Roster Decisions made...according to KatieWoo

[Melville]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Monty had a 6.23 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 2024.
Far worse than Mikolas.
He followed a full season of dismal with a 15.0 ERA and a 2.66 WHIP. I think that the move had little to do with
being some exceptional culture.

The Cardinals put a ERA of 2.29 and a WHIP of 0.966 in the BP to make way for Libs who hasn't been
successful as of yet in the rotation.
Mikolas has had a decent spring. Moreso than Gray, Pallante, and even Fedde.

McGreevy will get his shot in 30 days here without any harm done.

Solid culture but only if we want to see it. Standing behind players who have done in the past, while moving a
moderately paid SP to the pen who had a productive spring in favor of a player who might have a
future in St. Louis. I have doubt AZ moves Monty to the BP having a ST like Matz.

Point is, Montgomery was not one of the top 5 starters available for AZ - and so they sent him to the BP despite his paycheck.
McGreevy was better than both Mikolas and Matz in 2024 and again in ST - yet he is headed to Memphis while STL made room for the other 2 by going to a 6 man rotation, thereby keeping their paychecks assigned to starting duties.
That type of decision making crushes organizations long term because everyone in it sees the priorities are in many other areas rather than winning.

Thanks for the reply.

I doubt McGreevy is crushed. When handled correctly, the jury is still out, it can also be seen as a positive.
McGreevy sees Libs getting a shot. He sees that the work done by Libs is getting him a shot. He sees the organization
standing behind its veterans who all have earned it in the past. He is currently the first guy up.
Doubtful this group stays healthy, IMO. He's got the next ticket up, even at the DMV, that not bad.

Now if he continues to perform and then gets passed over then maybe he sees the organizations priorities as skewed.
Or as other prospects that I've known they commit to the process that he will get his shot as long as he stays ready.

I completley agree McGreevy will get his shot at some point.
But he also knows he earned a spot right now - and was denied due to contract considerations.
That is the sort of thing that destroys an expectation of winning throughout entire organizations.
Which is exactly what the team has experienced the past 2 seasons.
The issue of McGreevy being denied starts (perhaps 10, perhaps 20, perhaps fewer) is relatively small.
The issue of the team protecting and bubble wrapping anointed veterans based on non-baseball related considerations is huge and the team will never thrive as long as it continues.

[Hoosier59]

Those who are saying that Siani is the last man on the bench and won’t play much evidently haven’t been paying attention to how Oli does things. Do you guys not watch the games ? What you should be saying is “ Siani is the last man on the bench and SHOULD’nt play much, not that he won’t.

[Ozziesfan41]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Monty had a 6.23 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 2024.
Far worse than Mikolas.
He followed a full season of dismal with a 15.0 ERA and a 2.66 WHIP. I think that the move had little to do with
being some exceptional culture.

The Cardinals put a ERA of 2.29 and a WHIP of 0.966 in the BP to make way for Libs who hasn't been
successful as of yet in the rotation.
Mikolas has had a decent spring. Moreso than Gray, Pallante, and even Fedde.

McGreevy will get his shot in 30 days here without any harm done.

Solid culture but only if we want to see it. Standing behind players who have done in the past, while moving a
moderately paid SP to the pen who had a productive spring in favor of a player who might have a
future in St. Louis. I have doubt AZ moves Monty to the BP having a ST like Matz.

Point is, Montgomery was not one of the top 5 starters available for AZ - and so they sent him to the BP despite his paycheck.
McGreevy was better than both Mikolas and Matz in 2024 and again in ST - yet he is headed to Memphis while STL made room for the other 2 by going to a 6 man rotation, thereby keeping their paychecks assigned to starting duties.
That type of decision making crushes organizations long term because everyone in it sees the priorities are in many other areas rather than winning.

Thanks for the reply.

I doubt McGreevy is crushed. When handled correctly, the jury is still out, it can also be seen as a positive.
McGreevy sees Libs getting a shot. He sees that the work done by Libs is getting him a shot. He sees the organization
standing behind its veterans who all have earned it in the past. He is currently the first guy up.
Doubtful this group stays healthy, IMO. He's got the next ticket up, even at the DMV, that not bad.

Now if he continues to perform and then gets passed over then maybe he sees the organizations priorities as skewed.
Or as other prospects that I've known they commit to the process that he will get his shot as long as he stays ready.

