Brant Brown rips Walker

[scoutyjones2]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much speculation in this thread. Just listen to/watch the 2-minute video chat hangout. Oli wasn't laughing. It wasn't said to rip Walker. It was constructive criticism, albeit much deserved.

IT'S RIGHT HERE----------------------------> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7mlsSm ... annel=KMOX

Yep

[Clubmaker2]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much speculation in this thread. Just listen to/watch the 2-minute video chat hangout. Oli wasn't laughing. It wasn't said to rip Walker. It was constructive criticism, albeit much deserved.

IT'S RIGHT HERE----------------------------> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7mlsSm ... annel=KMOX

when the coach says he is not putting in the work to learn/scout the relievers before a series starts, its constructive criticism about what, somebody not putting in the work, which when put to the public , becomes dropping dimes and ripping his (donkey) in the most polite way. How is it the great player developer Oli doesnt dictate Walker be at certain time and place with coach to study the upcoming pitchers ? Learning the scouting report on the upcoming relievers is apparently optional lol

[ilcubuffs]

Yet another episode of Who Is Running the Asylum"?

Players?: IF fans are to believe the interview, history shows a young player with nominal success telling batting coach and manager to go f*ck off BUT yet is continually in the lineup. Most situations would have the player riding the pine.

Marmot?: I believe one of the great rationales for keeping Marmot was his ability to "teach" young players and get them to MLB. SOOO young Mr Jordan has on few occasions, if you believe the stories, Jordan chose not to buy into Marmot school of MLB. Similar situations would have the player demoted to AAA or less, traded, or released. But yet is in the lineup and failing. So what is Marmot and Brown actually communicating to Walker?

His performance and stats show he is not close to where his skill set indicated he would be. YET, he was successful on the field UNTIL he plays for the MARMOT.

Jordan's dad graduated from MIT. His mother graduate of Harvard and possess two master degrees, business econ and education. With that pedigree it is a stretch that his lack of success on field would be met with "I am the smartest man in the room".

[12xu]

Maybe Walker is just kind of a stupid guy

On the contrary, Jordan Walker is highly intelligent.

How the [fork] do you know?

Walker has maintained a 3.98 GPA in the classroom. He has signed a National Letter of Intent to play baseball on scholarship at Duke University, but is projected as an early round selection in June’s Major League Baseball draft. A member of the National Honor Society, Walker has donated his time as a peer tutor and has volunteered as a youth baseball coach.

https://playeroftheyear.gatorade.com/wi ... lker/37792

It is all at your fingertips, buddy.

So......he is a scholar, a highly intelligent person. Just maybe, however, he is not baseball smart.

[icon]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much speculation in this thread. Just listen to/watch the 2-minute video chat hangout. Oli wasn't laughing. It wasn't said to rip Walker. It was constructive criticism, albeit much deserved.

IT'S RIGHT HERE----------------------------> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7mlsSm ... annel=KMOX

when the coach says he is not putting in the work to learn/scout the relievers before a series starts, its constructive criticism about what, somebody not putting in the work, which when put to the public , becomes dropping dimes and ripping his (donkey) in the most polite way. How is it the great player developer Oli doesnt dictate Walker be at certain time and place with coach to study the upcoming pitchers ? Learning the scouting report on the upcoming relievers is apparently optional lol

Exactly. County Club Cardinals. Brown should actually hold film sessions about opponents' pitching before upcoming series and make attendance by hitters mandatory. That is on Brown and Oli. Screw both of them. And demote or trade Walker in the offseason for not performing.

[Rojo Johnson]

Wherever I worked, if you were given instructions to be somewhere at a certain time, you were there. I know these are baseball players, but there is no excuse for Marmol to either neglect to give instructions or to play like instructions given can be ignored with impunity. What is wrong with him? How about this: ”Jordan, Coach Brown will meet you tomorrow at X o’clock in the small conf room to go over pitchers for the upcoming series. See you there. Bring your notebook.”

Is that difficult?

[Rojo Johnson]

Don’t like the public criticism from Coach on player. If not doing what needs to be done cut his donkey, send him down, etc. lots of options

Correct.
I advise organizations for a living.
And I am very good at it.
Credit should be shared with others and praise for results should be public.
Blame should first be shouldered by those in leadership, and constructive fact-based criticism should be conducted in private at the individual level.
These are non-negotiable requirement to create a healthy and productive environment which leads to success.
Failure to do so makes overall failure inevitable.
The Cardinals have a TOXIC CULTURE.

I agree that the Cardinal brass isn't good at taking blame, at least not in public. But the Cardinals are pretty good at offering public praise for positive results. And we don't know what's going on in private.

I would want to know much more before I'd say the Cards have a toxic culture.

I’d say hiring 3 managers in a row, each with no major league experience, signals the man at the top, who is the POBO, is extremely toxic/narcissistic and his toxic management traits/style percolate throughout the organization until most of the organization is infected. For those who want to resist becoming infected, please see the firing of Mike Schildt. You do things Moe’s way or you do them somewhere else. Mel is 100% correct. This org has become toxic and it began after Tony and Dunc left.

[BrockFloodMaris]

Maybe Walker is just kind of a stupid guy

On the contrary, Jordan Walker is highly intelligent.

How the [fork] do you know?

