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Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:51 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:41 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 13:30 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:34 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:06 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:47 pm

rage-STL wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 23:33 pm Nolan Gorman: 20 HR, 15 2B

Thomas Saggese: 10 HR, 20 2B

Anyone else excited about the potential between these two at 3B/2B?

Not particularly

Don't look now but Saggese had better power numbers in milb than Wetherholt.

You're not seriously comparing Saggese (J.A.G.) to a former NCAA batting champion and Top 5 MiLB prospect, right?

He's nowhere near the hitter JJW is and JJ will hit for way more power in MLB than Saggese (J.A.G.) ever will.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... gges000tho

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ther000jj-

I stated a fact. AT 21 Saggese hit 26 HR 111 RBI .306 avg in AA and AAA.

The question is whether Gorman starts. I'd put Saggese there because given 500 plate appearances he would hit as many home runs as Gorman with better contact. He is young enough to progress.

Saggese. Winn. Wetherholt. Burleson.

Saggese doesn't even belong in the same sentence talent-wise w/JJW.

NO chance I want him ever getting 500 PA's and NO WAY he'd hit as many HR's as Gorman in the same # of PA's.

Gorman
1 HR in every 21.36 PA's

Saggese
1 HR in every 115.6 PA's

Comping J.A.G to Gorman power wise is inane, comping him to JJW is just .

Saggese's a back of the bench utility player, J. A. G., not sure what the fascination is w/this guy.

If Gorman is our everyday 3B in 2026 we have problems.

Opening day starting lineups aren’t forever.

Yea but how long will they be stupid and give him another runway? They were stupid and gave him last season to show how much he sucks now they are being stupid and giving him another how long to see how much he sucks next season?

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:52 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:51 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:41 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 13:30 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:34 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:06 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:47 pm

rage-STL wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 23:33 pm Nolan Gorman: 20 HR, 15 2B

Thomas Saggese: 10 HR, 20 2B

Anyone else excited about the potential between these two at 3B/2B?

Not particularly

Don't look now but Saggese had better power numbers in milb than Wetherholt.

You're not seriously comparing Saggese (J.A.G.) to a former NCAA batting champion and Top 5 MiLB prospect, right?

He's nowhere near the hitter JJW is and JJ will hit for way more power in MLB than Saggese (J.A.G.) ever will.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... gges000tho

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ther000jj-

I stated a fact. AT 21 Saggese hit 26 HR 111 RBI .306 avg in AA and AAA.

The question is whether Gorman starts. I'd put Saggese there because given 500 plate appearances he would hit as many home runs as Gorman with better contact. He is young enough to progress.

Saggese. Winn. Wetherholt. Burleson.

Saggese doesn't even belong in the same sentence talent-wise w/JJW.

NO chance I want him ever getting 500 PA's and NO WAY he'd hit as many HR's as Gorman in the same # of PA's.

Gorman
1 HR in every 21.36 PA's

Saggese
1 HR in every 115.6 PA's

Comping J.A.G to Gorman power wise is inane, comping him to JJW is just .

Saggese's a back of the bench utility player, J. A. G., not sure what the fascination is w/this guy.

If Gorman is our everyday 3B in 2026 we have problems.

Opening day starting lineups aren’t forever.

Yea but how long will they be stupid and give him another runway? They were stupid and gave him last season to show how much he sucks now they are being stupid and giving him another how long to see how much he sucks next season?

Gorman has no runway no more. He’s on notice.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:55 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:52 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:51 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:41 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 13:30 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:34 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:06 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:47 pm

rage-STL wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 23:33 pm Nolan Gorman: 20 HR, 15 2B

Thomas Saggese: 10 HR, 20 2B

Anyone else excited about the potential between these two at 3B/2B?

Not particularly

Don't look now but Saggese had better power numbers in milb than Wetherholt.

You're not seriously comparing Saggese (J.A.G.) to a former NCAA batting champion and Top 5 MiLB prospect, right?

He's nowhere near the hitter JJW is and JJ will hit for way more power in MLB than Saggese (J.A.G.) ever will.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... gges000tho

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ther000jj-

I stated a fact. AT 21 Saggese hit 26 HR 111 RBI .306 avg in AA and AAA.

The question is whether Gorman starts. I'd put Saggese there because given 500 plate appearances he would hit as many home runs as Gorman with better contact. He is young enough to progress.