I completley agree McGreevy will get his shot at some point.
But he also knows he earned a spot right now - and was denied due to contract considerations.
That is the sort of thing that destroys an expectation of winning throughout entire organizations.
Which is exactly what the team has experienced the past 2 seasons.
The issue of McGreevy being denied starts (perhaps 10, perhaps 20, perhaps fewer) is relatively small.
The issue of the team protecting and bubble wrapping anointed veterans based on non-baseball related considerations is huge and the team will never thrive as long as it continues.

He wasn’t denied due to contract considerations. And destroys expectations of winning? lol hyperbole much? If you want to say cards should have traded fedde and given McGreevy his spot I agree 100%. Liberatore earned a spot also in the rotation and they have so mishandled him I’m glad he’s finally given a shot to start every day. Mcgreevy will get his chance if he lets it get to him and give him a mindset of losing then he sucks anyway and was never going to be good

[Bushiro]

Once again, the team does not make roster decisions based on honest competition to identify the best players.
Instead, players are anointed by the front office well in advance and gifted jobs.
TOXIC CULTURE continues.

agree

No matter what roster decisions we're made you were going to post this. Too bad you weren't in charge these past 25 years.

Doesn't take away the fact he's tight about what he said

[Goldfan]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Monty had a 6.23 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 2024.
Far worse than Mikolas.
He followed a full season of dismal with a 15.0 ERA and a 2.66 WHIP. I think that the move had little to do with
being some exceptional culture.

The Cardinals put a ERA of 2.29 and a WHIP of 0.966 in the BP to make way for Libs who hasn't been
successful as of yet in the rotation.
Mikolas has had a decent spring. Moreso than Gray, Pallante, and even Fedde.

McGreevy will get his shot in 30 days here without any harm done.

Solid culture but only if we want to see it. Standing behind players who have done in the past, while moving a
moderately paid SP to the pen who had a productive spring in favor of a player who might have a
future in St. Louis. I have doubt AZ moves Monty to the BP having a ST like Matz.

Point is, Montgomery was not one of the top 5 starters available for AZ - and so they sent him to the BP despite his paycheck.
McGreevy was better than both Mikolas and Matz in 2024 and again in ST - yet he is headed to Memphis while STL made room for the other 2 by going to a 6 man rotation, thereby keeping their paychecks assigned to starting duties.
That type of decision making crushes organizations long term because everyone in it sees the priorities are in many other areas rather than winning.

Thanks for the reply.

I doubt McGreevy is crushed. When handled correctly, the jury is still out, it can also be seen as a positive.
McGreevy sees Libs getting a shot. He sees that the work done by Libs is getting him a shot. He sees the organization
standing behind its veterans who all have earned it in the past. He is currently the first guy up.
Doubtful this group stays healthy, IMO. He's got the next ticket up, even at the DMV, that not bad.

Now if he continues to perform and then gets passed over then maybe he sees the organizations priorities as skewed.
Or as other prospects that I've known they commit to the process that he will get his shot as long as he stays ready.

I completley agree McGreevy will get his shot at some point.
But he also knows he earned a spot right now - and was denied due to contract considerations.
That is the sort of thing that destroys an expectation of winning throughout entire organizations.
Which is exactly what the team has experienced the past 2 seasons.
The issue of McGreevy being denied starts (perhaps 10, perhaps 20, perhaps fewer) is relatively small.
The issue of the team protecting and bubble wrapping anointed veterans based on non-baseball related considerations is huge and the team will never thrive as long as it continues.

He wasn’t denied due to contract considerations. And destroys expectations of winning? lol hyperbole much? If you want to say cards should have traded fedde and given McGreevy his spot I agree 100%. Liberatore earned a spot also in the rotation and they have so mishandled him I’m glad he’s finally given a shot to start every day. Mcgreevy will get his chance if he lets it get to him and give him a mindset of losing then he sucks anyway and was never going to be good

Forget the contracts……the money is gone
Miles and Matz shouldn’t be starting if the goal is to give kids the innings to see what they have. That was the stated ‘25 mantra
Miles and Matz SUCK
They will add nothing to a sub .500 team
They will return nothing in a trade
They are only taking a spot from a deserving young SP with great potential

[Ozziesfan41]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Monty had a 6.23 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 2024.
Far worse than Mikolas.
He followed a full season of dismal with a 15.0 ERA and a 2.66 WHIP. I think that the move had little to do with
being some exceptional culture.

The Cardinals put a ERA of 2.29 and a WHIP of 0.966 in the BP to make way for Libs who hasn't been
successful as of yet in the rotation.
Mikolas has had a decent spring. Moreso than Gray, Pallante, and even Fedde.

