Pirates ahead of us

[11WSChamps]

So how does a team in a total rebuild be better this year than last year?

It’s not a rebuild.

I wish people would understand this.

I understand better than you.

It's a [censored] and has been for several seasons and now it enters the gaslight phase.

If you’re calling it a rebuild, then no, you don’t. It’s an organizational reset, just as they’ve said many times and what they’re showing through execution.

They quickly put together a young, hyper cost controlled rotation, just like they’ve had in Cleveland. They clearly targeted proximal arms that they think can be competitive in the big leagues. And they’ve dramatically slashed their payroll.

I guess I need to use the slow kids emoji sign for some of you.

As I said its a shirtshow and has been for the last few seasons and now it has moved into the gaslight phase.

These guys are talking out their backsides guaranteeing payroll increases when they have no idea where the income is coming from or when.

I guess I missed the guarantee.

Guess so.

[An Old Friend]

So how does a team in a total rebuild be better this year than last year?

It’s not a rebuild.

I wish people would understand this.

I understand better than you.

It's a [censored] and has been for several seasons and now it enters the gaslight phase.

If you’re calling it a rebuild, then no, you don’t. It’s an organizational reset, just as they’ve said many times and what they’re showing through execution.

They quickly put together a young, hyper cost controlled rotation, just like they’ve had in Cleveland. They clearly targeted proximal arms that they think can be competitive in the big leagues. And they’ve dramatically slashed their payroll.

I guess I need to use the slow kids emoji sign for some of you.

As I said its a shirtshow and has been for the last few seasons and now it has moved into the gaslight phase.

These guys are talking out their backsides guaranteeing payroll increases when they have no idea where the income is coming from or when.

Then why are you arguing with me, jackhole? I'm saying the same (drat) thing, that the revenue streams have been shot, and that they're going to a small market model because of it.

It sure seems you're saying that, too, but calling me an idiot.

Why? Honest question.

You responded to me first Einstein not the other way around. I was discussing with Ozzie.

You didn’t answer the question.

[An Old Friend]

You said there was NO WAY Scott should be on the mlb roster to begin the season no matter how well he did in ST.

Scott did well, and you retreated to the shadows.

Scott did WELL?!?

Low bar, I suppose, to avoid saying you were wrong, and that your made up narrative about Siani was tasteless, petty, and juvenile.

Scott hit .216 with a 72 OPS+ and only 34 SB. It was a bad year for him. You don’t need to pretend it wasn’t. What are you protecting? Your dignity?

Scott did well in ST, Siani did poorly. Scott made the team, and you retreated to the shadows… lol

Another weird saying.

I didn’t go anywhere and posted pretty frequently the first half of the season. I just didn’t engage with your pettiness. You can make up stories, but it doesn’t make them true. It’s been a bad habit of yours for many years.

[Goldfan]

I understand better than you.

It's a [censored] and has been for several seasons and now it enters the gaslight phase.

If you’re calling it a rebuild, then no, you don’t. It’s an organizational reset, just as they’ve said many times and what they’re showing through execution.

They quickly put together a young, hyper cost controlled rotation, just like they’ve had in Cleveland. They clearly targeted proximal arms that they think can be competitive in the big leagues. And they’ve dramatically slashed their payroll.

They are doing what teams do in a rebuild.

We must have different definitions of rebuild. I don’t consider teams in an early rebuild as teams who are also looking to be competitive.

There are different depths of rebuilds. For instance, the 2025 Cards org wasn’t in the same mess as the 2011 Cubs.

Two days ago:

The Cards' behavior does support your theory.

Now you're back to debating it. That's fine.

You used a terrible debate tactic when we talked about it then, saying:

When the 2012-2013 Cubs drastically lowered their payroll, I could've also said it's because they were now becoming a smaller market team.

Arguing that the CHICAGO CUBS were becoming a SMALL MARKET TEAM would be one of the dumbest positions anyone could possibly take in ANY baseball discussion.