Saggese. Winn. Wetherholt. Burleson.

Saggese doesn't even belong in the same sentence talent-wise w/JJW.

NO chance I want him ever getting 500 PA's and NO WAY he'd hit as many HR's as Gorman in the same # of PA's.

Gorman
1 HR in every 21.36 PA's

Saggese
1 HR in every 115.6 PA's

Comping J.A.G to Gorman power wise is inane, comping him to JJW is just .

Saggese's a back of the bench utility player, J. A. G., not sure what the fascination is w/this guy.

If Gorman is our everyday 3B in 2026 we have problems.

Opening day starting lineups aren’t forever.

Yea but how long will they be stupid and give him another runway? They were stupid and gave him last season to show how much he sucks now they are being stupid and giving him another how long to see how much he sucks next season?

Gorman has no runway no more. He’s on notice.

They don’t even have anyone to Replace him so it’s his to suck again

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:56 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:55 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:52 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:51 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:41 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 13:30 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:34 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:06 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:47 pm

rage-STL wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 23:33 pm Nolan Gorman: 20 HR, 15 2B

Thomas Saggese: 10 HR, 20 2B

Anyone else excited about the potential between these two at 3B/2B?

Not particularly

Don't look now but Saggese had better power numbers in milb than Wetherholt.

You're not seriously comparing Saggese (J.A.G.) to a former NCAA batting champion and Top 5 MiLB prospect, right?

He's nowhere near the hitter JJW is and JJ will hit for way more power in MLB than Saggese (J.A.G.) ever will.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... gges000tho

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ther000jj-

I stated a fact. AT 21 Saggese hit 26 HR 111 RBI .306 avg in AA and AAA.

The question is whether Gorman starts. I'd put Saggese there because given 500 plate appearances he would hit as many home runs as Gorman with better contact. He is young enough to progress.

Saggese. Winn. Wetherholt. Burleson.

Saggese doesn't even belong in the same sentence talent-wise w/JJW.

NO chance I want him ever getting 500 PA's and NO WAY he'd hit as many HR's as Gorman in the same # of PA's.

Gorman
1 HR in every 21.36 PA's

Saggese
1 HR in every 115.6 PA's

Comping J.A.G to Gorman power wise is inane, comping him to JJW is just .

Saggese's a back of the bench utility player, J. A. G., not sure what the fascination is w/this guy.

If Gorman is our everyday 3B in 2026 we have problems.

Opening day starting lineups aren’t forever.

Yea but how long will they be stupid and give him another runway? They were stupid and gave him last season to show how much he sucks now they are being stupid and giving him another how long to see how much he sucks next season?

Gorman has no runway no more. He’s on notice.

They don’t even have anyone to Replace him so it’s his to suck again

Saggese, Fermin…

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:58 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:56 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:55 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:52 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:51 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:41 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 13:30 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:34 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:06 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:47 pm

Not particularly

Don't look now but Saggese had better power numbers in milb than Wetherholt.

You're not seriously comparing Saggese (J.A.G.) to a former NCAA batting champion and Top 5 MiLB prospect, right?

He's nowhere near the hitter JJW is and JJ will hit for way more power in MLB than Saggese (J.A.G.) ever will.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... gges000tho

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ther000jj-

I stated a fact. AT 21 Saggese hit 26 HR 111 RBI .306 avg in AA and AAA.

The question is whether Gorman starts. I'd put Saggese there because given 500 plate appearances he would hit as many home runs as Gorman with better contact. He is young enough to progress.

Saggese. Winn. Wetherholt. Burleson.

Saggese doesn't even belong in the same sentence talent-wise w/JJW.

NO chance I want him ever getting 500 PA's and NO WAY he'd hit as many HR's as Gorman in the same # of PA's.

Gorman
1 HR in every 21.36 PA's

Saggese
1 HR in every 115.6 PA's

Comping J.A.G to Gorman power wise is inane, comping him to JJW is just .

Saggese's a back of the bench utility player, J. A. G., not sure what the fascination is w/this guy.

If Gorman is our everyday 3B in 2026 we have problems.

Opening day starting lineups aren’t forever.

Yea but how long will they be stupid and give him another runway? They were stupid and gave him last season to show how much he sucks now they are being stupid and giving him another how long to see how much he sucks next season?

Gorman has no runway no more. He’s on notice.

