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HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:30 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:23 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:26 am

Shady wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 16:23 pm Harper is a proven slugger. However, probably too expensive for the Cardinals.

Was this supposed to be a serious question or just a joke? Either way, it's just stupid

It's just exploring a possible way to get a much needed superstar slugger. I'd be happy to entertain any other suggestions. But they are few and far between. Many posters would rather just try to bash others that try to be creative.

You get bashed for making silly suggestions. Harper is 32 and his performance is sliding down. Why would Chaim trade a upcoming player with superstar potential for one on the way down. Harper's best days are behind him but you want to pay him $150+ mill over the next 6 years. Does that really make sense to you? If so, you need to go smoke something different.

So, please lay out, specically, how you would obtain a superstar slugger like a Harper for the next few seasons? It's pretty easy to criticize others. What's your plan to get that needed slugger?

not if the intention is to build a winning team going forward..if the cards were coming off a 95 win season and were a game away from the WS perhaps the question would have some merit...in the current situation obviously not

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:36 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:30 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:23 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:26 am

Shady wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 16:23 pm Harper is a proven slugger. However, probably too expensive for the Cardinals.

Was this supposed to be a serious question or just a joke? Either way, it's just stupid

It's just exploring a possible way to get a much needed superstar slugger. I'd be happy to entertain any other suggestions. But they are few and far between. Many posters would rather just try to bash others that try to be creative.

You get bashed for making silly suggestions. Harper is 32 and his performance is sliding down. Why would Chaim trade a upcoming player with superstar potential for one on the way down. Harper's best days are behind him but you want to pay him $150+ mill over the next 6 years. Does that really make sense to you? If so, you need to go smoke something different.

So, please lay out, specically, how you would obtain a superstar slugger like a Harper for the next few seasons? It's pretty easy to criticize others. What's your plan to get that needed slugger?

Stop asking dumb questions. First Harper is past being a superstar slugger. Second his contract isn't. Third STL isn't looking to add one massive contract player. But I don't expect anything from you that makes sense, More trolling.

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:01 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:36 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:30 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:23 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:26 am

Shady wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 16:23 pm Harper is a proven slugger. However, probably too expensive for the Cardinals.

Was this supposed to be a serious question or just a joke? Either way, it's just stupid

It's just exploring a possible way to get a much needed superstar slugger. I'd be happy to entertain any other suggestions. But they are few and far between. Many posters would rather just try to bash others that try to be creative.

You get bashed for making silly suggestions. Harper is 32 and his performance is sliding down. Why would Chaim trade a upcoming player with superstar potential for one on the way down. Harper's best days are behind him but you want to pay him $150+ mill over the next 6 years. Does that really make sense to you? If so, you need to go smoke something different.

So, please lay out, specically, how you would obtain a superstar slugger like a Harper for the next few seasons? It's pretty easy to criticize others. What's your plan to get that needed slugger?

Stop asking dumb questions. First Harper is past being a superstar slugger. Second his contract isn't. Third STL isn't looking to add one massive contract player. But I don't expect anything from you that makes sense, More trolling.

Nimrod, I'm putting suggestions to obtain a much needed slugger, What's your suggestion that "makes sense"? It's doubtful that you'll come up with anything. You. like many others, thrive on criticising others instead of creative thoughts of your own. Prove me wrong.

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:07 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:01 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:36 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:30 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:23 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:26 am

Shady wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 16:23 pm Harper is a proven slugger. However, probably too expensive for the Cardinals.

Was this supposed to be a serious question or just a joke? Either way, it's just stupid

It's just exploring a possible way to get a much needed superstar slugger. I'd be happy to entertain any other suggestions. But they are few and far between. Many posters would rather just try to bash others that try to be creative.

You get bashed for making silly suggestions. Harper is 32 and his performance is sliding down. Why would Chaim trade a upcoming player with superstar potential for one on the way down. Harper's best days are behind him but you want to pay him $150+ mill over the next 6 years. Does that really make sense to you? If so, you need to go smoke something different.

So, please lay out, specically, how you would obtain a superstar slugger like a Harper for the next few seasons? It's pretty easy to criticize others. What's your plan to get that needed slugger?

Stop asking dumb questions. First Harper is past being a superstar slugger. Second his contract isn't. Third STL isn't looking to add one massive contract player. But I don't expect anything from you that makes sense, More trolling.

Nimrod, I'm putting suggestions to obtain a much needed slugger, What's your suggestion that "makes sense"? It's doubtful that you'll come up with anything. You. like many others, thrive on criticism.

[redacted] we aren't in the market for a slugger. Which you would know if you had two brain cells to rub together.