Walker has maintained a 3.98 GPA in the classroom. He has signed a National Letter of Intent to play baseball on scholarship at Duke University, but is projected as an early round selection in June’s Major League Baseball draft. A member of the National Honor Society, Walker has donated his time as a peer tutor and has volunteered as a youth baseball coach.

https://playeroftheyear.gatorade.com/wi ... lker/37792

It is all at your fingertips, buddy.

So......he is a scholar, a highly intelligent person. Just maybe, however, he is not baseball smart.

Having great natural physical and mental ability does not necessarily equate to having great ability to study and learn new techniques. I love what Brant Brown says about having a difficult batting practice, so that you can have a good game. Physically-talented kids need to grow up emotionally in order to become mature adult players.

[Red Bird Classic]

Don’t like the public criticism from Coach on player. If not doing what needs to be done cut his donkey, send him down, etc. lots of options

Correct.
I advise organizations for a living.
And I am very good at it.
Credit should be shared with others and praise for results should be public.
Blame should first be shouldered by those in leadership, and constructive fact-based criticism should be conducted in private at the individual level.
These are non-negotiable requirement to create a healthy and productive environment which leads to success.
Failure to do so makes overall failure inevitable.
The Cardinals have a TOXIC CULTURE.

I agree that the Cardinal brass isn't good at taking blame, at least not in public. But the Cardinals are pretty good at offering public praise for positive results. And we don't know what's going on in private.

I would want to know much more before I'd say the Cards have a toxic culture.

I’d say hiring 3 managers in a row, each with no major league experience, signals the man at the top, who is the POBO, is extremely toxic/narcissistic and his toxic management traits/style percolate throughout the organization until most of the organization is infected. For those who want to resist becoming infected, please see the firing of Mike Schildt. You do things Moe’s way or you do them somewhere else. Mel is 100% correct. This org has become toxic and it began after Tony and Dunc left.

About Shilt and other first-time managers:

After La Russa left, Mozeliak decided to run the team from the front office. This means the FO making day-to-day, even inning-by-inning, decisions based on input from expensive analytics. The FO not only sends the starting lineups to the dugout, but also directives about which relief pitchers to use against specific batters, etc.

Jon's idea steps all over the traditional role of manager. And explains why the Cardinals hired novice skippers-- They both see managers as interchangeable, and can't hire an experienced manager willing to go along with this setup.

In Mozeliak's view, they don't need a real manager: as long as the guy can do what he's told, deal with personalities in the clubhouse, and keep his mouth shut, he'll be fine.

Mike Shilt, wanted to run the team from the dugout. He even wanted to have some say in trades as La Russa did. That was stepping on Mozeliak's turf, so Jon went to DeWitt and pushed Shilt out.

That's what is meant by philosophic differences.

None of this means that Mozelaik isn't a narcissistic, self absorbed, ego-maniac, but it doesn't prove he is either.

One thing is certain, Jon Mozeliak long ago wore out his welcome here and that's the main problem with DeWitt. The man is way to slow to part company with employees who are no longer producing.

[suzybuck]

My question is--If he doesn't do the work and doesn't prepare properly, why do they keep running him out there?

[Red Bird Classic]

My question is--If he doesn't do the work and doesn't prepare properly, why do they keep running him out there?

They're hopping embarrassment makes a good motivation?

Prove to the kid that this stuff isn't easy?

Draft position will probably improve?

[CardsBest]

If it is true, and has been going on for quite some time, then he absolutely should say it.

Brant Brown's job is on the line, too. If Walker isn't doing his part, why should Brown be fired for it?

On the other hand, if it is not true, then Brown's job should be on the line.

It should be handled internally. If Brant had the issue notify those above him and try to grt him traded. Going public with it only reduces his value in trade.

[blackinkbiz]

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About Shilt and other first-time managers:

After La Russa left, Mozeliak decided to run the team from the front office. This means the FO making day-to-day, even inning-by-inning, decisions based on input from expensive analytics. The FO not only sends the starting lineups to the dugout, but also directives about which relief pitchers to use against specific batters, etc.

I'm a fan of neither Mo nor Oli and can't wait until they're both gone, but this is simply not true. They've both publicly stated many, MANY times that Oli handles the roster and in-game management.

Is there one legitimate source that confirms your theory?

[Red Bird Classic]

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About Shilt and other first-time managers:

After La Russa left, Mozeliak decided to run the team from the front office. This means the FO making day-to-day, even inning-by-inning, decisions based on input from expensive analytics. The FO not only sends the starting lineups to the dugout, but also directives about which relief pitchers to use against specific batters, etc.

I'm a fan of neither Mo nor Oli and can't wait until they're both gone, but this is simply not true. They've both publicly stated many, MANY times that Oli handles the roster and in-game management.

Is there one legitimate source that confirms your theory?

I heard MO say it himself on TV. "We send over the lineup everyday. If Shilt (manager then) disagrees, we talk." You can guess how that talk goes.

Later, after the Shilt firing, MO walked this back-- But I still believe this is the way the FO works. One thing you have to keep in mind about the Cardinals: The truth matters much less than PR. Whatever spin they want, the whole organization follows.

Why the change? Two possibilities: 1. MO realized the acknowledgment embarrassed the manager, making it seem like he was basically out of the loop. 2. The truth stuck every bit of blame for every failure on MO himself.

You don't have to believe me if you don't want to. That's fine. I don't take anything people say at face value either. But it would be naïve to believe company spin about it.