They don’t even have anyone to Replace him so it’s his to suck again

Saggese, Fermin…

That’s replacing garbage with garbage

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 22:02 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:58 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:56 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:55 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:52 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:51 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:41 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 13:30 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:34 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:06 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:40 pm

Don't look now but Saggese had better power numbers in milb than Wetherholt.

You're not seriously comparing Saggese (J.A.G.) to a former NCAA batting champion and Top 5 MiLB prospect, right?

He's nowhere near the hitter JJW is and JJ will hit for way more power in MLB than Saggese (J.A.G.) ever will.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... gges000tho

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ther000jj-

I stated a fact. AT 21 Saggese hit 26 HR 111 RBI .306 avg in AA and AAA.

The question is whether Gorman starts. I'd put Saggese there because given 500 plate appearances he would hit as many home runs as Gorman with better contact. He is young enough to progress.

Saggese. Winn. Wetherholt. Burleson.

Saggese doesn't even belong in the same sentence talent-wise w/JJW.

NO chance I want him ever getting 500 PA's and NO WAY he'd hit as many HR's as Gorman in the same # of PA's.

Gorman
1 HR in every 21.36 PA's

Saggese
1 HR in every 115.6 PA's

Comping J.A.G to Gorman power wise is inane, comping him to JJW is just .

Saggese's a back of the bench utility player, J. A. G., not sure what the fascination is w/this guy.

If Gorman is our everyday 3B in 2026 we have problems.

Opening day starting lineups aren’t forever.

Yea but how long will they be stupid and give him another runway? They were stupid and gave him last season to show how much he sucks now they are being stupid and giving him another how long to see how much he sucks next season?

Gorman has no runway no more. He’s on notice.

They don’t even have anyone to Replace him so it’s his to suck again

Saggese, Fermin…

That’s replacing garbage with garbage

You can’t fix everything in a rebuilding season.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 22:06 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 22:02 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:58 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:56 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:55 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:52 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:51 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:41 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 13:30 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 08:34 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:06 pm


You're not seriously comparing Saggese (J.A.G.) to a former NCAA batting champion and Top 5 MiLB prospect, right?

He's nowhere near the hitter JJW is and JJ will hit for way more power in MLB than Saggese (J.A.G.) ever will.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... gges000tho

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ther000jj-

I stated a fact. AT 21 Saggese hit 26 HR 111 RBI .306 avg in AA and AAA.

The question is whether Gorman starts. I'd put Saggese there because given 500 plate appearances he would hit as many home runs as Gorman with better contact. He is young enough to progress.

Saggese. Winn. Wetherholt. Burleson.

Saggese doesn't even belong in the same sentence talent-wise w/JJW.

NO chance I want him ever getting 500 PA's and NO WAY he'd hit as many HR's as Gorman in the same # of PA's.

Gorman
1 HR in every 21.36 PA's

Saggese
1 HR in every 115.6 PA's

Comping J.A.G to Gorman power wise is inane, comping him to JJW is just .

Saggese's a back of the bench utility player, J. A. G., not sure what the fascination is w/this guy.

If Gorman is our everyday 3B in 2026 we have problems.

Opening day starting lineups aren’t forever.

Yea but how long will they be stupid and give him another runway? They were stupid and gave him last season to show how much he sucks now they are being stupid and giving him another how long to see how much he sucks next season?

Gorman has no runway no more. He’s on notice.

They don’t even have anyone to Replace him so it’s his to suck again

Saggese, Fermin…

That’s replacing garbage with garbage

You can’t fix everything in a rebuilding season.

True but you would hope you don’t have to continue to watch garbage players get season after season after season to prove just how horrible they are and Gorman a full season at third next season will be a nightmare of ineptitude and nothing I’ve heard from bloom or anyone else says anything remotely like he won’t have a full season at third. He’s said nothing even close to players are on notice

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:08 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 15:34 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 06:24 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 21:57 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:06 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:47 pm

rage-STL wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 23:33 pm Nolan Gorman: 20 HR, 15 2B

Thomas Saggese: 10 HR, 20 2B

Anyone else excited about the potential between these two at 3B/2B?

Not particularly

Don't look now but Saggese had better power numbers in milb than Wetherholt.

You're not seriously comparing Saggese (J.A.G.) to a former NCAA batting champion and Top 5 MiLB prospect, right?