St Louis is now a small market in baseball and receiving revenue share. Their media value has cratered. It's OK to acknowledge that.

Every rebuilding team does what the cards are doing now.

Your theory about them now becoming a small market team has no proof to it. Only the way you are trying to infer the word ‘reset.’

The hell you mean "no proof"?

You're really gonna dispute that the Cardinals became a NET RECEIVER for revenue sharing for the first time EVER?
You're really gonna dispute the fact that their media / cable deal went up in smoke with the Bally's bankruptcy?
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/A ... irst-time/

The St. Louis Cardinals will “be a receiver” this winter within the current MLB revenue-sharing system for the first time following a full season in at least 25 years and since the advent of the current program, which began in 1996. The team is eligible for a top-six pick in the upcoming MLB Draft Lottery because they “will be classified as a ‘payee.’

Their ticket sales have dropped 30.6% since the 3.2 million sold in 2023.

The Cardinals had to “rework their broadcast-rights deal” a year ago with partner FanDuel Sports Network at a rate reduced by 23%

The Cardinals have a bottom-five market score

Their rights fees were cut, contract shortened, and NOW the new rightsholder is missing payments.

FOH with no proof. Don't be obtuse. That's a choice you're making. I do low-key love the idea that you'd try to position Chicago as a small market for your argument

Yeah, there’s no proof.

You're so weird sometimes, I don't know why.

Dispute that the Cardinals are net receivers, then.
Dispute the Bally's bankruptcy.
Dispute the missed rightsholder payment.

If you're going to contend that there is no proof, you're just confirming that your main priority is being dishonest.

Why be dishonest just for the hell of it?

You can acknowledge the truth. Why is that hard for you?

They became net receivers, in part, to lower attendance do to their rebuild.

You’re trying to connect dots that aren’t there.

Facts are proof. Why would you claim that the Bally’s bankruptcy didn’t happen (“dots that aren’t there”) and that their media value has shrunk (citation provided).

Ignoring facts doesn’t negate their existence. They’re easily connected dots.

You ignoring them is dishonest at best. But this is what you do when you’re both bored and wrong.

You take the word ‘reset’ and run with it.

This is just another one of those times you are wrong and, when proven wrong, will slip back into the shadows (see 2025: Siani).

That made up narrative about Siani that you crafted and CT subsequently ripped you for before the mods took down your trolling thread?

You know that my argument was always that I didn’t think VICTOR SCOTT was ready and that he shouldn’t just be gifted the job before earning the job.

And we both saw how well (errr, how poorly) he performed… proving my whole point.

But if you want to make up some more arguments I didn’t make, feel free. Go ahead and include it with your argument that Chicago is a small market
[/quote]

Yes, the Great Great Great Bankruptcy which reduced BDW annual haul by 17mil to a paltry 58mil……a MIles Mikolas or WC is THE reason payroll must be reduced from 180mil to possibly less than 100mil. Never mind the National Contract that Tripled in 20yrs…..or the cost to go the game that has more than doubled……please focus on the 17mil which has turned The Cardinals into the Pirates…..

[An Old Friend]

The hell you mean "no proof"?

You're really gonna dispute that the Cardinals became a NET RECEIVER for revenue sharing for the first time EVER?
You're really gonna dispute the fact that their media / cable deal went up in smoke with the Bally's bankruptcy?
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/A ... irst-time/

The St. Louis Cardinals will “be a receiver” this winter within the current MLB revenue-sharing system for the first time following a full season in at least 25 years and since the advent of the current program, which began in 1996. The team is eligible for a top-six pick in the upcoming MLB Draft Lottery because they “will be classified as a ‘payee.’

Their ticket sales have dropped 30.6% since the 3.2 million sold in 2023.

The Cardinals had to “rework their broadcast-rights deal” a year ago with partner FanDuel Sports Network at a rate reduced by 23%

The Cardinals have a bottom-five market score

Their rights fees were cut, contract shortened, and NOW the new rightsholder is missing payments.

