What's the definition of insanity? (doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different result)
And No........BDWJr wasn't going to throw $200-250M in payroll to fix the above problem.
C'mon Rock, you know it wouldn't have taken that much $ to fix the Cards. I am willing to give Bloom a chance because, honestly, I am not in control of the Cardinals. I am willing to see what better talent we can acquire for a season or so, then spend back to the $180M level again. However, I am skeptical the wallet will ever be opened up to that level ever again. (Honestly needs to be higher - baseball inflation continues to grow, yet we dont seem willing to.) But.....if ownership wasn't cheap, the Cards could be turned into a playoff team in one offseason. Just saying!
It would've taken at least that much C4L if you truly wanted to compete for a WS title given the cost of elite players.
I'm not one who thinks this is a three, four year re-build where the team has to lose 90-100 games to achieve success.
With smart move and a solid payroll (ok never going to be $250M but better be no less than $180+M) I think they can easily compete in the NLC no later than 2028.
I just hope Dewitt opens the wallet after the new CBA is in place.
What's the definition of insanity? (doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different result)
And No........BDWJr wasn't going to throw $200-250M in payroll to fix the above problem.
C'mon Rock, you know it wouldn't have taken that much $ to fix the Cards. I am willing to give Bloom a chance because, honestly, I am not in control of the Cardinals. I am willing to see what better talent we can acquire for a season or so, then spend back to the $180M level again. However, I am skeptical the wallet will ever be opened up to that level ever again. (Honestly needs to be higher - baseball inflation continues to grow, yet we dont seem willing to.) But.....if ownership wasn't cheap, the Cards could be turned into a playoff team in one offseason. Just saying!
It would've taken at least that much C4L if you truly wanted to compete for a WS title given the cost of elite players.
I'm not one who thinks this is a three, four year re-build where the team has to lose 90-100 games to achieve success.
With smart move and a solid payroll (ok never going to be $250M but better be no less than $180+M) I think they can easily compete in the NLC no later than 2028.
I just hope Dewitt opens the wallet after the new CBA is in place.
If he doesn't, then just sell.
The guy can only spend what you "fans" give him to spend minus some operation costs and a little profit. Mr. DeWitt Jr. Jr. summed it up absolutely correct, if you boycott, don't show up, support your club, it's going to suck. Basically.
What's the definition of insanity? (doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different result)
And No........BDWJr wasn't going to throw $200-250M in payroll to fix the above problem.
C'mon Rock, you know it wouldn't have taken that much $ to fix the Cards. I am willing to give Bloom a chance because, honestly, I am not in control of the Cardinals. I am willing to see what better talent we can acquire for a season or so, then spend back to the $180M level again. However, I am skeptical the wallet will ever be opened up to that level ever again. (Honestly needs to be higher - baseball inflation continues to grow, yet we dont seem willing to.) But.....if ownership wasn't cheap, the Cards could be turned into a playoff team in one offseason. Just saying!
It would've taken at least that much C4L if you truly wanted to compete for a WS title given the cost of elite players.
I'm not one who thinks this is a three, four year re-build where the team has to lose 90-100 games to achieve success.
With smart move and a solid payroll (ok never going to be $250M but better be no less than $180+M) I think they can easily compete in the NLC no later than 2028.
I just hope Dewitt opens the wallet after the new CBA is in place.
If he doesn't, then just sell.
The guy can only spend what you "fans" give him to spend minus some operation costs and a little profit. Mr. DeWitt Jr. Jr. summed it up absolutely correct, if you boycott, don't show up, support your club, it's going to suck. Basically.
I've given him plenty IKE (season tixs for over a decade! ).
And you're 100% correct, he's always set payroll based on attendance.
Adam2 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 13:58 pm
Ike's back on the sauce. careful everyone
The only rational explanation for this kind of trolling is, he works for the P-D and is paid, rather poorly, to drive traffic. The stupidity is just too far over the top for it to be a real person, with these real thoughts.
To be fair, he was this stupid and nonsensical in the past. I don't remember exactly when or about what but his name and level of ignorance are hard to forget.
It has to be trolling. Every one of these whackos seems to live under the delusion that Cards Talk posters somehow control the FO moves of the Cardinals organization.
It's like an angry old man yelling at a cloud because his soup was cold.
His rants/posts remind me of someone who was probably banned?
I asked him his previous screen name and he didn’t respond.
I admit that missing the playoffs three straight years is a bummer....but NOW he’s leading me to believe that as a “bfib” that I AM RESPONSIBLE.
Yikes
Yeah. I kind of do hold you responsible. Where are all of you bandwagon "fans" in the stands? Oh, you all love the club and are first in line for a championship parade and push me aside but can't be found
when they actually need support. No, you are obviously entitled!