He's nowhere near the hitter JJW is and JJ will hit for way more power in MLB than Saggese (J.A.G.) ever will.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... gges000tho

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ther000jj-

I stated a fact. AT 21 Saggese hit 26 HR 111 RBI .306 avg in AA and AAA.

The question is whether Gorman starts. I'd put Saggese there because given 500 plate appearances he would hit as many home runs as Gorman with better contact. He is young enough to progress.

Saggese. Winn. Wetherholt. Burleson.

Saggese had 1HR in AAA at 21.

In how many games?

I'm not saying he is great. Just saying his numbers are as good as Wetherholt at that age. Being impressed by NCAA stats is fools gold. Check Caglianone's numbers.

You’re comparing their age 21 season. Saggese spent little time in AAA. So, what are you comparing to?
Wetherholt was in college most of his 21 year old season. He only had 126 at bats in minors.
JJ has a higher slugging percentage, too.
Don’t nitpick your comparison, and I won’t nitpick mine

Fair enough. I'd still give Saggese a chance at the 3B job. He strikes out too much but has the potential to improve and we know what Gorman is going to do.

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 22:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:08 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 15:34 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 06:24 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 21:57 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:06 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:47 pm

rage-STL wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 23:33 pm Nolan Gorman: 20 HR, 15 2B

Thomas Saggese: 10 HR, 20 2B

Anyone else excited about the potential between these two at 3B/2B?

Not particularly

Don't look now but Saggese had better power numbers in milb than Wetherholt.

You're not seriously comparing Saggese (J.A.G.) to a former NCAA batting champion and Top 5 MiLB prospect, right?

He's nowhere near the hitter JJW is and JJ will hit for way more power in MLB than Saggese (J.A.G.) ever will.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... gges000tho

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ther000jj-

I stated a fact. AT 21 Saggese hit 26 HR 111 RBI .306 avg in AA and AAA.

The question is whether Gorman starts. I'd put Saggese there because given 500 plate appearances he would hit as many home runs as Gorman with better contact. He is young enough to progress.

Saggese. Winn. Wetherholt. Burleson.

Saggese had 1HR in AAA at 21.

In how many games?

I'm not saying he is great. Just saying his numbers are as good as Wetherholt at that age. Being impressed by NCAA stats is fools gold. Check Caglianone's numbers.

You’re comparing their age 21 season. Saggese spent little time in AAA. So, what are you comparing to?
Wetherholt was in college most of his 21 year old season. He only had 126 at bats in minors.
JJ has a higher slugging percentage, too.
Don’t nitpick your comparison, and I won’t nitpick mine

Fair enough. I'd still give Saggese a chance at the 3B job. He strikes out too much but has the potential to improve and we know what Gorman is going to do.

That’s fair. I don’t know what Gorman will do. I don’t know what Saggese will do either. If I did, I’d make $millions as a GM.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 23:22 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 22:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:08 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 15:34 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 06:24 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 21:57 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:06 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:47 pm

rage-STL wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 23:33 pm Nolan Gorman: 20 HR, 15 2B

Thomas Saggese: 10 HR, 20 2B

Anyone else excited about the potential between these two at 3B/2B?

Not particularly

Don't look now but Saggese had better power numbers in milb than Wetherholt.

You're not seriously comparing Saggese (J.A.G.) to a former NCAA batting champion and Top 5 MiLB prospect, right?

He's nowhere near the hitter JJW is and JJ will hit for way more power in MLB than Saggese (J.A.G.) ever will.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... gges000tho

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ther000jj-

I stated a fact. AT 21 Saggese hit 26 HR 111 RBI .306 avg in AA and AAA.

The question is whether Gorman starts. I'd put Saggese there because given 500 plate appearances he would hit as many home runs as Gorman with better contact. He is young enough to progress.

Saggese. Winn. Wetherholt. Burleson.

Saggese had 1HR in AAA at 21.

In how many games?

I'm not saying he is great. Just saying his numbers are as good as Wetherholt at that age. Being impressed by NCAA stats is fools gold. Check Caglianone's numbers.

You’re comparing their age 21 season. Saggese spent little time in AAA. So, what are you comparing to?
Wetherholt was in college most of his 21 year old season. He only had 126 at bats in minors.
JJ has a higher slugging percentage, too.
Don’t nitpick your comparison, and I won’t nitpick mine

Fair enough. I'd still give Saggese a chance at the 3B job. He strikes out too much but has the potential to improve and we know what Gorman is going to do.

