The Fowler waste looks even WORSE than I thought

[Chubbs0910]

Fantasy land with the Stockholm Syndrome Bluesers.

Arrogance MO’s downfall? Wow, where else have we seen that in stl? Laughing hard.

Glad I'm not the only one who sees the hypocrisy in that statement.

You cant say anything objective or realistic about the team or it's players potential without severe defensiveness here.

[TheJackBurton]

That era with John Davidson in charge was when the Checketts Group owned the team. JD did a good job with the rebuild considering the circumstances. I hated every day Checketts owned the team. He was asked day 1 if he was committed to keeping the team in St. Louis and refused to answer the question. Checketts had no loyalty to St. Louis. Thankfully, the current local group headed by Stillman bought the team from Checketts. This group is willing to spend to the cap to compete, brought a Cup to St. Louis and is loyal to the city. I'm not going to complain if they don't want to do a full rebuild.

Davidson and Jarmo deserve as much credit or more for the cup as Army in terms of the roster. Even the moves army made were possible because they had the cap space and a ton of talent to trade.

Army added 4 things basically. A new coach (after Hitch his choice of Payne failed but Berube worked, a new goalie (after riding Jake Allen to last place, Binnington bailed everyone out), jbo and ror.

That's funny.
Good one.
You need to use Blue font next time or people will think you're actually being serious and are that stupid.

No supporting evidence just pounding the table. Same story from Army lovers.

Jarmo drafted Schwartz, Petro, and Tarasenko (and Army made the trade to move up and get him). That's it.
He left in 2006.
Your complete and utter hatred for Army clouds your judgement. Always has, always will.
You and Bomac....two (or one) of a kind.

How about the assets needed to attain ROR/JBo/Schenn, much less the cap room and much of the supporting cast. Also Sunny was a good trade, but he basically gave away Oshie.

I dont hate Army i just don't think he deserves all the credit for the cup. He was on the verge of losing his job before Berube and Binnington bailed him out.

And I think he deserves most the credit for where they are now, about to miss the playoffs for a 3rd year.

So no praise for the Cup, but all the blame for the missed playoffs.

Makes sense.

[Chubbs0910]

That era with John Davidson in charge was when the Checketts Group owned the team. JD did a good job with the rebuild considering the circumstances. I hated every day Checketts owned the team. He was asked day 1 if he was committed to keeping the team in St. Louis and refused to answer the question. Checketts had no loyalty to St. Louis. Thankfully, the current local group headed by Stillman bought the team from Checketts. This group is willing to spend to the cap to compete, brought a Cup to St. Louis and is loyal to the city. I'm not going to complain if they don't want to do a full rebuild.

Davidson and Jarmo deserve as much credit or more for the cup as Army in terms of the roster. Even the moves army made were possible because they had the cap space and a ton of talent to trade.

Army added 4 things basically. A new coach (after Hitch his choice of Payne failed but Berube worked, a new goalie (after riding Jake Allen to last place, Binnington bailed everyone out), jbo and ror.

That's funny.
Good one.
You need to use Blue font next time or people will think you're actually being serious and are that stupid.

No supporting evidence just pounding the table. Same story from Army lovers.

Jarmo drafted Schwartz, Petro, and Tarasenko (and Army made the trade to move up and get him). That's it.
He left in 2006.
Your complete and utter hatred for Army clouds your judgement. Always has, always will.
You and Bomac....two (or one) of a kind.

How about the assets needed to attain ROR/JBo/Schenn, much less the cap room and much of the supporting cast. Also Sunny was a good trade, but he basically gave away Oshie.

I dont hate Army i just don't think he deserves all the credit for the cup. He was on the verge of losing his job before Berube and Binnington bailed him out.

And I think he deserves most the credit for where they are now, about to miss the playoffs for a 3rd year.

So no praise for the Cup, but all the blame for the missed playoffs.

Makes sense.

Lol that's literally the first sentence of my first post in this chain.

[TheJackBurton]

That era with John Davidson in charge was when the Checketts Group owned the team. JD did a good job with the rebuild considering the circumstances. I hated every day Checketts owned the team. He was asked day 1 if he was committed to keeping the team in St. Louis and refused to answer the question. Checketts had no loyalty to St. Louis. Thankfully, the current local group headed by Stillman bought the team from Checketts. This group is willing to spend to the cap to compete, brought a Cup to St. Louis and is loyal to the city. I'm not going to complain if they don't want to do a full rebuild.