Note no one is backing this inane idea? Yeah, it's you.

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:13 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:07 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:01 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:36 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:30 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:23 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:26 am

Shady wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 16:23 pm Harper is a proven slugger. However, probably too expensive for the Cardinals.

Was this supposed to be a serious question or just a joke? Either way, it's just stupid

It's just exploring a possible way to get a much needed superstar slugger. I'd be happy to entertain any other suggestions. But they are few and far between. Many posters would rather just try to bash others that try to be creative.

You get bashed for making silly suggestions. Harper is 32 and his performance is sliding down. Why would Chaim trade a upcoming player with superstar potential for one on the way down. Harper's best days are behind him but you want to pay him $150+ mill over the next 6 years. Does that really make sense to you? If so, you need to go smoke something different.

So, please lay out, specically, how you would obtain a superstar slugger like a Harper for the next few seasons? It's pretty easy to criticize others. What's your plan to get that needed slugger?

Stop asking dumb questions. First Harper is past being a superstar slugger. Second his contract isn't. Third STL isn't looking to add one massive contract player. But I don't expect anything from you that makes sense, More trolling.

Nimrod, I'm putting suggestions to obtain a much needed slugger, What's your suggestion that "makes sense"? It's doubtful that you'll come up with anything. You. like many others, thrive on criticism.

(dim bulb) we aren't in the market for a slugger. Which you would know if you had two brain cells to rub together.

Note no one is backing this inane idea? Yeah, it's you.

You. like many others, thrive on criticizing others instead of creative thoughts of your own. Prove me wrong. What's your briiiant plan, hotshot?

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:14 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:13 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:07 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:01 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:36 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:30 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:23 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:26 am

Shady wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 16:23 pm Harper is a proven slugger. However, probably too expensive for the Cardinals.

Was this supposed to be a serious question or just a joke? Either way, it's just stupid

It's just exploring a possible way to get a much needed superstar slugger. I'd be happy to entertain any other suggestions. But they are few and far between. Many posters would rather just try to bash others that try to be creative.

You get bashed for making silly suggestions. Harper is 32 and his performance is sliding down. Why would Chaim trade a upcoming player with superstar potential for one on the way down. Harper's best days are behind him but you want to pay him $150+ mill over the next 6 years. Does that really make sense to you? If so, you need to go smoke something different.

So, please lay out, specically, how you would obtain a superstar slugger like a Harper for the next few seasons? It's pretty easy to criticize others. What's your plan to get that needed slugger?

Stop asking dumb questions. First Harper is past being a superstar slugger. Second his contract isn't. Third STL isn't looking to add one massive contract player. But I don't expect anything from you that makes sense, More trolling.

Nimrod, I'm putting suggestions to obtain a much needed slugger, What's your suggestion that "makes sense"? It's doubtful that you'll come up with anything. You. like many others, thrive on criticism.

(dim bulb) we aren't in the market for a slugger. Which you would know if you had two brain cells to rub together.

Note no one is backing this inane idea? Yeah, it's you.

You. like many others, thrive on criticizing others instead of creative thoughts of your own. Prove me wrong.

You are just too stupid to recognize intelligent plans when discussed. Not my problem that you don't get it. But hey keep posting here is some more attention you obviously crave.

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:16 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:14 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:13 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:07 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:01 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:36 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:30 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:23 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:26 am

Shady wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 16:23 pm Harper is a proven slugger. However, probably too expensive for the Cardinals.

Was this supposed to be a serious question or just a joke? Either way, it's just stupid

It's just exploring a possible way to get a much needed superstar slugger. I'd be happy to entertain any other suggestions. But they are few and far between. Many posters would rather just try to bash others that try to be creative.

You get bashed for making silly suggestions. Harper is 32 and his performance is sliding down. Why would Chaim trade a upcoming player with superstar potential for one on the way down. Harper's best days are behind him but you want to pay him $150+ mill over the next 6 years. Does that really make sense to you? If so, you need to go smoke something different.

So, please lay out, specically, how you would obtain a superstar slugger like a Harper for the next few seasons? It's pretty easy to criticize others. What's your plan to get that needed slugger?

Stop asking dumb questions. First Harper is past being a superstar slugger. Second his contract isn't. Third STL isn't looking to add one massive contract player. But I don't expect anything from you that makes sense, More trolling.

Nimrod, I'm putting suggestions to obtain a much needed slugger, What's your suggestion that "makes sense"? It's doubtful that you'll come up with anything. You. like many others, thrive on criticism.

(dim bulb) we aren't in the market for a slugger. Which you would know if you had two brain cells to rub together.