That’s fair. I don’t know what Gorman will do. I don’t know what Saggese will do either. If I did, I’d make $millions as a GM.

I know what Gorman will do I said he would do exactly what he would do last offseason he would suck have a hot streak in which people will say he’s finally figured it out then he will go back to sucking and his numbers at the end of the year would suck. When he was in his hot streak and I said it won’t last people said oh no it will last he looks like a completely different hitter but all hitters look different when they are in a hot streak. The only difference between this season and last season is he will kill the cardinals with his terrible offense and defense at third

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 23:32 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 23:22 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 22:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:08 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 15:34 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 06:24 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 21:57 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:06 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:47 pm

rage-STL wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 23:33 pm Nolan Gorman: 20 HR, 15 2B

Thomas Saggese: 10 HR, 20 2B

Anyone else excited about the potential between these two at 3B/2B?

Not particularly

Don't look now but Saggese had better power numbers in milb than Wetherholt.

You're not seriously comparing Saggese (J.A.G.) to a former NCAA batting champion and Top 5 MiLB prospect, right?

He's nowhere near the hitter JJW is and JJ will hit for way more power in MLB than Saggese (J.A.G.) ever will.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... gges000tho

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ther000jj-

I stated a fact. AT 21 Saggese hit 26 HR 111 RBI .306 avg in AA and AAA.

The question is whether Gorman starts. I'd put Saggese there because given 500 plate appearances he would hit as many home runs as Gorman with better contact. He is young enough to progress.

Saggese. Winn. Wetherholt. Burleson.

Saggese had 1HR in AAA at 21.

In how many games?

I'm not saying he is great. Just saying his numbers are as good as Wetherholt at that age. Being impressed by NCAA stats is fools gold. Check Caglianone's numbers.

You’re comparing their age 21 season. Saggese spent little time in AAA. So, what are you comparing to?
Wetherholt was in college most of his 21 year old season. He only had 126 at bats in minors.
JJ has a higher slugging percentage, too.
Don’t nitpick your comparison, and I won’t nitpick mine

Fair enough. I'd still give Saggese a chance at the 3B job. He strikes out too much but has the potential to improve and we know what Gorman is going to do.

That’s fair. I don’t know what Gorman will do. I don’t know what Saggese will do either. If I did, I’d make $millions as a GM.

I know what Gorman will do I said he would do exactly what he would do last offseason he would suck have a hot streak in which people will say he’s finally figured it out then he will go back to sucking and his numbers at the end of the year would suck. When he was in his hot streak and I said it won’t last people said oh no it will last he looks like a completely different hitter but all hitters look different when they are in a hot streak. The only difference between this season and last season is he will kill the cardinals with his terrible offense and defense at third

But yet, Donovan and his 10 Homers got him to the Cardinal HOF and propelled them to 1st place. Don’t you find it odd that all Cardinals players under achieve? Why is that, Swami? What else have you predicted?

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 00:43 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 23:32 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 23:22 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 22:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:08 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 15:34 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 06:24 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 21:57 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:06 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 12:47 pm

Not particularly

Don't look now but Saggese had better power numbers in milb than Wetherholt.

You're not seriously comparing Saggese (J.A.G.) to a former NCAA batting champion and Top 5 MiLB prospect, right?

He's nowhere near the hitter JJW is and JJ will hit for way more power in MLB than Saggese (J.A.G.) ever will.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... gges000tho

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ther000jj-

I stated a fact. AT 21 Saggese hit 26 HR 111 RBI .306 avg in AA and AAA.

The question is whether Gorman starts. I'd put Saggese there because given 500 plate appearances he would hit as many home runs as Gorman with better contact. He is young enough to progress.

Saggese. Winn. Wetherholt. Burleson.

Saggese had 1HR in AAA at 21.

In how many games?

I'm not saying he is great. Just saying his numbers are as good as Wetherholt at that age. Being impressed by NCAA stats is fools gold. Check Caglianone's numbers.

You’re comparing their age 21 season. Saggese spent little time in AAA. So, what are you comparing to?
Wetherholt was in college most of his 21 year old season. He only had 126 at bats in minors.
JJ has a higher slugging percentage, too.
Don’t nitpick your comparison, and I won’t nitpick mine

Fair enough. I'd still give Saggese a chance at the 3B job. He strikes out too much but has the potential to improve and we know what Gorman is going to do.

