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Reds offer Nick Martinez a QO, which is $21.05 million.

42 G/16 starts
3.10 ERA
110 IP

Pretty surprising for a guy like him and coming from the same Reds team that gave away Gray a few years ago because of money IMO. But I guess they want to keep him around.

Maybe a more surprising one is the Red Sox offering a QO to Nick Pivetta, but they did not issue one to Tyler O’Neill.

and the rich get richer

82birds wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 16:37 pm and the rich get richer

Perhaps on the bright side, if guys like Pivetta are getting $21 million, then a guy like Gray’s or heck a guy like Matz’s/Mikolas’s contract might not be as difficult to move.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 14:56 pm Reds offer Nick Martinez a QO, which is $21.05 million.

42 G/16 starts
3.10 ERA
110 IP

Pretty surprising for a guy like him and coming from the same Reds team that gave away Gray a few years ago because of money IMO. But I guess they want to keep him around.

Well, they already had a player option for him at $12MM so another $9MM for a guy who pitched as well as he did isn't that crazy.

I assume he'll accept it...

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 16:34 pm Maybe a more surprising one is the Red Sox offering a QO to Nick Pivetta, but they did not issue one to Tyler O’Neill.

How could they not give one to the great and wonderful O’Neil???

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 16:46 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 16:34 pm Maybe a more surprising one is the Red Sox offering a QO to Nick Pivetta, but they did not issue one to Tyler O’Neill.

How could they not give one to the great and wonderful O’Neil???

They did offer.
He pulled a muscle sitting to sign and they had second thoughts.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 16:39 pm

82birds wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 16:37 pm and the rich get richer

Perhaps on the bright side, if guys like Pivetta are getting $21 million, then a guy like Gray’s or heck a guy like Matz’s/Mikolas’s contract might not be as difficult to move.

are you saying there's always a bright side?

Absolut wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 16:54 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 16:46 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 16:34 pm Maybe a more surprising one is the Red Sox offering a QO to Nick Pivetta, but they did not issue one to Tyler O’Neill.

How could they not give one to the great and wonderful O’Neil???

They did offer.
He pulled a muscle sitting to sign and they had second thoughts.

Lol

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 16:34 pm Maybe a more surprising one is the Red Sox offering a QO to Nick Pivetta, but they did not issue one to Tyler O’Neill.

Pivetta’s an underrated stud. Both he and Martinez are poised for multi-year deals, so it does make sense to offer them QOs. IMO it’s higher risk to give TO a QO, when there’s a strong chance he could accept and make $20+M, playing 60 games.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 22:31 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 16:34 pm Maybe a more surprising one is the Red Sox offering a QO to Nick Pivetta, but they did not issue one to Tyler O’Neill.

Pivetta’s an underrated stud. Both he and Martinez are poised for multi-year deals, so it does make sense to offer them QOs. IMO it’s higher risk to give TO a QO, when there’s a strong chance he could accept and make $20+M, playing 60 games.

Ehh, I wouldn’t go that far. I like him but he’s just a solid pitcher. He’s never had an ERA under 4, never had more than 10 wins, went 6-12 this year, his FIP is usually 4+, gives up too many HRs. Plus who would give up draft money for Pivetta? Or a Nick Martinez?

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 23:09 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 22:31 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 16:34 pm Maybe a more surprising one is the Red Sox offering a QO to Nick Pivetta, but they did not issue one to Tyler O’Neill.

Pivetta’s an underrated stud. Both he and Martinez are poised for multi-year deals, so it does make sense to offer them QOs. IMO it’s higher risk to give TO a QO, when there’s a strong chance he could accept and make $20+M, playing 60 games.

Ehh, I wouldn’t go that far. I like him but he’s just a solid pitcher. He’s never had an ERA under 4, never had more than 10 wins, went 6-12 this year, his FIP is usually 4+, gives up too many HRs. Plus who would give up draft money for Pivetta? Or a Nick Martinez?

Pivetta has wicked nasty stuff, seriously. He’s better than solid. He’ll do well in FA, and should certainly be hunting for something better than a one year guarantee.

Martinez? Different level, but he could still manage a good 2-3 year deal that’s more appealing than the QO. His versatility will be valued by contenders… more so with the reigning champs setting a new standard with their bullpen. That said, he could still take the sure thing.

Pivetta isn’t taking the QO, so we’ll see who signs him.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 14:56 pm Reds offer Nick Martinez a QO, which is $21.05 million.

42 G/16 starts
3.10 ERA
110 IP

Pretty surprising for a guy like him and coming from the same Reds team that gave away Gray a few years ago because of money IMO. But I guess they want to keep him around.

By doing so, they killed his free agent value, so now they have leverage to sign him to 3 years at say $40 mil.

Or, he can take the deal and have a one-year contract.

Opti

opti mist wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024 05:01 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 14:56 pm Reds offer Nick Martinez a QO, which is $21.05 million.

42 G/16 starts
3.10 ERA
110 IP

Pretty surprising for a guy like him and coming from the same Reds team that gave away Gray a few years ago because of money IMO. But I guess they want to keep him around.

By doing so, they killed his free agent value, so now they have leverage to sign him to 3 years at say $40 mil.

Or, he can take the deal and have a one-year contract.

Opti

If the contract is $40M/3, I see no reason not to accept half the money for 1-year

The Reds have a TON of talent and look primed to make a go at it next year. They lost players to injury throughout the season. Despite their losing record, they scored more runs and allowed fewer runs that the Cardinals.
When they let guys like Gray walk, they were punting until now.
I'd trade rosters with the Reds today.

TXCardsFanX wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024 07:06 am The Reds have a TON of talent and look primed to make a go at it next year. They lost players to injury throughout the season. Despite their losing record, they scored more runs and allowed fewer runs that the Cardinals.
When they let guys like Gray walk, they were punting until now.
I'd trade rosters with the Reds today.

Absolutely. Would trade anyone on this team for Elly and as you said flip rosters.