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renostl wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 10:46 am

RichieRichSTL wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 09:06 am So far Liberatore has succeeded where he hadn't before as a SP. Assuming he continues to show himself to be a solid starter, the question will be this: in different hands would he have blossomed sooner?

We were spoiled with Dave Duncan. He had a habit of getting the most out of pitchers who struggled elsewhere. I believe one of the reasons they've struggled so much with developing an ace is that we don't have a HOF level pitching coach helping the starters to find the best version of themselves AND we have a FO who look for yes man rather than trusted advisors among manager and his staff.

He is 25. There are top prospects in this years draft who are 21. He has had success in MLB before this season.
TB most might have thought that he may be a player that takes a couple seasons, o/w why not hold him?
They did like him enough to make him #16th overall out of HS.

I think when we take the "he may have done better if" we should also wonder
if he'd done worse. His experiences also helped him.
He's still not a finished product.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2025 00:32 am

renostl wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 10:46 am

RichieRichSTL wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025 09:06 am So far Liberatore has succeeded where he hadn't before as a SP. Assuming he continues to show himself to be a solid starter, the question will be this: in different hands would he have blossomed sooner?

We were spoiled with Dave Duncan. He had a habit of getting the most out of pitchers who struggled elsewhere. I believe one of the reasons they've struggled so much with developing an ace is that we don't have a HOF level pitching coach helping the starters to find the best version of themselves AND we have a FO who look for yes man rather than trusted advisors among manager and his staff.

He is 25. There are top prospects in this years draft who are 21. He has had success in MLB before this season.
TB most might have thought that he may be a player that takes a couple seasons, o/w why not hold him?
They did like him enough to make him #16th overall out of HS.

I think when we take the "he may have done better if" we should also wonder
if he'd done worse. His experiences also helped him.
He's still not a finished product.

Well he said it himself it has helped him greatly knowing he’s going to be pitching every 5th day no matter what instead of not knowing if he was starting or relieving said it helps preparation. So it might not have hurt him but he certainly thinks it didn’t help him being jerked back and forth and think it helps him to know he’s in the rotation and will be relieving