generous.
I've been trying to say this!

From October:
An Old Friend wrote: 22 Oct 2024 21:16 pm I don’t think Alonso should get anything over 3 yrs $75MM, and I think that would be an overpay
Yeah, Bellinger signed last year for 3 yrs./$80 million, at age 28, coming off a 4.4 fWAR 2023, and he wasn't nailed to having to play 1B. Alonso's career has maybe been more consistent than Bellinger's, but are you offering Alonso more than Bellinger's contract?
Alonso clearly is far ahead of Bellinger in consistency and durability. Alonso is coming off his worst year of his career. Bellinger was coming off his 2nd best fWAR of his career and first remotely decent year in the last four years. Not to mention that Bellinger’s statcast numbers are not good compared to Alonso.

Bellinger’s xSLG (hard hit%) over the last 4 years:

2021: .358 (34.4%)
2022: .354 (38.1%)
2023: .434 (31.4%)
2024: .400 (32.4%)

If Bellinger is making that, then Alonso should get at least $90 million over 3 years IMO.
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Re: Mets offer Pete Alonso a 3-year, $90M deal

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mattmitchl44 wrote: 27 Dec 2024 09:29 am
An Old Friend wrote: 27 Dec 2024 09:11 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: 27 Dec 2024 07:51 am
ramfandan wrote: 26 Dec 2024 20:42 pm
Oli's iPad wrote: 26 Dec 2024 20:35 pm Pinch me. This can't be right. :roll:
If true, Pete should sign and say Happy New Year ! He has Lindor and Soto to carry the team. He jus needs to bop a few HRs .
Yeah, he should take that.

He plays 1B, which limits his overall value. The last two years he's only managed 2.8 and 2.1 fWAR, so a $30 million AAV is pretty (drat) generous.
I've been trying to say this!

From October:
An Old Friend wrote: 22 Oct 2024 21:16 pm I don’t think Alonso should get anything over 3 yrs $75MM, and I think that would be an overpay
Yeah, Bellinger signed last year for 3 yrs./$80 million, at age 28, coming off a 4.4 fWAR 2023, and he wasn't nailed to having to play 1B. Alonso's career has maybe been more consistent than Bellinger's, but are you offering Alonso more than Bellinger's contract?
Well... I'm not.

I see something interesting in his last 4 years:
2021-2022: .267/.348/.518 - .866 OPS / 140 OPS+
2023-2024: .229/.324/.480 - .804 OPS / 123 OPS+

The first player is worth a lot even with defensive deficiencies. The second player is not. It looks like he made one fundamental change after 2022 that doesn't make any sense... he started swinging a lot less at pitches in the zone.
2021-2022: he swung at about 70% of pitches in the strike zone
2023-2024: he swung at about 61% of pitches in the strike zone (2024 was his career low at 59.8%)

His over selectivity in the zone has driven his strikeout rate up and his production down. He's not swinging and missing more. He has cost himself a lot of money by swinging less. That seems easily correctable, I just wonder why this has happened and why it hasn't been addressed.

So, I think he could EASILY get back to his peak production for a few years if he'd just swing more. I could justify the spend leaning on optimism that he'd engage in that approach.
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Re: Mets offer Pete Alonso a 3-year, $90M deal

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Swuhgen wrote: 27 Dec 2024 09:03 am
12xu wrote: 27 Dec 2024 08:41 am
rockondlouie wrote: 27 Dec 2024 08:30 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: 27 Dec 2024 07:39 am
You make no sense. He should have signed that instantly.
I can't find this so-called "offer" anywhere.

But if it were to become true, then I agree w/you 100% he should sign that immediately.
Of course, if any owner would offer Alonso 30 MM per season, it would be Cohen.
You act like it's some absurd offer. For three years that's a good deal.
It's no act. It may not be "absurd", but it is way more than just a good deal.
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Re: Mets offer Pete Alonso a 3-year, $90M deal

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12xu wrote: 27 Dec 2024 08:41 am
rockondlouie wrote: 27 Dec 2024 08:30 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: 27 Dec 2024 07:39 am
You make no sense. He should have signed that instantly.
I can't find this so-called "offer" anywhere.

But if it were to become true, then I agree w/you 100% he should sign that immediately.
Of course, if any owner would offer Alonso 30 MM per season, it would be Cohen.
No doubt, he can blow any ownership other than the Guggenheim Partners (Dodgers) out of the water.
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Re: Mets offer Pete Alonso a 3-year, $90M deal

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rockondlouie wrote: 27 Dec 2024 11:06 am
12xu wrote: 27 Dec 2024 08:41 am
rockondlouie wrote: 27 Dec 2024 08:30 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: 27 Dec 2024 07:39 am
You make no sense. He should have signed that instantly.
I can't find this so-called "offer" anywhere.

But if it were to become true, then I agree w/you 100% he should sign that immediately.
Of course, if any owner would offer Alonso 30 MM per season, it would be Cohen.
No doubt, he can blow any ownership other than the Guggenheim Partners (Dodgers) out of the water.
Cohen.
He is big enough to be more than an ankle biter. I’d say more like a pain in the butt.
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Re: Mets offer Pete Alonso a 3-year, $90M deal

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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 27 Dec 2024 11:08 am
rockondlouie wrote: 27 Dec 2024 11:06 am
12xu wrote: 27 Dec 2024 08:41 am
rockondlouie wrote: 27 Dec 2024 08:30 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: 27 Dec 2024 07:39 am
You make no sense. He should have signed that instantly.
I can't find this so-called "offer" anywhere.

But if it were to become true, then I agree w/you 100% he should sign that immediately.
Of course, if any owner would offer Alonso 30 MM per season, it would be Cohen.
No doubt, he can blow any ownership other than the Guggenheim Partners (Dodgers) out of the water.
Cohen.
He is big enough to be more than an ankle biter. I’d say more like a pain in the butt.
I wish he owned the Cardinals instead of the Mets.

Our cheap a z z owner will never sign a premium free agent.

Instead he's going all "Pirates" on us, seeking to drop the payroll as close to $100M as he can. :x
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