Eat !
Hmmm......ok sorry but I live on the East Coast.
Have been to a couple of games in St. Louis and many more when they played in NY.
Question?
Do you hold YOURSELF responsible in any way?
I really do hold myself partly responsible, I've asked on sites like these for the team to not crazy spend. Fans and people with kids can't afford it. Could they have done more winning if they raised prices? Yes, part of me wanted a complete tear down because I don't think a lot of you "fans" deserve any better. Do you now?
Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 14:05 pm
Sometimes the rot is so bad in a foundation that the only solution is to tear it down and start all over.
So you're a home inspector? You think we need to sell the house and move to a Pirates model because the dishwasher is broken, have a few light bulbs that need changing, a deep clean and maybe a paint job? The St. Louis model house is way better than the Pirates model house.
I think they need to bulldoze the house and rebuild from the ground up because Mozeliak completely (bleep) up the franchise.
How did he mess it up so badly?
Well, we can start with Brett Cecil and go from there.
Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 14:05 pm
Sometimes the rot is so bad in a foundation that the only solution is to tear it down and start all over.
So you're a home inspector? You think we need to sell the house and move to a Pirates model because the dishwasher is broken, have a few light bulbs that need changing, a deep clean and maybe a paint job? The St. Louis model house is way better than the Pirates model house.
I think they need to bulldoze the house and rebuild from the ground up because Mozeliak completely (bleep) up the franchise.
How did he mess it up so badly?
Well, we can start with Brett Cecil and go from there.
Bwaaaahahaha!!!! You honestly think Brett Cecil is the reason they Cards are tanking today? Every team makes a few bad signings, you think the Dodgers or Yanks, Pirates never have?
Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 14:05 pm
Sometimes the rot is so bad in a foundation that the only solution is to tear it down and start all over.
So you're a home inspector? You think we need to sell the house and move to a Pirates model because the dishwasher is broken, have a few light bulbs that need changing, a deep clean and maybe a paint job? The St. Louis model house is way better than the Pirates model house.
I think they need to bulldoze the house and rebuild from the ground up because Mozeliak completely (bleep) up the franchise.
How did he mess it up so badly?
Well, we can start with Brett Cecil and go from there.
Bwaaaahahaha!!!! You honestly think Brett Cecil is the reason they Cards are tanking today? Every team makes a few bad signings, you think the Dodgers or Yanks, Pirates never have?
Adam2 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 13:58 pm
Ike's back on the sauce. careful everyone
The only rational explanation for this kind of trolling is, he works for the P-D and is paid, rather poorly, to drive traffic. The stupidity is just too far over the top for it to be a real person, with these real thoughts.
To be fair, he was this stupid and nonsensical in the past. I don't remember exactly when or about what but his name and level of ignorance are hard to forget.
It has to be trolling. Every one of these whackos seems to live under the delusion that Cards Talk posters somehow control the FO moves of the Cardinals organization.
It's like an angry old man yelling at a cloud because his soup was cold.
His rants/posts remind me of someone who was probably banned?
I asked him his previous screen name and he didn’t respond.
I admit that missing the playoffs three straight years is a bummer....but NOW he’s leading me to believe that as a “bfib” that I AM RESPONSIBLE.
Yikes
Yeah. I kind of do hold you responsible. Where are all of you bandwagon "fans" in the stands? Oh, you all love the club and are first in line for a championship parade and push me aside but can't be found
when they actually need support. No, you are obviously entitled!
Eat !
Hmmm......ok sorry but I live on the East Coast.
Have been to a couple of games in St. Louis and many more when they played in NY.
Question?
Do you hold YOURSELF responsible in any way?
I really do hold myself partly responsible, I've asked on sites like these for the team to not crazy spend. Fans and people with kids can't afford it. Could they have done more winning if they raised prices? Yes, part of me wanted a complete tear down because I don't think a lot of you "fans" deserve any better. Do you now?
Ok got it!
So we’re more responsible than you are?
That clears that up.
Oh ....BTW.....I don’t think us fans are “entitled” to or “deserve” anything.
Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 14:05 pm
Sometimes the rot is so bad in a foundation that the only solution is to tear it down and start all over.
So you're a home inspector? You think we need to sell the house and move to a Pirates model because the dishwasher is broken, have a few light bulbs that need changing, a deep clean and maybe a paint job? The St. Louis model house is way better than the Pirates model house.
I think they need to bulldoze the house and rebuild from the ground up because Mozeliak completely (bleep) up the franchise.
How did he mess it up so badly?
Well, we can start with Brett Cecil and go from there.
Bwaaaahahaha!!!! You honestly think Brett Cecil is the reason they Cards are tanking today? Every team makes a few bad signings, you think the Dodgers or Yanks, Pirates never have?