Davidson and Jarmo deserve as much credit or more for the cup as Army in terms of the roster. Even the moves army made were possible because they had the cap space and a ton of talent to trade.

Army added 4 things basically. A new coach (after Hitch his choice of Payne failed but Berube worked, a new goalie (after riding Jake Allen to last place, Binnington bailed everyone out), jbo and ror.

That's funny.
Good one.
You need to use Blue font next time or people will think you're actually being serious and are that stupid.

No supporting evidence just pounding the table. Same story from Army lovers.

Jarmo drafted Schwartz, Petro, and Tarasenko (and Army made the trade to move up and get him). That's it.
He left in 2006.
Your complete and utter hatred for Army clouds your judgement. Always has, always will.
You and Bomac....two (or one) of a kind.

How about the assets needed to attain ROR/JBo/Schenn, much less the cap room and much of the supporting cast. Also Sunny was a good trade, but he basically gave away Oshie.

I dont hate Army i just don't think he deserves all the credit for the cup. He was on the verge of losing his job before Berube and Binnington bailed him out.

And I think he deserves most the credit for where they are now, about to miss the playoffs for a 3rd year.

So no praise for the Cup, but all the blame for the missed playoffs.

Makes sense.

Lol that's literally the first sentence of my first post in this chain.

Who on the cup team was Davidson and Jarmo responsible for?

Perron?

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

[Chubbs0910]

That era with John Davidson in charge was when the Checketts Group owned the team. JD did a good job with the rebuild considering the circumstances. I hated every day Checketts owned the team. He was asked day 1 if he was committed to keeping the team in St. Louis and refused to answer the question. Checketts had no loyalty to St. Louis. Thankfully, the current local group headed by Stillman bought the team from Checketts. This group is willing to spend to the cap to compete, brought a Cup to St. Louis and is loyal to the city. I'm not going to complain if they don't want to do a full rebuild.

Davidson and Jarmo deserve as much credit or more for the cup as Army in terms of the roster. Even the moves army made were possible because they had the cap space and a ton of talent to trade.

Army added 4 things basically. A new coach (after Hitch his choice of Payne failed but Berube worked, a new goalie (after riding Jake Allen to last place, Binnington bailed everyone out), jbo and ror.

That's funny.
Good one.
You need to use Blue font next time or people will think you're actually being serious and are that stupid.

No supporting evidence just pounding the table. Same story from Army lovers.

Jarmo drafted Schwartz, Petro, and Tarasenko (and Army made the trade to move up and get him). That's it.
He left in 2006.
Your complete and utter hatred for Army clouds your judgement. Always has, always will.
You and Bomac....two (or one) of a kind.

How about the assets needed to attain ROR/JBo/Schenn, much less the cap room and much of the supporting cast. Also Sunny was a good trade, but he basically gave away Oshie.

I dont hate Army i just don't think he deserves all the credit for the cup. He was on the verge of losing his job before Berube and Binnington bailed him out.

And I think he deserves most the credit for where they are now, about to miss the playoffs for a 3rd year.

So no praise for the Cup, but all the blame for the missed playoffs.

Makes sense.

Lol that's literally the first sentence of my first post in this chain.

Who on the cup team was Davidson and Jarmo responsible for?

Perron?

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Revisionist history with no understanding of how a cup winning roster is built over time by accumulating resources and smart contracts.

Blind loyalty in the face of increasingly bad results. It's a tough hill you're on. The ship is all but sunk but you're still praising the captain.

[TheJackBurton]

That era with John Davidson in charge was when the Checketts Group owned the team. JD did a good job with the rebuild considering the circumstances. I hated every day Checketts owned the team. He was asked day 1 if he was committed to keeping the team in St. Louis and refused to answer the question. Checketts had no loyalty to St. Louis. Thankfully, the current local group headed by Stillman bought the team from Checketts. This group is willing to spend to the cap to compete, brought a Cup to St. Louis and is loyal to the city. I'm not going to complain if they don't want to do a full rebuild.

Davidson and Jarmo deserve as much credit or more for the cup as Army in terms of the roster. Even the moves army made were possible because they had the cap space and a ton of talent to trade.

