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[DawgDad]

Its amazing to me how much people don't understand how this works, we don't have a cap space problem. We have a lack of options and the more you let players go because they are not the absolute cure the more of a problem that becomes.

Take a Texier for example, we brought him in because we didn't have any better options. As soon as we needed the cap space or had better options we simply got rid of him same with Sunny, Joseph, Toro, Walker etc.

I get it, it is easy to hate the bottom half of the lineup when we are not very good but we are not cap space away from turning it around. Even Buch is a similar situation and Fowler. These players we are signing are the best players available to us right now.

Not having these guys won't make us better, it will make us worse and make what good players we do have want to leave first chance they get and make the pool of any good players willing to come here even smaller.

By that definition, we have no choice but to draft and develop because we will never have the cap space to compete for top players in free agency. So the Blues will always be mediocre unless they hit on a game breaker like Kucherov in the 5th round or the several 2nd rounders that Dallas has hit on over the years. Neat.

Kind of yes, the Blues absolutely have to draft and develop and that should always be the primary strategy for a small Midwest team but no that does not mean the Blues couldn't compete in free agency if by chance a top free agent wants to sign. They would simply have to clear some cap space if that opportunity arrives which is almost certainly not going to ever happen if we don't try to remain competitive.

What you want the Blues to do would do nothing but lead to more of the very thing you are complaining about. What you want the Blues to do is exactly how many teams end up in an indefinite rebuild.

Sign JAGs to overvalued contracts? When free agency hits you don’t have cap space to pay them if you’re saddled with bad contracts with no options for the club. This has been the case with Army for years, painting himself into a corner. Cap spent is cap spent market size doesn’t matter. The Blues are profitable and have been for some time. The other side of it is your recent first rounders look like middle of the road 40 pt a year forwards. No game breakers with maybe the exception of Snuggerud. That remains to be seen.

Well I tried to explain it to you.

You did what you could. The Blues ARE grooming their young talent, six age 25 and under first round picks are on the roster (including Broberg and Holloway). The fringe players will not be allowed to impede their development. It's not about what these young players look like today, it's about how they project forward. Patience, trust. Rolling in young players is going to be a bumpy ride. I would agree a few key players are not on the current roster.

[netboy65]

Its amazing to me how much people don't understand how this works, we don't have a cap space problem. We have a lack of options and the more you let players go because they are not the absolute cure the more of a problem that becomes.

Take a Texier for example, we brought him in because we didn't have any better options. As soon as we needed the cap space or had better options we simply got rid of him same with Sunny, Joseph, Toro, Walker etc.

I get it, it is easy to hate the bottom half of the lineup when we are not very good but we are not cap space away from turning it around. Even Buch is a similar situation and Fowler. These players we are signing are the best players available to us right now.

Not having these guys won't make us better, it will make us worse and make what good players we do have want to leave first chance they get and make the pool of any good players willing to come here even smaller.

By that definition, we have no choice but to draft and develop because we will never have the cap space to compete for top players in free agency. So the Blues will always be mediocre unless they hit on a game breaker like Kucherov in the 5th round or the several 2nd rounders that Dallas has hit on over the years. Neat.

Kind of yes, the Blues absolutely have to draft and develop and that should always be the primary strategy for a small Midwest team but no that does not mean the Blues couldn't compete in free agency if by chance a top free agent wants to sign. They would simply have to clear some cap space if that opportunity arrives which is almost certainly not going to ever happen if we don't try to remain competitive.

What you want the Blues to do would do nothing but lead to more of the very thing you are complaining about. What you want the Blues to do is exactly how many teams end up in an indefinite rebuild.

Sign JAGs to overvalued contracts? When free agency hits you don’t have cap space to pay them if you’re saddled with bad contracts with no options for the club. This has been the case with Army for years, painting himself into a corner. Cap spent is cap spent market size doesn’t matter. The Blues are profitable and have been for some time. The other side of it is your recent first rounders look like middle of the road 40 pt a year forwards. No game breakers with maybe the exception of Snuggerud. That remains to be seen.

Well I tried to explain it to you.

You did what you could. The Blues ARE grooming their young talent, six age 25 and under first round picks are on the roster (including Broberg and Holloway). The fringe players will not be allowed to impede their development. It's not about what these young players look like today, it's about how they project forward. Patience, trust. Rolling in young players is going to be a bumpy ride. I would agree a few key players are not on the current roster.

I think all anyone is saying is that the team just has to be smarter with their dollars.Youre getting virtually the same guy in Walker for almost league min.

[Jeff Goldblum]

Its amazing to me how much people don't understand how this works, we don't have a cap space problem. We have a lack of options and the more you let players go because they are not the absolute cure the more of a problem that becomes.

Take a Texier for example, we brought him in because we didn't have any better options. As soon as we needed the cap space or had better options we simply got rid of him same with Sunny, Joseph, Toro, Walker etc.

I get it, it is easy to hate the bottom half of the lineup when we are not very good but we are not cap space away from turning it around. Even Buch is a similar situation and Fowler. These players we are signing are the best players available to us right now.