McGreevy will get his shot in 30 days here without any harm done.

Solid culture but only if we want to see it. Standing behind players who have done in the past, while moving a
moderately paid SP to the pen who had a productive spring in favor of a player who might have a
future in St. Louis. I have doubt AZ moves Monty to the BP having a ST like Matz.

Point is, Montgomery was not one of the top 5 starters available for AZ - and so they sent him to the BP despite his paycheck.
McGreevy was better than both Mikolas and Matz in 2024 and again in ST - yet he is headed to Memphis while STL made room for the other 2 by going to a 6 man rotation, thereby keeping their paychecks assigned to starting duties.
That type of decision making crushes organizations long term because everyone in it sees the priorities are in many other areas rather than winning.

Thanks for the reply.

I doubt McGreevy is crushed. When handled correctly, the jury is still out, it can also be seen as a positive.
McGreevy sees Libs getting a shot. He sees that the work done by Libs is getting him a shot. He sees the organization
standing behind its veterans who all have earned it in the past. He is currently the first guy up.
Doubtful this group stays healthy, IMO. He's got the next ticket up, even at the DMV, that not bad.

Now if he continues to perform and then gets passed over then maybe he sees the organizations priorities as skewed.
Or as other prospects that I've known they commit to the process that he will get his shot as long as he stays ready.

I completley agree McGreevy will get his shot at some point.
But he also knows he earned a spot right now - and was denied due to contract considerations.
That is the sort of thing that destroys an expectation of winning throughout entire organizations.
Which is exactly what the team has experienced the past 2 seasons.
The issue of McGreevy being denied starts (perhaps 10, perhaps 20, perhaps fewer) is relatively small.
The issue of the team protecting and bubble wrapping anointed veterans based on non-baseball related considerations is huge and the team will never thrive as long as it continues.

He wasn’t denied due to contract considerations. And destroys expectations of winning? lol hyperbole much? If you want to say cards should have traded fedde and given McGreevy his spot I agree 100%. Liberatore earned a spot also in the rotation and they have so mishandled him I’m glad he’s finally given a shot to start every day. Mcgreevy will get his chance if he lets it get to him and give him a mindset of losing then he sucks anyway and was never going to be good

Forget the contracts……the money is gone
Miles and Matz shouldn’t be starting if the goal is to give kids the innings to see what they have. That was the stated ‘25 mantra
Miles and Matz SUCK
They will add nothing to a sub .500 team
They will return nothing in a trade
They are only taking a spot from a deserving young SP with great potential

This I agree with it doesn’t change my mind about I agree with liebratore starting though.

[Melville]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Monty had a 6.23 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 2024.
Far worse than Mikolas.
He followed a full season of dismal with a 15.0 ERA and a 2.66 WHIP. I think that the move had little to do with
being some exceptional culture.

The Cardinals put a ERA of 2.29 and a WHIP of 0.966 in the BP to make way for Libs who hasn't been
successful as of yet in the rotation.
Mikolas has had a decent spring. Moreso than Gray, Pallante, and even Fedde.

McGreevy will get his shot in 30 days here without any harm done.

Solid culture but only if we want to see it. Standing behind players who have done in the past, while moving a
moderately paid SP to the pen who had a productive spring in favor of a player who might have a
future in St. Louis. I have doubt AZ moves Monty to the BP having a ST like Matz.

Point is, Montgomery was not one of the top 5 starters available for AZ - and so they sent him to the BP despite his paycheck.
McGreevy was better than both Mikolas and Matz in 2024 and again in ST - yet he is headed to Memphis while STL made room for the other 2 by going to a 6 man rotation, thereby keeping their paychecks assigned to starting duties.
That type of decision making crushes organizations long term because everyone in it sees the priorities are in many other areas rather than winning.

Thanks for the reply.

I doubt McGreevy is crushed. When handled correctly, the jury is still out, it can also be seen as a positive.
McGreevy sees Libs getting a shot. He sees that the work done by Libs is getting him a shot. He sees the organization
standing behind its veterans who all have earned it in the past. He is currently the first guy up.
Doubtful this group stays healthy, IMO. He's got the next ticket up, even at the DMV, that not bad.

Now if he continues to perform and then gets passed over then maybe he sees the organizations priorities as skewed.
Or as other prospects that I've known they commit to the process that he will get his shot as long as he stays ready.