FOH with no proof. Don't be obtuse. That's a choice you're making. I do low-key love the idea that you'd try to position Chicago as a small market for your argument

Yes, the Great Great Great Bankruptcy which reduced BDW annual haul by 17mil to a paltry 58mil……a MIles Mikolas or WC is THE reason payroll must be reduced from 180mil to possibly less than 100mil. Never mind the National Contract that Tripled in 20yrs…..or the cost to go the game that has more than doubled……please focus on the 17mil which has turned The Cardinals into the Pirates…..

If you think it’s only $17MM, I can’t help you. That’s willful ignorance on your part.

[ecleme22]

You said there was NO WAY Scott should be on the mlb roster to begin the season no matter how well he did in ST.

Scott did well, and you retreated to the shadows.

Scott did WELL?!?

Low bar, I suppose, to avoid saying you were wrong, and that your made up narrative about Siani was tasteless, petty, and juvenile.

Scott hit .216 with a 72 OPS+ and only 34 SB. It was a bad year for him. You don’t need to pretend it wasn’t. What are you protecting? Your dignity?

Scott did well in ST, Siani did poorly. Scott made the team, and you retreated to the shadows… lol

Another weird saying.

I didn’t go anywhere and posted pretty frequently the first half of the season. I just didn’t engage with your pettiness. You can make up stories, but it doesn’t make them true. It’s been a bad habit of yours for many years.

You stopped posting about Siani as soon as he struggled in ST.

[An Old Friend]

You said there was NO WAY Scott should be on the mlb roster to begin the season no matter how well he did in ST.

Scott did well, and you retreated to the shadows.

Scott did WELL?!?

Low bar, I suppose, to avoid saying you were wrong, and that your made up narrative about Siani was tasteless, petty, and juvenile.

Scott hit .216 with a 72 OPS+ and only 34 SB. It was a bad year for him. You don’t need to pretend it wasn’t. What are you protecting? Your dignity?

Scott did well in ST, Siani did poorly. Scott made the team, and you retreated to the shadows… lol

Another weird saying.

I didn’t go anywhere and posted pretty frequently the first half of the season. I just didn’t engage with your pettiness. You can make up stories, but it doesn’t make them true. It’s been a bad habit of yours for many years.

You stopped posting about Siani as soon as he struggled in ST.

You act like I was some huge Siani advocate and then was ashamed and went into hiding.

It’s some of the dumbest shart you’ve ever made up on this forum.

I get why you’re trying to deflect, though.

[Goldfan]

The hell you mean "no proof"?

You're really gonna dispute that the Cardinals became a NET RECEIVER for revenue sharing for the first time EVER?
You're really gonna dispute the fact that their media / cable deal went up in smoke with the Bally's bankruptcy?
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/A ... irst-time/

The St. Louis Cardinals will “be a receiver” this winter within the current MLB revenue-sharing system for the first time following a full season in at least 25 years and since the advent of the current program, which began in 1996. The team is eligible for a top-six pick in the upcoming MLB Draft Lottery because they “will be classified as a ‘payee.’

Their ticket sales have dropped 30.6% since the 3.2 million sold in 2023.

The Cardinals had to “rework their broadcast-rights deal” a year ago with partner FanDuel Sports Network at a rate reduced by 23%

The Cardinals have a bottom-five market score

Their rights fees were cut, contract shortened, and NOW the new rightsholder is missing payments.

FOH with no proof. Don't be obtuse. That's a choice you're making. I do low-key love the idea that you'd try to position Chicago as a small market for your argument

Yes, the Great Great Great Bankruptcy which reduced BDW annual haul by 17mil to a paltry 58mil……a MIles Mikolas or WC is THE reason payroll must be reduced from 180mil to possibly less than 100mil. Never mind the National Contract that Tripled in 20yrs…..or the cost to go the game that has more than doubled……please focus on the 17mil which has turned The Cardinals into the Pirates…..