Note no one is backing this inane idea? Yeah, it's you.

You. like many others, thrive on criticizing others instead of creative thoughts of your own. Prove me wrong.

You are just too stupid to recognize intelligent plans when discussed. Not my problem that you don't get it. But hey keep posting here is some more attention you obviously crave.

You are an superiority complex idiot. So what's your plan to obtain a much needed Harper-like slugger. I expect, as usual, very little creativity coming from you.

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:16 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:14 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:13 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:07 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:01 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:36 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:30 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:23 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:26 am

Shady wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 16:23 pm Harper is a proven slugger. However, probably too expensive for the Cardinals.

Was this supposed to be a serious question or just a joke? Either way, it's just stupid

It's just exploring a possible way to get a much needed superstar slugger. I'd be happy to entertain any other suggestions. But they are few and far between. Many posters would rather just try to bash others that try to be creative.

You get bashed for making silly suggestions. Harper is 32 and his performance is sliding down. Why would Chaim trade a upcoming player with superstar potential for one on the way down. Harper's best days are behind him but you want to pay him $150+ mill over the next 6 years. Does that really make sense to you? If so, you need to go smoke something different.

So, please lay out, specically, how you would obtain a superstar slugger like a Harper for the next few seasons? It's pretty easy to criticize others. What's your plan to get that needed slugger?

Stop asking dumb questions. First Harper is past being a superstar slugger. Second his contract isn't. Third STL isn't looking to add one massive contract player. But I don't expect anything from you that makes sense, More trolling.

Nimrod, I'm putting suggestions to obtain a much needed slugger, What's your suggestion that "makes sense"? It's doubtful that you'll come up with anything. You. like many others, thrive on criticism.

(dim bulb) we aren't in the market for a slugger. Which you would know if you had two brain cells to rub together.

Note no one is backing this inane idea? Yeah, it's you.

You. like many others, thrive on criticizing others instead of creative thoughts of your own. Prove me wrong.

You are just too stupid to recognize intelligent plans when discussed. Not my problem that you don't get it. But hey keep posting here is some more attention you obviously crave.

The only thing worse than a moron is a sensitive/defensive moron.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:21 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:16 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:14 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:13 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:07 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:01 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:36 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:30 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:23 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:26 am

Shady wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 16:23 pm Harper is a proven slugger. However, probably too expensive for the Cardinals.

Was this supposed to be a serious question or just a joke? Either way, it's just stupid

It's just exploring a possible way to get a much needed superstar slugger. I'd be happy to entertain any other suggestions. But they are few and far between. Many posters would rather just try to bash others that try to be creative.

You get bashed for making silly suggestions. Harper is 32 and his performance is sliding down. Why would Chaim trade a upcoming player with superstar potential for one on the way down. Harper's best days are behind him but you want to pay him $150+ mill over the next 6 years. Does that really make sense to you? If so, you need to go smoke something different.

So, please lay out, specically, how you would obtain a superstar slugger like a Harper for the next few seasons? It's pretty easy to criticize others. What's your plan to get that needed slugger?

Stop asking dumb questions. First Harper is past being a superstar slugger. Second his contract isn't. Third STL isn't looking to add one massive contract player. But I don't expect anything from you that makes sense, More trolling.

Nimrod, I'm putting suggestions to obtain a much needed slugger, What's your suggestion that "makes sense"? It's doubtful that you'll come up with anything. You. like many others, thrive on criticism.

(dim bulb) we aren't in the market for a slugger. Which you would know if you had two brain cells to rub together.

Note no one is backing this inane idea? Yeah, it's you.

You. like many others, thrive on criticizing others instead of creative thoughts of your own. Prove me wrong.

You are just too stupid to recognize intelligent plans when discussed. Not my problem that you don't get it. But hey keep posting here is some more attention you obviously crave.

The only thing worse than a moron is a sensitive/defensive moron.

Get lost freaky. You are like a pimple on my (bleep). Your another weak (bleep) dude that is obsessed with ole' Shady's posts. And can't ignore them. Weak, weak, weak..

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:16 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:14 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:13 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:07 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 19:01 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:36 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:30 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:23 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:26 am

Shady wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 16:23 pm Harper is a proven slugger. However, probably too expensive for the Cardinals.

Was this supposed to be a serious question or just a joke? Either way, it's just stupid

It's just exploring a possible way to get a much needed superstar slugger. I'd be happy to entertain any other suggestions. But they are few and far between. Many posters would rather just try to bash others that try to be creative.