I completley agree McGreevy will get his shot at some point.
But he also knows he earned a spot right now - and was denied due to contract considerations.
That is the sort of thing that destroys an expectation of winning throughout entire organizations.
Which is exactly what the team has experienced the past 2 seasons.
The issue of McGreevy being denied starts (perhaps 10, perhaps 20, perhaps fewer) is relatively small.
The issue of the team protecting and bubble wrapping anointed veterans based on non-baseball related considerations is huge and the team will never thrive as long as it continues.

He wasn’t denied due to contract considerations. And destroys expectations of winning? lol hyperbole much? If you want to say cards should have traded fedde and given McGreevy his spot I agree 100%. Liberatore earned a spot also in the rotation and they have so mishandled him I’m glad he’s finally given a shot to start every day. Mcgreevy will get his chance if he lets it get to him and give him a mindset of losing then he sucks anyway and was never going to be good

Forget the contracts……the money is gone
Miles and Matz shouldn’t be starting if the goal is to give kids the innings to see what they have. That was the stated ‘25 mantra
Miles and Matz SUCK
They will add nothing to a sub .500 team
They will return nothing in a trade
They are only taking a spot from a deserving young SP with great potential

Correct.

[bfib]

I don't get all the fuss. So the last man on the roster is a defensive replacement...? Siani is already on the roster. He plays great d. He won't play that much.

Let the other two play in Memphis and get reps.

As for the kinda 6man rotation.... meh ... so a bigger list of guys will get losses and no decisions ...

I am sticking with my low bar. Go Cards

That’s not the problem. The problem is that Siani is nonsensical. We don’t have a backup SS. You have 3 guys that can play SS/OF that hit RH and you go with the LH who doesn’t serve any purpose the prior 3 couldn’t and was absolutely terrible in Spring.

The bigger issue is that they are STILL making dumb decisions

[Melville]

I don't get all the fuss. So the last man on the roster is a defensive replacement...? Siani is already on the roster. He plays great d. He won't play that much.

Let the other two play in Memphis and get reps.

As for the kinda 6man rotation.... meh ... so a bigger list of guys will get losses and no decisions ...

I am sticking with my low bar. Go Cards

That’s not the problem. The problem is that Siani is nonsensical. We don’t have a backup SS. You have 3 guys that can play SS/OF that hit RH and you go with the LH who doesn’t serve any purpose the prior 3 couldn’t and was absolutely terrible in Spring.

The bigger issue is that they are STILL making dumb decisions

Correct.

[hugeCardfan]

Holly c r a p

They got one right (VSII) but then can't help but screw up (AGAIN!) putting Libby in the SR instead of MCG!

And Siani on the team?

Agree it’s a no brainer to make Scott II starting CF’er. Siani isn’t a formidable decision. He’s a fabulous defender who Helsley might appreciate having in lieu of Walker in the 9th inning. He’s interchangeable any time the Cards want to bring up Koperniak or McGreevy. Let them take regular starts in Memphis rather than warm the bench.

[82birds]

I don't get all the fuss. So the last man on the roster is a defensive replacement...? Siani is already on the roster. He plays great d. He won't play that much.

Let the other two play in Memphis and get reps.

As for the kinda 6man rotation.... meh ... so a bigger list of guys will get losses and no decisions ...

I am sticking with my low bar. Go Cards

That’s not the problem. The problem is that Siani is nonsensical. We don’t have a backup SS. You have 3 guys that can play SS/OF that hit RH and you go with the LH who doesn’t serve any purpose the prior 3 couldn’t and was absolutely terrible in Spring.

The bigger issue is that they are STILL making dumb decisions

agree 100 %

[icon]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Monty had a 6.23 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 2024.
Far worse than Mikolas.
He followed a full season of dismal with a 15.0 ERA and a 2.66 WHIP. I think that the move had little to do with
being some exceptional culture.

The Cardinals put a ERA of 2.29 and a WHIP of 0.966 in the BP to make way for Libs who hasn't been
successful as of yet in the rotation.
Mikolas has had a decent spring. Moreso than Gray, Pallante, and even Fedde.

McGreevy will get his shot in 30 days here without any harm done.

Solid culture but only if we want to see it. Standing behind players who have done in the past, while moving a
moderately paid SP to the pen who had a productive spring in favor of a player who might have a
future in St. Louis. I have doubt AZ moves Monty to the BP having a ST like Matz.

Point is, Montgomery was not one of the top 5 starters available for AZ - and so they sent him to the BP despite his paycheck.
McGreevy was better than both Mikolas and Matz in 2024 and again in ST - yet he is headed to Memphis while STL made room for the other 2 by going to a 6 man rotation, thereby keeping their paychecks assigned to starting duties.
That type of decision making crushes organizations long term because everyone in it sees the priorities are in many other areas rather than winning.

