Army is out of options

[BalotelliMassive]

you mean the guy who completely turned the NHL world upside down last off season by offer sheeting two top 15 picks and getting both?

That guy has had the game pass him by?

We don't know...those offer sheets might have po'd the good ole boys club and now he's black-listed from trade talk.

Has he made any trades since then? I don't remember any...

[theograce]

you mean the guy who completely turned the NHL world upside down last off season by offer sheeting two top 15 picks and getting both?

That guy has had the game pass him by?

We don't know...those offer sheets might have po'd the good ole boys club and now he's black-listed from trade talk.

Has he made any trades since then? I don't remember any...

Holloway is still bitter and wants to be in EDM and people act like Broberg is a top dman the NHL

It’s kinda funny

[MiamiLaw]

you mean the guy who completely turned the NHL world upside down last off season by offer sheeting two top 15 picks and getting both?

That guy has had the game pass him by?

We don't know...those offer sheets might have po'd the good ole boys club and now he's black-listed from trade talk.

Has he made any trades since then? I don't remember any...

Holloway is still bitter and wants to be in EDM and people act like Broberg is a top dman the NHL

It’s kinda funny

Where are you getting that Holloway is bitter? Signing the offer sheet is voluntary yea? It isn't like he was traded to STL against his will like Rantanen or something.

Not saying he is or isn't, as I have no clue, but this is the first I've ever seen that one.

[theograce]

you mean the guy who completely turned the NHL world upside down last off season by offer sheeting two top 15 picks and getting both?

That guy has had the game pass him by?

We don't know...those offer sheets might have po'd the good ole boys club and now he's black-listed from trade talk.

Has he made any trades since then? I don't remember any...

Holloway is still bitter and wants to be in EDM and people act like Broberg is a top dman the NHL

It’s kinda funny

Where are you getting that Holloway is bitter? Signing the offer sheet is voluntary yea? It isn't like he was traded to STL against his will like Rantanen or something.

Not saying he is or isn't, as I have no clue, but this is the first I've ever seen that one.

Holloway was very upset and spoke about it. Guys in the know told me even more about it.

[a smell of green grass]

you mean the guy who completely turned the NHL world upside down last off season by offer sheeting two top 15 picks and getting both?

That guy has had the game pass him by?

We don't know...those offer sheets might have po'd the good ole boys club and now he's black-listed from trade talk.

Has he made any trades since then? I don't remember any...

I agree with you that Army may have seriously ruffled some feathers.

However, Bolduc for Mailloux did come after. My guess is that the other GMs will continue to be happy to fleece Army. They are not too upset to avoid that.

[skilles]

It amazes me how much people want to address symptoms and sell low on everything....just silly.

There is a big issue somewhere that needs addressed.

To me its actually stillman that is out of options, this team was either put together wrong or its being managed wrong.


My guess is we can't figure it out because the people in charge of figuring out the problem are the problem. When you start thinking it seems like all the little guys need fired you probably better start looking up the ladder.

[tfriede2]

you mean the guy who completely turned the NHL world upside down last off season by offer sheeting two top 15 picks and getting both?

That guy has had the game pass him by?

We don't know...those offer sheets might have po'd the good ole boys club and now he's black-listed from trade talk.

Has he made any trades since then? I don't remember any...

Holloway is still bitter and wants to be in EDM and people act like Broberg is a top dman the NHL

It’s kinda funny

Where are you getting that Holloway is bitter? Signing the offer sheet is voluntary yea? It isn't like he was traded to STL against his will like Rantanen or something.

Not saying he is or isn't, as I have no clue, but this is the first I've ever seen that one.

Holloway was very upset and spoke about it. Guys in the know told me even more about it.

He’s bitter at Edmonton but wants to go back to the place he was bitter with? Interesting interpretation, to say the least.

[Jeff Goldblum]

you mean the guy who completely turned the NHL world upside down last off season by offer sheeting two top 15 picks and getting both?

That guy has had the game pass him by?

We don't know...those offer sheets might have po'd the good ole boys club and now he's black-listed from trade talk.

Has he made any trades since then? I don't remember any...