If you think it’s only $17MM, I can’t help you. That’s willful ignorance on your part.

“The prior deal, signed in 2015 and running through 2032, was reportedly valued at over $1 billion in total and would have paid the team around $75 million for the 2025 season. The new annual revenue is estimated to be in the $57-58 million range.”
You were speaking of “willful ignorance”…..AI is your friend. This topic was robustly discussed a couple months ago

[RamFan08NY]

So how does a team in a total rebuild be better this year than last year?

It’s not a rebuild.

I wish people would understand this.

I understand better than you.

It's a [censored] and has been for several seasons and now it enters the gaslight phase.

If you’re calling it a rebuild, then no, you don’t. It’s an organizational reset, just as they’ve said many times and what they’re showing through execution.

They quickly put together a young, hyper cost controlled rotation, just like they’ve had in Cleveland. They clearly targeted proximal arms that they think can be competitive in the big leagues. And they’ve dramatically slashed their payroll.

They are doing what teams do in a rebuild.

We must have different definitions of rebuild. I don’t consider teams in an early rebuild as teams who are also looking to be competitive.

There are different depths of rebuilds. For instance, the 2025 Cards org wasn’t in the same mess as the 2011 Cubs.

Agree
I myself wouldn’t label it a “rebuild” but more like a “reset”.
But those are just terms and subject to debate.
I see a “rebuild” as being more of a tear down.
Don’t see that as the case.
Moving on from vets who are aging and past their prime is what a lot of teams do on a regular basis.

Well there you go. ‘Reset’ can be exactly what you said. ‘Reset’ can be a softer rebuild, or simply the FO wanting to use a softer word to describe a dreaded rebuild to fans.

True
I just don’t get as bummed as some on here who consider this “rebuild” as worse than it is.
Hey I know I’m an optimist but I’m getting excited for the new season not that I’m predicting them going some some great run!
Lots of new/young guys to get a peek at.

Im with you. Im excited to see the young blood cut their teeth. Im realistic though. Not setting my win expectations too high. Too many here are upset that their either not going to contend, or only going to win 40 games. It will be neither of those.

Just sit back and enjoy the future team getting some experience.

[Cusecards]

So how does a team in a total rebuild be better this year than last year?

It’s not a rebuild.

I wish people would understand this.

I understand better than you.

It's a [censored] and has been for several seasons and now it enters the gaslight phase.

If you’re calling it a rebuild, then no, you don’t. It’s an organizational reset, just as they’ve said many times and what they’re showing through execution.

They quickly put together a young, hyper cost controlled rotation, just like they’ve had in Cleveland. They clearly targeted proximal arms that they think can be competitive in the big leagues. And they’ve dramatically slashed their payroll.

They are doing what teams do in a rebuild.

We must have different definitions of rebuild. I don’t consider teams in an early rebuild as teams who are also looking to be competitive.

There are different depths of rebuilds. For instance, the 2025 Cards org wasn’t in the same mess as the 2011 Cubs.

Agree
I myself wouldn’t label it a “rebuild” but more like a “reset”.
But those are just terms and subject to debate.
I see a “rebuild” as being more of a tear down.
Don’t see that as the case.
Moving on from vets who are aging and past their prime is what a lot of teams do on a regular basis.

Well there you go. ‘Reset’ can be exactly what you said. ‘Reset’ can be a softer rebuild, or simply the FO wanting to use a softer word to describe a dreaded rebuild to fans.

True
I just don’t get as bummed as some on here who consider this “rebuild” as worse than it is.
Hey I know I’m an optimist but I’m getting excited for the new season not that I’m predicting them going some some great run!
Lots of new/young guys to get a peek at.

Im with you. Im excited to see the young blood cut their teeth. Im realistic though. Not setting my win expectations too high. Too many here are upset that their either not going to contend, or only going to win 40 games. It will be neither of those.

Just sit back and enjoy the future team getting some experience.