That’s fair. I don’t know what Gorman will do. I don’t know what Saggese will do either. If I did, I’d make $millions as a GM.

I know what Gorman will do I said he would do exactly what he would do last offseason he would suck have a hot streak in which people will say he’s finally figured it out then he will go back to sucking and his numbers at the end of the year would suck. When he was in his hot streak and I said it won’t last people said oh no it will last he looks like a completely different hitter but all hitters look different when they are in a hot streak. The only difference between this season and last season is he will kill the cardinals with his terrible offense and defense at third

But yet, Donovan and his 10 Homers got him to the Cardinal HOF and propelled them to 1st place. Don’t you find it odd that all Cardinals players under achieve? Why is that, Swami? What else have you predicted?

I don’t find it odd at all that Cardinal players underachieve. Some like Gorman who doesn’t walk a ton and strikes out way too much are always going to be really miss he is slow to adjust and pitchers adjust far more quickly. I knew the development system and walker was screwed when they were needing to adjust walkers swing once he made it the majors. If you have a good development system they would have recognized his ground ball swing would not play in the majors and would have changed it in the minors before he even made it to the majors. Look at Baez he always
Struggling made swing adjustments with the new development system and had a break out season so instead of making it to the majors with a flawed ineffectual swing he has fixed it in the minors. The Cardinals have also had a bad habit of rushing their top of the rotation stuff potential pitchers to the majors and throwing them in the bullpen because they go cheap on the bullpen instead of letting them develop and teaching them in the minors so instead of teaching guys like hicks and helsley in the minors secondary pitchers so they can be top of the rotation starters they throw them in the bullpen. Franklin and Doyle under would be relievers in the majors and never given the chance to develop as starter but bloom will develop them into starters

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 02:47 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 00:43 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 23:32 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 23:22 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 22:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:08 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 15:34 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 06:24 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 21:57 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:06 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 13:40 pm

Don't look now but Saggese had better power numbers in milb than Wetherholt.

You're not seriously comparing Saggese (J.A.G.) to a former NCAA batting champion and Top 5 MiLB prospect, right?

He's nowhere near the hitter JJW is and JJ will hit for way more power in MLB than Saggese (J.A.G.) ever will.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... gges000tho

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ther000jj-

I stated a fact. AT 21 Saggese hit 26 HR 111 RBI .306 avg in AA and AAA.

The question is whether Gorman starts. I'd put Saggese there because given 500 plate appearances he would hit as many home runs as Gorman with better contact. He is young enough to progress.

Saggese. Winn. Wetherholt. Burleson.

Saggese had 1HR in AAA at 21.

In how many games?

I'm not saying he is great. Just saying his numbers are as good as Wetherholt at that age. Being impressed by NCAA stats is fools gold. Check Caglianone's numbers.

You’re comparing their age 21 season. Saggese spent little time in AAA. So, what are you comparing to?
Wetherholt was in college most of his 21 year old season. He only had 126 at bats in minors.
JJ has a higher slugging percentage, too.
Don’t nitpick your comparison, and I won’t nitpick mine

Fair enough. I'd still give Saggese a chance at the 3B job. He strikes out too much but has the potential to improve and we know what Gorman is going to do.

That’s fair. I don’t know what Gorman will do. I don’t know what Saggese will do either. If I did, I’d make $millions as a GM.

I know what Gorman will do I said he would do exactly what he would do last offseason he would suck have a hot streak in which people will say he’s finally figured it out then he will go back to sucking and his numbers at the end of the year would suck. When he was in his hot streak and I said it won’t last people said oh no it will last he looks like a completely different hitter but all hitters look different when they are in a hot streak. The only difference between this season and last season is he will kill the cardinals with his terrible offense and defense at third

But yet, Donovan and his 10 Homers got him to the Cardinal HOF and propelled them to 1st place. Don’t you find it odd that all Cardinals players under achieve? Why is that, Swami? What else have you predicted?