Holloway is still bitter and wants to be in EDM and people act like Broberg is a top dman the NHL

It’s kinda funny

Where are you getting that Holloway is bitter? Signing the offer sheet is voluntary yea? It isn't like he was traded to STL against his will like Rantanen or something.

Not saying he is or isn't, as I have no clue, but this is the first I've ever seen that one.

Holloway was very upset and spoke about it. Guys in the know told me even more about it.

He’s bitter at Edmonton but wants to go back to the place he was bitter with? Interesting interpretation, to say the least.

Thats the same troll who claims Kyrou doesn't want to be traded because he isnt happy with the Blues...

[theograce]

you mean the guy who completely turned the NHL world upside down last off season by offer sheeting two top 15 picks and getting both?

That guy has had the game pass him by?

We don't know...those offer sheets might have po'd the good ole boys club and now he's black-listed from trade talk.

Has he made any trades since then? I don't remember any...

Holloway is still bitter and wants to be in EDM and people act like Broberg is a top dman the NHL

It’s kinda funny

Where are you getting that Holloway is bitter? Signing the offer sheet is voluntary yea? It isn't like he was traded to STL against his will like Rantanen or something.

Not saying he is or isn't, as I have no clue, but this is the first I've ever seen that one.

Holloway was very upset and spoke about it. Guys in the know told me even more about it.

He’s bitter at Edmonton but wants to go back to the place he was bitter with? Interesting interpretation, to say the least.

“I’m an Alberta boy” identify is pretty fixed bud. Does that bother you?

[DawgDad]

The OP was an open call for hot troll garbage, and that's what all this is.

[TheJackBurton]

Armstrong’s days are done — the game has completely passed him by. I mean, look at what Zito’s doing in Florida, BriseBois in Tampa, even Kent Hughes in Montreal. Meanwhile, Armstrong’s still stuck trying to figure out the basics. Time to retire now and not at the end.

you mean the guy who completely turned the NHL world upside down last off season by offer sheeting two top 15 picks and getting both?

That guy has had the game pass him by?

I mean its kind of overblown, getting those 2 players was great but it was more incompetence on the other end than some kind of act of genius. Sounds like quite a few teams did the same think and luckily they chose the Blues.

Anyway its not that Army has always been bad at all but its time to make changes and quit knee jerking all the symptoms.

We are not getting any where near a reasonable return on the money being spent or the players we have and its been that way for awhile and its time for changes....sometimes the best thing about a new culture is that its new.

Its not always about blaming or fault or whatever, sometimes its just about starting a new chapter.

if it was overblown why did none of the other 31 GM's take advantage?

Why has it never been done before?

Which is more important why it happened or that it happened?

[TheJackBurton]

you mean the guy who completely turned the NHL world upside down last off season by offer sheeting two top 15 picks and getting both?

That guy has had the game pass him by?

We don't know...those offer sheets might have po'd the good ole boys club and now he's black-listed from trade talk.

Has he made any trades since then? I don't remember any...

If it (upset) them off, why was there such a concern of so many of them being done this off season?

Hell we were worried that teams were going to offer sheet Hofer.

If the other GM's don't like the rule get it changed, but don't get (upset) because you failed to do your job.

[Harry S Deals]

you mean the guy who completely turned the NHL world upside down last off season by offer sheeting two top 15 picks and getting both?

That guy has had the game pass him by?

We don't know...those offer sheets might have po'd the good ole boys club and now he's black-listed from trade talk.

Has he made any trades since then? I don't remember any...

Holloway is still bitter and wants to be in EDM and people act like Broberg is a top dman the NHL

It’s kinda funny

Where are you getting that Holloway is bitter? Signing the offer sheet is voluntary yea? It isn't like he was traded to STL against his will like Rantanen or something.

Not saying he is or isn't, as I have no clue, but this is the first I've ever seen that one.

Holloway was very upset and spoke about it. Guys in the know told me even more about it.

He’s bitter at Edmonton but wants to go back to the place he was bitter with? Interesting interpretation, to say the least.

Thats the same troll who claims Kyrou doesn't want to be traded because he isnt happy with the Blues...