Thanks for the reply.

I doubt McGreevy is crushed. When handled correctly, the jury is still out, it can also be seen as a positive.
McGreevy sees Libs getting a shot. He sees that the work done by Libs is getting him a shot. He sees the organization
standing behind its veterans who all have earned it in the past. He is currently the first guy up.
Doubtful this group stays healthy, IMO. He's got the next ticket up, even at the DMV, that not bad.

Now if he continues to perform and then gets passed over then maybe he sees the organizations priorities as skewed.
Or as other prospects that I've known they commit to the process that he will get his shot as long as he stays ready.

I completley agree McGreevy will get his shot at some point.
But he also knows he earned a spot right now - and was denied due to contract considerations.
That is the sort of thing that destroys an expectation of winning throughout entire organizations.
Which is exactly what the team has experienced the past 2 seasons.
The issue of McGreevy being denied starts (perhaps 10, perhaps 20, perhaps fewer) is relatively small.
The issue of the team protecting and bubble wrapping anointed veterans based on non-baseball related considerations is huge and the team will never thrive as long as it continues.

He wasn’t denied due to contract considerations. And destroys expectations of winning? lol hyperbole much? If you want to say cards should have traded fedde and given McGreevy his spot I agree 100%. Liberatore earned a spot also in the rotation and they have so mishandled him I’m glad he’s finally given a shot to start every day. Mcgreevy will get his chance if he lets it get to him and give him a mindset of losing then he sucks anyway and was never going to be good

OMG, the case of the "forsaken" McGreevy. I'll bet he's curled up in the fetal position right now. How will he ever survive this slight?!

And I'm not referring to you, Ozzie. I am to the usually hyperbolic Melville. Same ol'.

[JuanAgosto]

Scott will start in CF on Opening Day. After that, who knows? It'll be a daily surprise to see which idiotic lineup Mo and the game strategist give lil oli to play.

A competent organization would have better options. A real manager would demand better.

[Cusecards]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Monty had a 6.23 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 2024.
Far worse than Mikolas.
He followed a full season of dismal with a 15.0 ERA and a 2.66 WHIP. I think that the move had little to do with
being some exceptional culture.

The Cardinals put a ERA of 2.29 and a WHIP of 0.966 in the BP to make way for Libs who hasn't been
successful as of yet in the rotation.
Mikolas has had a decent spring. Moreso than Gray, Pallante, and even Fedde.

McGreevy will get his shot in 30 days here without any harm done.

Solid culture but only if we want to see it. Standing behind players who have done in the past, while moving a
moderately paid SP to the pen who had a productive spring in favor of a player who might have a
future in St. Louis. I have doubt AZ moves Monty to the BP having a ST like Matz.

Point is, Montgomery was not one of the top 5 starters available for AZ - and so they sent him to the BP despite his paycheck.
McGreevy was better than both Mikolas and Matz in 2024 and again in ST - yet he is headed to Memphis while STL made room for the other 2 by going to a 6 man rotation, thereby keeping their paychecks assigned to starting duties.
That type of decision making crushes organizations long term because everyone in it sees the priorities are in many other areas rather than winning.

Thanks for the reply.

I doubt McGreevy is crushed. When handled correctly, the jury is still out, it can also be seen as a positive.
McGreevy sees Libs getting a shot. He sees that the work done by Libs is getting him a shot. He sees the organization
standing behind its veterans who all have earned it in the past. He is currently the first guy up.
Doubtful this group stays healthy, IMO. He's got the next ticket up, even at the DMV, that not bad.

Now if he continues to perform and then gets passed over then maybe he sees the organizations priorities as skewed.
Or as other prospects that I've known they commit to the process that he will get his shot as long as he stays ready.

I completley agree McGreevy will get his shot at some point.
But he also knows he earned a spot right now - and was denied due to contract considerations.
That is the sort of thing that destroys an expectation of winning throughout entire organizations.
Which is exactly what the team has experienced the past 2 seasons.
The issue of McGreevy being denied starts (perhaps 10, perhaps 20, perhaps fewer) is relatively small.
The issue of the team protecting and bubble wrapping anointed veterans based on non-baseball related considerations is huge and the team will never thrive as long as it continues.