You get bashed for making silly suggestions. Harper is 32 and his performance is sliding down. Why would Chaim trade a upcoming player with superstar potential for one on the way down. Harper's best days are behind him but you want to pay him $150+ mill over the next 6 years. Does that really make sense to you? If so, you need to go smoke something different.

So, please lay out, specically, how you would obtain a superstar slugger like a Harper for the next few seasons? It's pretty easy to criticize others. What's your plan to get that needed slugger?

Stop asking dumb questions. First Harper is past being a superstar slugger. Second his contract isn't. Third STL isn't looking to add one massive contract player. But I don't expect anything from you that makes sense, More trolling.

Nimrod, I'm putting suggestions to obtain a much needed slugger, What's your suggestion that "makes sense"? It's doubtful that you'll come up with anything. You. like many others, thrive on criticism.

(dim bulb) we aren't in the market for a slugger. Which you would know if you had two brain cells to rub together.

Note no one is backing this inane idea? Yeah, it's you.

You. like many others, thrive on criticizing others instead of creative thoughts of your own. Prove me wrong.

You are just too stupid to recognize intelligent plans when discussed. Not my problem that you don't get it. But hey keep posting here is some more attention you obviously crave.

He is not paranoid. But everybody is out to get him. Cannot fix him.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 14:35 pm

WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:23 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:37 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 09:10 am

russellhammond wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:41 am Bryce Harper might be the most overrated player of his generation.

lol... he is a future HOFer.

I would not trade JJW for him at this stage, but let's not downgrade a future HOFer.

I do not think he is a guaranteed future HOFer. Doing a quick check on https://www.baseball-reference.com/lead ... reer.shtml he stands at 54 WAR. Players he trails include McGuire, Edmonds, Machado, Arenado, Goldschmidt, Freeman. He has 54 WAR. At his current age and performance level he will probably end up with about 66 WAR if he stays healthy. That is in the close and sometimes make it range but not sure fire. Examples of those who didn't make it with more:

Buddy Bell, Dwight Evans, Lofton, Whitaker. There are others.

I'd say it's better than 50-50 he gets in only due to his precocious early entry into the majors and name recognition. But it isn't a sure thing IMO.

I think Juan Gonzalez is the only two-time MVP not in the HOF FWIW (excluding current, not eligible yet, and known juicers). Obviously, JuanGone has his own cloud of suspicions too...

Your list is odd though. McGwire isn't in because of steroids. The other 4 are active players that all probably go in too. Goldy is the only fringy one.

Barring major injury, he's most certainly going to get to 500 HRs.

He is a 2X MVP with a 14-year split of .280avg .387obp .519slg .905ops 142ops+. He has 363 HRs. If he plays 5-6 more years, he should hit 500 HRs by 38 years old. Could he fall off the cliff? Of course, he could. But, to this point, he has maintained relatively good health. I'd say it is way above 50/50 that he is a HOFer.

I'd like to hear your argument as to how he is the "most overrated player of his generation."

I actually explained my premise in the post from which you cherry picked the opening sentence. Go back and read the post and you will see my argument. And the fact that you are insistent that he is a future HOF player only supports my thesis. There are lots of overrated players in the HOF.

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:36 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 18:30 pm

Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:23 am

HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:26 am

Shady wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 16:23 pm Harper is a proven slugger. However, probably too expensive for the Cardinals.

Was this supposed to be a serious question or just a joke? Either way, it's just stupid

It's just exploring a possible way to get a much needed superstar slugger. I'd be happy to entertain any other suggestions. But they are few and far between. Many posters would rather just try to bash others that try to be creative.

You get bashed for making silly suggestions. Harper is 32 and his performance is sliding down. Why would Chaim trade a upcoming player with superstar potential for one on the way down. Harper's best days are behind him but you want to pay him $150+ mill over the next 6 years. Does that really make sense to you? If so, you need to go smoke something different.

So, please lay out, specically, how you would obtain a superstar slugger like a Harper for the next few seasons? It's pretty easy to criticize others. What's your plan to get that needed slugger?

That's simple, for 2026 I wouldn't. To do so would be the wrong move for this team. With the CBA up for renewal, 2026 is not the year to spend on a Harper type contract. It's also not the right time with the players at the moment. One Harper doesn't get the team into the WS. If Arenado, Gray and WIllie can't do it, why do you think Harper alone can? Or even Harper and Willie because the other two (Gray and Arenado) will be gone.

So the simple answer is trying to get a Harper this winter is a stupid idea. Now once the CBA is settled maybe. Even then it depends on how the younger players develop. If Walker, Gorman, Scott etc keep failing then even two or three Harpers won't do the job.