Hmm so why would Holloway leave Edmonton and accept the Blues deal, because he was not happy with coming to STL? Lol, ok....brilliant. Or is he really grateful the Blues organization saw his potential and paid him and gave him top 6 ice time? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm bet im right

[Pierre McGuire]

The OP was an open call for hot troll garbage, and that's what all this is.

Pretty sure everyone here knows I don’t troll. This was a thread for discussion purposes for the forum.

[callitwhatyouwant]

It amazes me how much people want to address symptoms and sell low on everything....just silly.

There is a big issue somewhere that needs addressed.

To me its actually stillman that is out of options, this team was either put together wrong or its being managed wrong.


My guess is we can't figure it out because the people in charge of figuring out the problem are the problem. When you start thinking it seems like all the little guys need fired you probably better start looking up the ladder.

The problems are a lot less glaring than you me or all the posters think it is. Transport yourself back to last year. What was the difference between that team and this team after we hired Monty? The team had a little quick few game juice and then went .500. The fan base was OK with this because it was a multiple year process. The offer sheet boys moved that window up a nudge. But we were talking 3 years meaning the target was supposed to be next season to be competitive. We made the playoffs because of a huge run of what is proving to be unsustainable hockey for this group.

What has happened this year? We have had more injuries this year than last. We are playing a younger line up today than we did last year. We are currently playing .500 hockey post thanksgiving. Very similar to what the results were last year.

So what has changed? The fan expectations have changed. Partly because we made the playoffs and were close to a first round upset. And partly because the GM and HC set a higher bar. But do you know what the bar was? It was to be a 5-8 Wild Card team. They thought, "hmm it looks like we should be a playoff team. We aren't in the tier of teams like the Avalanche and Dallas so we aren't expecting to be there."

The fans are showing up to the Arena which is a good thing. But the online fans have proven that they aren't capable of a full rebuild. They can't even handle an injury ridden season where we are the 9th youngest team in the league. What do you think this is going to look like if they tore it down to the studs? They also don't want to do that because of guys like Hofer/Thomas/Broberg/Holloway/Neighbours. They have made it very clear that they want those guys to have a chance to win. If you tear it down you are talking 5 years from now. That means you have to get rid of all of those players as well.

We are basically on the same trajectory we were before the start of last year but with more youth and more injury.

[DawgDad]

It amazes me how much people want to address symptoms and sell low on everything....just silly.

There is a big issue somewhere that needs addressed.

To me its actually stillman that is out of options, this team was either put together wrong or its being managed wrong.


My guess is we can't figure it out because the people in charge of figuring out the problem are the problem. When you start thinking it seems like all the little guys need fired you probably better start looking up the ladder.

The problems are a lot less glaring than you me or all the posters think it is. Transport yourself back to last year. What was the difference between that team and this team after we hired Monty? The team had a little quick few game juice and then went .500. The fan base was OK with this because it was a multiple year process. The offer sheet boys moved that window up a nudge. But we were talking 3 years meaning the target was supposed to be next season to be competitive. We made the playoffs because of a huge run of what is proving to be unsustainable hockey for this group.

What has happened this year? We have had more injuries this year than last. We are playing a younger line up today than we did last year. We are currently playing .500 hockey post thanksgiving. Very similar to what the results were last year.

So what has changed? The fan expectations have changed. Partly because we made the playoffs and were close to a first round upset. And partly because the GM and HC set a higher bar. But do you know what the bar was? It was to be a 5-8 Wild Card team. They thought, "hmm it looks like we should be a playoff team. We aren't in the tier of teams like the Avalanche and Dallas so we aren't expecting to be there."

The fans are showing up to the Arena which is a good thing. But the online fans have proven that they aren't capable of a full rebuild. They can't even handle an injury ridden season where we are the 9th youngest team in the league. What do you think this is going to look like if they tore it down to the studs? They also don't want to do that because of guys like Hofer/Thomas/Broberg/Holloway/Neighbours. They have made it very clear that they want those guys to have a chance to win. If you tear it down you are talking 5 years from now. That means you have to get rid of all of those players as well.

We are basically on the same trajectory we were before the start of last year but with more youth and more injury.

Well stated.