Not having these guys won't make us better, it will make us worse and make what good players we do have want to leave first chance they get and make the pool of any good players willing to come here even smaller.

By that definition, we have no choice but to draft and develop because we will never have the cap space to compete for top players in free agency. So the Blues will always be mediocre unless they hit on a game breaker like Kucherov in the 5th round or the several 2nd rounders that Dallas has hit on over the years. Neat.

Kind of yes, the Blues absolutely have to draft and develop and that should always be the primary strategy for a small Midwest team but no that does not mean the Blues couldn't compete in free agency if by chance a top free agent wants to sign. They would simply have to clear some cap space if that opportunity arrives which is almost certainly not going to ever happen if we don't try to remain competitive.

What you want the Blues to do would do nothing but lead to more of the very thing you are complaining about. What you want the Blues to do is exactly how many teams end up in an indefinite rebuild.

Sign JAGs to overvalued contracts? When free agency hits you don’t have cap space to pay them if you’re saddled with bad contracts with no options for the club. This has been the case with Army for years, painting himself into a corner. Cap spent is cap spent market size doesn’t matter. The Blues are profitable and have been for some time. The other side of it is your recent first rounders look like middle of the road 40 pt a year forwards. No game breakers with maybe the exception of Snuggerud. That remains to be seen.

Well I tried to explain it to you.

You did what you could. The Blues ARE grooming their young talent, six age 25 and under first round picks are on the roster (including Broberg and Holloway). The fringe players will not be allowed to impede their development. It's not about what these young players look like today, it's about how they project forward. Patience, trust. Rolling in young players is going to be a bumpy ride. I would agree a few key players are not on the current roster.

I think all anyone is saying is that the team just has to be smarter with their dollars.Youre getting virtually the same guy in Walker for almost league min.

Except toropchenko has twice the reach and twice the stride and twice the size.

[skilles]

Its amazing to me how much people don't understand how this works, we don't have a cap space problem. We have a lack of options and the more you let players go because they are not the absolute cure the more of a problem that becomes.

Take a Texier for example, we brought him in because we didn't have any better options. As soon as we needed the cap space or had better options we simply got rid of him same with Sunny, Joseph, Toro, Walker etc.

I get it, it is easy to hate the bottom half of the lineup when we are not very good but we are not cap space away from turning it around. Even Buch is a similar situation and Fowler. These players we are signing are the best players available to us right now.

Not having these guys won't make us better, it will make us worse and make what good players we do have want to leave first chance they get and make the pool of any good players willing to come here even smaller.

By that definition, we have no choice but to draft and develop because we will never have the cap space to compete for top players in free agency. So the Blues will always be mediocre unless they hit on a game breaker like Kucherov in the 5th round or the several 2nd rounders that Dallas has hit on over the years. Neat.

Kind of yes, the Blues absolutely have to draft and develop and that should always be the primary strategy for a small Midwest team but no that does not mean the Blues couldn't compete in free agency if by chance a top free agent wants to sign. They would simply have to clear some cap space if that opportunity arrives which is almost certainly not going to ever happen if we don't try to remain competitive.

What you want the Blues to do would do nothing but lead to more of the very thing you are complaining about. What you want the Blues to do is exactly how many teams end up in an indefinite rebuild.

Sign JAGs to overvalued contracts? When free agency hits you don’t have cap space to pay them if you’re saddled with bad contracts with no options for the club. This has been the case with Army for years, painting himself into a corner. Cap spent is cap spent market size doesn’t matter. The Blues are profitable and have been for some time. The other side of it is your recent first rounders look like middle of the road 40 pt a year forwards. No game breakers with maybe the exception of Snuggerud. That remains to be seen.

Well I tried to explain it to you.

You did what you could. The Blues ARE grooming their young talent, six age 25 and under first round picks are on the roster (including Broberg and Holloway). The fringe players will not be allowed to impede their development. It's not about what these young players look like today, it's about how they project forward. Patience, trust. Rolling in young players is going to be a bumpy ride. I would agree a few key players are not on the current roster.

I think all anyone is saying is that the team just has to be smarter with their dollars.Youre getting virtually the same guy in Walker for almost league min.

I really don't know how much safer you want them to be.

[juan good eye]

Its amazing to me how much people don't understand how this works, we don't have a cap space problem. We have a lack of options and the more you let players go because they are not the absolute cure the more of a problem that becomes.

Take a Texier for example, we brought him in because we didn't have any better options. As soon as we needed the cap space or had better options we simply got rid of him same with Sunny, Joseph, Toro, Walker etc.

I get it, it is easy to hate the bottom half of the lineup when we are not very good but we are not cap space away from turning it around. Even Buch is a similar situation and Fowler. These players we are signing are the best players available to us right now.

Not having these guys won't make us better, it will make us worse and make what good players we do have want to leave first chance they get and make the pool of any good players willing to come here even smaller.

The best players available to the Blues were in the draft but each time Army chased mediocrity instead of future reward pushing said players out of reach.

It would be better to get worse (rebuild via the top of the draft) then maintain the status quo. It doesn’t have to be this way forever.