Agree
Bring on the season

[ecleme22]

You said there was NO WAY Scott should be on the mlb roster to begin the season no matter how well he did in ST.

Scott did well, and you retreated to the shadows.

Scott did WELL?!?

Low bar, I suppose, to avoid saying you were wrong, and that your made up narrative about Siani was tasteless, petty, and juvenile.

Scott hit .216 with a 72 OPS+ and only 34 SB. It was a bad year for him. You don’t need to pretend it wasn’t. What are you protecting? Your dignity?

Scott did well in ST, Siani did poorly. Scott made the team, and you retreated to the shadows… lol

Another weird saying.

I didn’t go anywhere and posted pretty frequently the first half of the season. I just didn’t engage with your pettiness. You can make up stories, but it doesn’t make them true. It’s been a bad habit of yours for many years.

You stopped posting about Siani as soon as he struggled in ST.

You act like I was some huge Siani advocate and then was ashamed and went into hiding.

It’s some of the dumbest shart you’ve ever made up on this forum.

I get why you’re trying to deflect, though.

Deflect what?

I have no problem continuing our convo how you think the word ‘reset’ means we are turning into The Rays…

[An Old Friend]

The hell you mean "no proof"?

You're really gonna dispute that the Cardinals became a NET RECEIVER for revenue sharing for the first time EVER?
You're really gonna dispute the fact that their media / cable deal went up in smoke with the Bally's bankruptcy?
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/A ... irst-time/

The St. Louis Cardinals will “be a receiver” this winter within the current MLB revenue-sharing system for the first time following a full season in at least 25 years and since the advent of the current program, which began in 1996. The team is eligible for a top-six pick in the upcoming MLB Draft Lottery because they “will be classified as a ‘payee.’

Their ticket sales have dropped 30.6% since the 3.2 million sold in 2023.

The Cardinals had to “rework their broadcast-rights deal” a year ago with partner FanDuel Sports Network at a rate reduced by 23%

The Cardinals have a bottom-five market score

Their rights fees were cut, contract shortened, and NOW the new rightsholder is missing payments.

FOH with no proof. Don't be obtuse. That's a choice you're making. I do low-key love the idea that you'd try to position Chicago as a small market for your argument

Yes, the Great Great Great Bankruptcy which reduced BDW annual haul by 17mil to a paltry 58mil……a MIles Mikolas or WC is THE reason payroll must be reduced from 180mil to possibly less than 100mil. Never mind the National Contract that Tripled in 20yrs…..or the cost to go the game that has more than doubled……please focus on the 17mil which has turned The Cardinals into the Pirates…..

If you think it’s only $17MM, I can’t help you. That’s willful ignorance on your part.

“The prior deal, signed in 2015 and running through 2032, was reportedly valued at over $1 billion in total and would have paid the team around $75 million for the 2025 season. The new annual revenue is estimated to be in the $57-58 million range.”
You were speaking of “willful ignorance”…..AI is your friend. This topic was robustly discussed a couple months ago

They don’t HAVE a deal that runs through 2032. They DID.

And this new deal, that is for a shorter duration and less money, is already going sideways.

Neither of those things account for the equity lost, and you’re wanting to pretend it’s zero.

Why do you think it’s zero?

The $17MM decline was the FIRST YEAR alone. But you must get that. Why act like that’s all it is?

[An Old Friend]

You said there was NO WAY Scott should be on the mlb roster to begin the season no matter how well he did in ST.

Scott did well, and you retreated to the shadows.

Scott did WELL?!?

Low bar, I suppose, to avoid saying you were wrong, and that your made up narrative about Siani was tasteless, petty, and juvenile.

Scott hit .216 with a 72 OPS+ and only 34 SB. It was a bad year for him. You don’t need to pretend it wasn’t. What are you protecting? Your dignity?

Scott did well in ST, Siani did poorly. Scott made the team, and you retreated to the shadows… lol

Another weird saying.