Show me your end if that is the start.
Brandon Moss
What about him? As i recall he was once an MLB all- star that hit a lot of dingers for the Cardinals and wasn't here for very long. Seemed like a decent enough fella. Brandon Moss is why you want to bulldoze the Cardinals? Thanks for proving my thread headline comment.
Adam2 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 13:58 pm
Ike's back on the sauce. careful everyone
The only rational explanation for this kind of trolling is, he works for the P-D and is paid, rather poorly, to drive traffic. The stupidity is just too far over the top for it to be a real person, with these real thoughts.
To be fair, he was this stupid and nonsensical in the past. I don't remember exactly when or about what but his name and level of ignorance are hard to forget.
It has to be trolling. Every one of these whackos seems to live under the delusion that Cards Talk posters somehow control the FO moves of the Cardinals organization.
It's like an angry old man yelling at a cloud because his soup was cold.
His rants/posts remind me of someone who was probably banned?
I asked him his previous screen name and he didn’t respond.
I admit that missing the playoffs three straight years is a bummer....but NOW he’s leading me to believe that as a “bfib” that I AM RESPONSIBLE.
Yikes
Yeah. I kind of do hold you responsible. Where are all of you bandwagon "fans" in the stands? Oh, you all love the club and are first in line for a championship parade and push me aside but can't be found
when they actually need support. No, you are obviously entitled!
Eat !
Hmmm......ok sorry but I live on the East Coast.
Have been to a couple of games in St. Louis and many more when they played in NY.
Question?
Do you hold YOURSELF responsible in any way?
I really do hold myself partly responsible, I've asked on sites like these for the team to not crazy spend. Fans and people with kids can't afford it. Could they have done more winning if they raised prices? Yes, part of me wanted a complete tear down because I don't think a lot of you "fans" deserve any better. Do you now?
Ok got it!
So we’re more responsible than you are?
That clears that up.
Oh ....BTW.....I don’t think us fans are “entitled” to or “deserve” anything.
I will be at Busch and ballpark village to root for the team and enjoy the festivities. I will root for the club even when they might not be any good, so yeah!
Okay, maybe not entitled or deserving, how about spoiled brats?
Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 14:05 pm
Sometimes the rot is so bad in a foundation that the only solution is to tear it down and start all over.
So you're a home inspector? You think we need to sell the house and move to a Pirates model because the dishwasher is broken, have a few light bulbs that need changing, a deep clean and maybe a paint job? The St. Louis model house is way better than the Pirates model house.
I think they need to bulldoze the house and rebuild from the ground up because Mozeliak completely (bleep) up the franchise.
How did he mess it up so badly?
Well, we can start with Brett Cecil and go from there.
Bwaaaahahaha!!!! You honestly think Brett Cecil is the reason they Cards are tanking today? Every team makes a few bad signings, you think the Dodgers or Yanks, Pirates never have?
Show me your end if that is the start.
Brandon Moss
What about him? As i recall he was once an MLB all- star that hit a lot of dingers for the Cardinals and wasn't here for very long. Seemed like a decent enough fella. Brandon Moss is why you want to bulldoze the Cardinals? Thanks for proving my thread headline comment.
NotAFathersDay9871 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 13:18 pm
I love how difficult the concept of a rebuild is to understand. Can't wait for the "Can't Believe They Didn't Acquire Anybody at the Deadline" threads on August 1st when the Cardinals are in fourth place.
So you want to be in 4th place and trade whatever is good or promising for prospects? You think that is the winning strategy? Thanks for exactly proving my point.
You don’t understand what a rebuild is or what it looks like.
Adam2 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 13:58 pm
Ike's back on the sauce. careful everyone
The only rational explanation for this kind of trolling is, he works for the P-D and is paid, rather poorly, to drive traffic. The stupidity is just too far over the top for it to be a real person, with these real thoughts.
To be fair, he was this stupid and nonsensical in the past. I don't remember exactly when or about what but his name and level of ignorance are hard to forget.
It has to be trolling. Every one of these whackos seems to live under the delusion that Cards Talk posters somehow control the FO moves of the Cardinals organization.
It's like an angry old man yelling at a cloud because his soup was cold.
His rants/posts remind me of someone who was probably banned?
I asked him his previous screen name and he didn’t respond.
I admit that missing the playoffs three straight years is a bummer....but NOW he’s leading me to believe that as a “bfib” that I AM RESPONSIBLE.
Yikes
Yeah. I kind of do hold you responsible. Where are all of you bandwagon "fans" in the stands? Oh, you all love the club and are first in line for a championship parade and push me aside but can't be found
when they actually need support. No, you are obviously entitled!