Army added 4 things basically. A new coach (after Hitch his choice of Payne failed but Berube worked, a new goalie (after riding Jake Allen to last place, Binnington bailed everyone out), jbo and ror.

That's funny.
Good one.
You need to use Blue font next time or people will think you're actually being serious and are that stupid.

No supporting evidence just pounding the table. Same story from Army lovers.

Jarmo drafted Schwartz, Petro, and Tarasenko (and Army made the trade to move up and get him). That's it.
He left in 2006.
Your complete and utter hatred for Army clouds your judgement. Always has, always will.
You and Bomac....two (or one) of a kind.

How about the assets needed to attain ROR/JBo/Schenn, much less the cap room and much of the supporting cast. Also Sunny was a good trade, but he basically gave away Oshie.

I dont hate Army i just don't think he deserves all the credit for the cup. He was on the verge of losing his job before Berube and Binnington bailed him out.

And I think he deserves most the credit for where they are now, about to miss the playoffs for a 3rd year.

So no praise for the Cup, but all the blame for the missed playoffs.

Makes sense.

Lol that's literally the first sentence of my first post in this chain.

Who on the cup team was Davidson and Jarmo responsible for?

Perron?

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Revisionist history with no understanding of how a cup winning roster is built over time by accumulating resources and smart contracts.

Blind loyalty in the face of increasingly bad results. It's a tough hill you're on. The ship is all but sunk but you're still praising the captain.

I agree. Just weird for you to say it since it seems to be an issue for you to understand.

[Chubbs0910]

That era with John Davidson in charge was when the Checketts Group owned the team. JD did a good job with the rebuild considering the circumstances. I hated every day Checketts owned the team. He was asked day 1 if he was committed to keeping the team in St. Louis and refused to answer the question. Checketts had no loyalty to St. Louis. Thankfully, the current local group headed by Stillman bought the team from Checketts. This group is willing to spend to the cap to compete, brought a Cup to St. Louis and is loyal to the city. I'm not going to complain if they don't want to do a full rebuild.

Davidson and Jarmo deserve as much credit or more for the cup as Army in terms of the roster. Even the moves army made were possible because they had the cap space and a ton of talent to trade.

Army added 4 things basically. A new coach (after Hitch his choice of Payne failed but Berube worked, a new goalie (after riding Jake Allen to last place, Binnington bailed everyone out), jbo and ror.

That's funny.
Good one.
You need to use Blue font next time or people will think you're actually being serious and are that stupid.

No supporting evidence just pounding the table. Same story from Army lovers.

Jarmo drafted Schwartz, Petro, and Tarasenko (and Army made the trade to move up and get him). That's it.
He left in 2006.
Your complete and utter hatred for Army clouds your judgement. Always has, always will.
You and Bomac....two (or one) of a kind.

How about the assets needed to attain ROR/JBo/Schenn, much less the cap room and much of the supporting cast. Also Sunny was a good trade, but he basically gave away Oshie.

I dont hate Army i just don't think he deserves all the credit for the cup. He was on the verge of losing his job before Berube and Binnington bailed him out.

And I think he deserves most the credit for where they are now, about to miss the playoffs for a 3rd year.

So no praise for the Cup, but all the blame for the missed playoffs.

Makes sense.

Lol that's literally the first sentence of my first post in this chain.

Who on the cup team was Davidson and Jarmo responsible for?

Perron?

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Revisionist history with no understanding of how a cup winning roster is built over time by accumulating resources and smart contracts.

Blind loyalty in the face of increasingly bad results. It's a tough hill you're on. The ship is all but sunk but you're still praising the captain.

I agree. Just weird for you to say it since it seems to be an issue for you to understand.

Ah the child's response of..

"I know you are but what am I?"

Seems about right.

[sdaltons]

So just to review. No GM who wins a Cup within at least the first 9 years of their tenure deserves the credit because no matter how many moves they make, they could only have done so with the pieces left behind by the previous GM.

[Chubbs0910]

So just to review. No GM who wins a Cup within at least the first 9 years of their tenure deserves the credit because no matter how many moves they make, they could only have done so with the pieces left behind by the previous GM.

Review my first post.

[netboy65]

The game-seven Cup team had one Blues draftee in the top 10; Petro at number 4.

And Petro is still assisting the Blues cup efforts. Oh wait. Never mind. He's helping with other cups now.