He wasn’t denied due to contract considerations. And destroys expectations of winning? lol hyperbole much? If you want to say cards should have traded fedde and given McGreevy his spot I agree 100%. Liberatore earned a spot also in the rotation and they have so mishandled him I’m glad he’s finally given a shot to start every day. Mcgreevy will get his chance if he lets it get to him and give him a mindset of losing then he sucks anyway and was never going to be good

OMG, the case of the "forsaken" McGreevy. I'll bet he's curled up in the fetal position right now. How will he ever survive this slight?!

And I'm not referring to you, Ozzie. I am to the usually hyperbolic Melville. Same ol'.

LMFAO
“Fetal position” just made my day!
ME-ville will forever be the Sideshow Clown.
Go Cards!

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What Siani does allow the Cardinals is a great defensive outfield by substituting Siani for Walker late in games with the lead, and having an outfield of VS II, Siani and Nootbaar. Donovan would be at 2B for best defensive infield. If we're not going to score a lot of runs, and we may not, we're going to have to hold on to the lead when we get it.

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Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Monty had a 6.23 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 2024.
Far worse than Mikolas.
He followed a full season of dismal with a 15.0 ERA and a 2.66 WHIP. I think that the move had little to do with
being some exceptional culture.

The Cardinals put a ERA of 2.29 and a WHIP of 0.966 in the BP to make way for Libs who hasn't been
successful as of yet in the rotation.
Mikolas has had a decent spring. Moreso than Gray, Pallante, and even Fedde.

McGreevy will get his shot in 30 days here without any harm done.

Solid culture but only if we want to see it. Standing behind players who have done in the past, while moving a
moderately paid SP to the pen who had a productive spring in favor of a player who might have a
future in St. Louis. I have doubt AZ moves Monty to the BP having a ST like Matz.

Point is, Montgomery was not one of the top 5 starters available for AZ - and so they sent him to the BP despite his paycheck.
McGreevy was better than both Mikolas and Matz in 2024 and again in ST - yet he is headed to Memphis while STL made room for the other 2 by going to a 6 man rotation, thereby keeping their paychecks assigned to starting duties.
That type of decision making crushes organizations long term because everyone in it sees the priorities are in many other areas rather than winning.

Thanks for the reply.

I doubt McGreevy is crushed. When handled correctly, the jury is still out, it can also be seen as a positive.
McGreevy sees Libs getting a shot. He sees that the work done by Libs is getting him a shot. He sees the organization
standing behind its veterans who all have earned it in the past. He is currently the first guy up.
Doubtful this group stays healthy, IMO. He's got the next ticket up, even at the DMV, that not bad.

Now if he continues to perform and then gets passed over then maybe he sees the organizations priorities as skewed.
Or as other prospects that I've known they commit to the process that he will get his shot as long as he stays ready.

I completley agree McGreevy will get his shot at some point.
But he also knows he earned a spot right now - and was denied due to contract considerations.
That is the sort of thing that destroys an expectation of winning throughout entire organizations.
Which is exactly what the team has experienced the past 2 seasons.
The issue of McGreevy being denied starts (perhaps 10, perhaps 20, perhaps fewer) is relatively small.
The issue of the team protecting and bubble wrapping anointed veterans based on non-baseball related considerations is huge and the team will never thrive as long as it continues.

Matz outpitched Pallante he arguably was 1 of the top 5 and sent to the BP
with his larger paycheck. Much more difficult than sending Monty who maybe should be cut
versus taking a job from a more deserving RP. Better culture?

IF we are using the ST as the only part of the decision process.
They did move Matz out. The pitcher that's getting the ire of fans left is Mikolas.
Mikolas had a decent ST. Matz had a good one, perhaps he's upset with the
lack of the commitment to winning too.
The point is if there were bubble wrapping of the SP's, and ST was deciding factors
then question why Pallante, why Gray. We come up with reasons for them.

McGreevy and the rest of the team really shouldn't have issue with this. Fans with an issue
are mostly with the fact that FO didn't clear a path for a couple of the younger pitchers.
That's fair. That's consistent after this offseason.

IMO the list of young SP's isn't long that could be ready. Pallante, Libs, McGreevy, and Mathews.
Two are getting it at a cost to Matz. IF the other two are able to maintain they will too. Mathews had to see his shot as being
long for OD roster. I could be wrong. McGreevy, if he has any issue, it would be more with outpitching Pallante than any of
Gray, Fedde, Mikolas, Matz, or Libs getting the job that he deserved. Pallante though is young and fits the vernacular.
Although that's not consistent with using ST as a deciding factor.