I didn’t go anywhere and posted pretty frequently the first half of the season. I just didn’t engage with your pettiness. You can make up stories, but it doesn’t make them true. It’s been a bad habit of yours for many years.

You stopped posting about Siani as soon as he struggled in ST.

You act like I was some huge Siani advocate and then was ashamed and went into hiding.

It’s some of the dumbest shart you’ve ever made up on this forum.

I get why you’re trying to deflect, though.

Deflect what?

I have no problem continuing our convo how you think the word ‘reset’ means we are turning into The Rays…

Oh so you didn’t bring up some nonsense about Michael Siani to deflect away from your other defenseless position that there’s no proof that Bally’s went bankrupt and the media value of the Cardinals has declined?

Tell me more

Bloom came up through Tampa
Cerfolio came up through Cleveland

What playbook do you think they’re running?

[ecleme22]

You said there was NO WAY Scott should be on the mlb roster to begin the season no matter how well he did in ST.

Scott did well, and you retreated to the shadows.

Scott did WELL?!?

Low bar, I suppose, to avoid saying you were wrong, and that your made up narrative about Siani was tasteless, petty, and juvenile.

Scott hit .216 with a 72 OPS+ and only 34 SB. It was a bad year for him. You don’t need to pretend it wasn’t. What are you protecting? Your dignity?

Scott did well in ST, Siani did poorly. Scott made the team, and you retreated to the shadows… lol

Another weird saying.

I didn’t go anywhere and posted pretty frequently the first half of the season. I just didn’t engage with your pettiness. You can make up stories, but it doesn’t make them true. It’s been a bad habit of yours for many years.

You stopped posting about Siani as soon as he struggled in ST.

You act like I was some huge Siani advocate and then was ashamed and went into hiding.

It’s some of the dumbest shart you’ve ever made up on this forum.

I get why you’re trying to deflect, though.

Deflect what?

I have no problem continuing our convo how you think the word ‘reset’ means we are turning into The Rays…

Oh so you didn’t bring up some nonsense about Michael Siani to deflect away from your other defenseless position that there’s no proof that Bally’s went bankrupt and the media value of the Cardinals has declined?

Tell me more

Bloom came up through Tampa
Cerfolio came up through Cleveland

What playbook do you think they’re running?

I brought up Siani as an example of how you will defend something for months then, when it looks like you’re wrong, you quietly retreat.

You’ll do the same with this.

The Cards are going through a much needed rebuild/overhaul/reset.

As a Cards fan, I know this is new to you. But that’s what it is…

[An Old Friend]

You said there was NO WAY Scott should be on the mlb roster to begin the season no matter how well he did in ST.

Scott did well, and you retreated to the shadows.

Scott did WELL?!?

Low bar, I suppose, to avoid saying you were wrong, and that your made up narrative about Siani was tasteless, petty, and juvenile.

Scott hit .216 with a 72 OPS+ and only 34 SB. It was a bad year for him. You don’t need to pretend it wasn’t. What are you protecting? Your dignity?

Scott did well in ST, Siani did poorly. Scott made the team, and you retreated to the shadows… lol

Another weird saying.

I didn’t go anywhere and posted pretty frequently the first half of the season. I just didn’t engage with your pettiness. You can make up stories, but it doesn’t make them true. It’s been a bad habit of yours for many years.

You stopped posting about Siani as soon as he struggled in ST.

You act like I was some huge Siani advocate and then was ashamed and went into hiding.

It’s some of the dumbest shart you’ve ever made up on this forum.

I get why you’re trying to deflect, though.

Deflect what?

I have no problem continuing our convo how you think the word ‘reset’ means we are turning into The Rays…

Oh so you didn’t bring up some nonsense about Michael Siani to deflect away from your other defenseless position that there’s no proof that Bally’s went bankrupt and the media value of the Cardinals has declined?

Tell me more

Bloom came up through Tampa
Cerfolio came up through Cleveland

What playbook do you think they’re running?

I brought up Siani as an example of how you will defend something for months then, when it looks like you’re wrong, you quietly retreat.