I'm curious how many other teams have let their high-valued draft picks walk so soon after a cup?!!!!

Possibly the answer regarding Blues/Petro may explain WHY THE BLUES DON'T WANT ANOTHER HIGH 1st ROUND PICK.

Nail Yakupov was a #1 overall.

Maybe we should get him.

We did. I’m still stunned we didn’t win the Cup that year. Maybe we should have gotten Daigle too??

[sdaltons]

So just to review. No GM who wins a Cup within at least the first 9 years of their tenure deserves the credit because no matter how many moves they make, they could only have done so with the pieces left behind by the previous GM.

Review my first post.

Ok no more than half the credit.

How many years into the tenure does the Cup need to be for the existing GM to earn 75%?

[sdaltons]

The game-seven Cup team had one Blues draftee in the top 10; Petro at number 4.

And Petro is still assisting the Blues cup efforts. Oh wait. Never mind. He's helping with other cups now.

I'm curious how many other teams have let their high-valued draft picks walk so soon after a cup?!!!!

Possibly the answer regarding Blues/Petro may explain WHY THE BLUES DON'T WANT ANOTHER HIGH 1st ROUND PICK.

Nail Yakupov was a #1 overall.

Maybe we should get him.

We did. I’m still stunned we didn’t win the Cup that year. Maybe we should have gotten Daigle too??

DiPietro in the nets was obviously the missing piece

[Chubbs0910]

So just to review. No GM who wins a Cup within at least the first 9 years of their tenure deserves the credit because no matter how many moves they make, they could only have done so with the pieces left behind by the previous GM.

Review my first post.

Ok no more than half the credit.

How many years into the tenure does the Cup need to be for the existing GM to earn 75%?

I only speak to the Blues org. And I am 100% confident saying Army built on the extremely strong foundation that was already in place. He deserves credit for that. But he also deserves credit for the dramatic fall.

[sdaltons]

So just to review. No GM who wins a Cup within at least the first 9 years of their tenure deserves the credit because no matter how many moves they make, they could only have done so with the pieces left behind by the previous GM.

Review my first post.

Ok no more than half the credit.

How many years into the tenure does the Cup need to be for the existing GM to earn 75%?

I only speak to the Blues org. And I am 100% confident saying Army built on the extremely strong foundation that was already in place. He deserves credit for that. But he also deserves credit for the dramatic fall.

It would not make sense for this not to apply to all teams. Every GM who has won inherits what they inherit and builds from there.

So when would we have needed to win that first Cup for Army to get 75? 2025? Would 15 years have been enough?

[Chubbs0910]

So just to review. No GM who wins a Cup within at least the first 9 years of their tenure deserves the credit because no matter how many moves they make, they could only have done so with the pieces left behind by the previous GM.

Review my first post.

Ok no more than half the credit.

How many years into the tenure does the Cup need to be for the existing GM to earn 75%?

I only speak to the Blues org. And I am 100% confident saying Army built on the extremely strong foundation that was already in place. He deserves credit for that. But he also deserves credit for the dramatic fall.

It would not make sense for this not to apply to all teams. Every GM who has won inherits what they inherit and builds from there.

So when would we have needed to win that first Cup for Army to get 75? 2025? Would 15 years have been enough?

No I would not apply this logic to Steen as Army has left him a lackluster foundation.

[sdaltons]

So just to review. No GM who wins a Cup within at least the first 9 years of their tenure deserves the credit because no matter how many moves they make, they could only have done so with the pieces left behind by the previous GM.

Review my first post.

Ok no more than half the credit.

How many years into the tenure does the Cup need to be for the existing GM to earn 75%?

I only speak to the Blues org. And I am 100% confident saying Army built on the extremely strong foundation that was already in place. He deserves credit for that. But he also deserves credit for the dramatic fall.

It would not make sense for this not to apply to all teams. Every GM who has won inherits what they inherit and builds from there.

So when would we have needed to win that first Cup for Army to get 75? 2025? Would 15 years have been enough?

No I would not apply this logic to Steen as Army has left him a lackluster foundation.

So what year then?

And someone said the Cup roster had one guy brought in before Army took over. I can think of two but that doesn't change things much. If we hadn't still had Perron and Allen, would that have helped?

Keep in mind, I'm not even trying to get to full credit. Just 75%. 9 years and 2 leftover players only gets you 50%.