Eat !
Hmmm......ok sorry but I live on the East Coast.
Have been to a couple of games in St. Louis and many more when they played in NY.
Question?
Do you hold YOURSELF responsible in any way?
I really do hold myself partly responsible, I've asked on sites like these for the team to not crazy spend. Fans and people with kids can't afford it. Could they have done more winning if they raised prices? Yes, part of me wanted a complete tear down because I don't think a lot of you "fans" deserve any better. Do you now?
Ok got it!
So we’re more responsible than you are?
That clears that up.
Oh ....BTW.....I don’t think us fans are “entitled” to or “deserve” anything.
I will be at Busch and ballpark village to root for the team and enjoy the festivities. I will root for the club even when they might not be any good, so yeah!
Okay, maybe not entitled or deserving, how about spoiled brats?
Good to hear.
I think most fan bases are loaded with loyal fans.
But they also have their share of entitled and fair weather followers.
CT is a microcosm of that!
Oh....does that mean I don’t have to eat [shirt] anymore???
What's the definition of insanity? (doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different result)
And No........BDWJr wasn't going to throw $200-250M in payroll to fix the above problem.
C'mon Rock, you know it wouldn't have taken that much $ to fix the Cards. I am willing to give Bloom a chance because, honestly, I am not in control of the Cardinals. I am willing to see what better talent we can acquire for a season or so, then spend back to the $180M level again. However, I am skeptical the wallet will ever be opened up to that level ever again. (Honestly needs to be higher - baseball inflation continues to grow, yet we dont seem willing to.) But.....if ownership wasn't cheap, the Cards could be turned into a playoff team in one offseason. Just saying!
It would've taken at least that much C4L if you truly wanted to compete for a WS title given the cost of elite players.
I'm not one who thinks this is a three, four year re-build where the team has to lose 90-100 games to achieve success.
With smart move and a solid payroll (ok never going to be $250M but better be no less than $180+M) I think they can easily compete in the NLC no later than 2028.
I just hope Dewitt opens the wallet after the new CBA is in place.
If he doesn't, then just sell.
The guy can only spend what you "fans" give him to spend minus some operation costs and a little profit. Mr. DeWitt Jr. Jr. summed it up absolutely correct, if you boycott, don't show up, support your club, it's going to suck. Basically.
I've given him plenty IKE (season tixs for over a decade! ).
And you're 100% correct, he's always set payroll based on attendance.
But does he? How many years of 3M+ have we had and there have been excuses why they can't spend?
NotAFathersDay9871 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 13:18 pm
I love how difficult the concept of a rebuild is to understand. Can't wait for the "Can't Believe They Didn't Acquire Anybody at the Deadline" threads on August 1st when the Cardinals are in fourth place.
So you want to be in 4th place and trade whatever is good or promising for prospects? You think that is the winning strategy? Thanks for exactly proving my point.
You don’t understand what a rebuild is or what it looks like.
Of course I know,
Rebuild = we suck, have given up, can't do anything right and don't want to spend.
What's the definition of insanity? (doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different result)
And No........BDWJr wasn't going to throw $200-250M in payroll to fix the above problem.
C'mon Rock, you know it wouldn't have taken that much $ to fix the Cards. I am willing to give Bloom a chance because, honestly, I am not in control of the Cardinals. I am willing to see what better talent we can acquire for a season or so, then spend back to the $180M level again. However, I am skeptical the wallet will ever be opened up to that level ever again. (Honestly needs to be higher - baseball inflation continues to grow, yet we dont seem willing to.) But.....if ownership wasn't cheap, the Cards could be turned into a playoff team in one offseason. Just saying!
It would've taken at least that much C4L if you truly wanted to compete for a WS title given the cost of elite players.
I'm not one who thinks this is a three, four year re-build where the team has to lose 90-100 games to achieve success.
With smart move and a solid payroll (ok never going to be $250M but better be no less than $180+M) I think they can easily compete in the NLC no later than 2028.
I just hope Dewitt opens the wallet after the new CBA is in place.
If he doesn't, then just sell.
The guy can only spend what you "fans" give him to spend minus some operation costs and a little profit. Mr. DeWitt Jr. Jr. summed it up absolutely correct, if you boycott, don't show up, support your club, it's going to suck. Basically.
I've given him plenty IKE (season tixs for over a decade! ).
And you're 100% correct, he's always set payroll based on attendance.
But does he? How many years of 3M+ have we had and there have been excuses why they can't spend?
He certainly did have a self imposed payroll formula that was tied closely to attendance.
And I never bought Dewitt's excuses and cries of poor mouth given he could sign any free agent not name Ohtani or Soto (aka the $700M men).
!