You brought up a story that YOU MADE UP, attributed it to me, then started a thread whining that I wouldn’t engage with your made up story. Everyone ripped you for it, and the mods took it down because it was a debacle.

Now you want to pretend that didn’t happen, and you’re gonna start up again with this juvenile lie?

Just stop, dude.

You’ll do the same with this.

The Cards are going through a much needed rebuild/overhaul/reset.

As a Cards fan, I know this is new to you. But that’s what it is…

They needed an overhaul of their player development system.
* quick note * it’s awfully ironic how often you’d rip my critique that the Cardinals weren’t preparing their players or putting them in positions to succeed… but NOW, you see and acknowledge that their system and process was a disaster. I don’t expect an apology for any of that

They needed to get rid of all of Mozeliak’s stink. And they need to reset to a small market model, because that’s what St Louis now is.

None of this is anything like the tanking rebuilds that the Cubs and Astros took on. And no, Chicago isn’t a small market

Goldfan… I get it, I don’t think he has a fundamental understanding of the economics, here.

But you… you’re relentlessly disingenuous and dishonest. I don’t know why you’re that way.

[ecleme22]

You said there was NO WAY Scott should be on the mlb roster to begin the season no matter how well he did in ST.

Scott did well, and you retreated to the shadows.

Scott did WELL?!?

Low bar, I suppose, to avoid saying you were wrong, and that your made up narrative about Siani was tasteless, petty, and juvenile.

Scott hit .216 with a 72 OPS+ and only 34 SB. It was a bad year for him. You don’t need to pretend it wasn’t. What are you protecting? Your dignity?

Scott did well in ST, Siani did poorly. Scott made the team, and you retreated to the shadows… lol

Another weird saying.

I didn’t go anywhere and posted pretty frequently the first half of the season. I just didn’t engage with your pettiness. You can make up stories, but it doesn’t make them true. It’s been a bad habit of yours for many years.

You stopped posting about Siani as soon as he struggled in ST.

You act like I was some huge Siani advocate and then was ashamed and went into hiding.

It’s some of the dumbest shart you’ve ever made up on this forum.

I get why you’re trying to deflect, though.

Deflect what?

I have no problem continuing our convo how you think the word ‘reset’ means we are turning into The Rays…

Oh so you didn’t bring up some nonsense about Michael Siani to deflect away from your other defenseless position that there’s no proof that Bally’s went bankrupt and the media value of the Cardinals has declined?

Tell me more

Bloom came up through Tampa
Cerfolio came up through Cleveland

What playbook do you think they’re running?

I brought up Siani as an example of how you will defend something for months then, when it looks like you’re wrong, you quietly retreat.

You brought up a story that YOU MADE UP, attributed it to me, then started a thread whining that I wouldn’t engage with your made up story. Everyone ripped you for it, and the mods took it down because it was a debacle.

Now you want to pretend that didn’t happen, and you’re gonna start up again with this juvenile lie?

Just stop, dude.

You’ll do the same with this.

The Cards are going through a much needed rebuild/overhaul/reset.

As a Cards fan, I know this is new to you. But that’s what it is…

They needed an overhaul of their player development system. They needed to get rid of all of Mozeliak’s stink. And they need to reset to a small market model, because that’s what St Louis now is.

None of this is anything like the tanking rebuilds that the Cubs and Astros took on. And no, Chicago isn’t a small market

Goldfan… I get it, I don’t think he has a fundamental understanding of the economics, here.

But you… you’re relentlessly disingenuous and dishonest. I don’t know why you’re that way.

Just because they are overhauling PD doesn’t mean their payroll will never return.

I agree, the Mo stink was bad. Even the Dodgers know to win, you have to make smart decisions in your minors system. PD, evaluation, etc.

So you have smart small markets like Tampa and smart big markets like LAD valuing the same thing.

Bloom knows no matter what, he has to get his house n order. That’s what he’s doing. Something SMART orgs do big and small…