I don’t find it odd at all that Cardinal players underachieve. Some like Gorman who doesn’t walk a ton and strikes out way too much are always going to be really miss he is slow to adjust and pitchers adjust far more quickly. I knew the development system and walker was screwed when they were needing to adjust walkers swing once he made it the majors. If you have a good development system they would have recognized his ground ball swing would not play in the majors and would have changed it in the minors before he even made it to the majors. Look at Baez he always
Struggling made swing adjustments with the new development system and had a break out season so instead of making it to the majors with a flawed ineffectual swing he has fixed it in the minors. The Cardinals have also had a bad habit of rushing their top of the rotation stuff potential pitchers to the majors and throwing them in the bullpen because they go cheap on the bullpen instead of letting them develop and teaching them in the minors so instead of teaching guys like hicks and helsley in the minors secondary pitchers so they can be top of the rotation starters they throw them in the bullpen. Franklin and Doyle under would be relievers in the majors and never given the chance to develop as starter but bloom will develop them into starters

Walker hit 16 HR. .276 BA .445 Slugging. His first year. Better than any year Brendan White Guy Donovan ever had. What do you think about “Donnie”? Was he rushed?

dugoutrex wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 09:12 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 02:47 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2025 00:43 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 23:32 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 23:22 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 22:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 21:08 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 15:34 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Dec 2025 06:24 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 21:57 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 18:03 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Dec 2025 14:06 pm


You're not seriously comparing Saggese (J.A.G.) to a former NCAA batting champion and Top 5 MiLB prospect, right?

He's nowhere near the hitter JJW is and JJ will hit for way more power in MLB than Saggese (J.A.G.) ever will.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... gges000tho

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ther000jj-

I stated a fact. AT 21 Saggese hit 26 HR 111 RBI .306 avg in AA and AAA.

The question is whether Gorman starts. I'd put Saggese there because given 500 plate appearances he would hit as many home runs as Gorman with better contact. He is young enough to progress.

Saggese. Winn. Wetherholt. Burleson.

Saggese had 1HR in AAA at 21.

In how many games?

I'm not saying he is great. Just saying his numbers are as good as Wetherholt at that age. Being impressed by NCAA stats is fools gold. Check Caglianone's numbers.

You’re comparing their age 21 season. Saggese spent little time in AAA. So, what are you comparing to?
Wetherholt was in college most of his 21 year old season. He only had 126 at bats in minors.
JJ has a higher slugging percentage, too.
Don’t nitpick your comparison, and I won’t nitpick mine

Fair enough. I'd still give Saggese a chance at the 3B job. He strikes out too much but has the potential to improve and we know what Gorman is going to do.

That’s fair. I don’t know what Gorman will do. I don’t know what Saggese will do either. If I did, I’d make $millions as a GM.

I know what Gorman will do I said he would do exactly what he would do last offseason he would suck have a hot streak in which people will say he’s finally figured it out then he will go back to sucking and his numbers at the end of the year would suck. When he was in his hot streak and I said it won’t last people said oh no it will last he looks like a completely different hitter but all hitters look different when they are in a hot streak. The only difference between this season and last season is he will kill the cardinals with his terrible offense and defense at third

But yet, Donovan and his 10 Homers got him to the Cardinal HOF and propelled them to 1st place. Don’t you find it odd that all Cardinals players under achieve? Why is that, Swami? What else have you predicted?

I don’t find it odd at all that Cardinal players underachieve. Some like Gorman who doesn’t walk a ton and strikes out way too much are always going to be really miss he is slow to adjust and pitchers adjust far more quickly. I knew the development system and walker was screwed when they were needing to adjust walkers swing once he made it the majors. If you have a good development system they would have recognized his ground ball swing would not play in the majors and would have changed it in the minors before he even made it to the majors. Look at Baez he always
Struggling made swing adjustments with the new development system and had a break out season so instead of making it to the majors with a flawed ineffectual swing he has fixed it in the minors. The Cardinals have also had a bad habit of rushing their top of the rotation stuff potential pitchers to the majors and throwing them in the bullpen because they go cheap on the bullpen instead of letting them develop and teaching them in the minors so instead of teaching guys like hicks and helsley in the minors secondary pitchers so they can be top of the rotation starters they throw them in the bullpen. Franklin and Doyle under would be relievers in the majors and never given the chance to develop as starter but bloom will develop them into starters

Walker hit 16 HR. .276 BA .445 Slugging. His first year. Better than any year Brendan White Guy Donovan ever had. What do you think about “Donnie”? Was he rushed?

as soon as pitchers adjusted how has Jordan done ?