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Re: Can St. Louis Cardinal fans withstand the Rebuild Tornado that is about to hit ?
Posted: 04 Dec 2025 16:14 pm
by Cardinals4Life
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 14:14 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:57 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:31 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:27 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 18:08 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 11:51 am
juan good eye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 10:16 am
The Nard wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 08:12 am
juan good eye wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 17:54 pm
If rebuild proves successful BFIB will jump back on the bandwagon like clockwork
It’s more likely that rebuild will become perpetual. Then what?
Based on what evidence?
Based on the pure # of teams that do it year after year. Many more examples of perpetual rebuilding than tanking and turning it around.
“Trust me bro”
That's what they say about socialism too, guy. We can see how often that works.
I was mocking you with the trust me bro quote since you didn’t provide any factual evidence.
If possible stop being a dumb[ash].
And I was mocking you too, guy. I'm not going to sit around and try to figure out how many teams have tanked and been perpetual rebuilders. Just look around the league and use your brain. If you've watched baseball for any semblance of time you know that this number is big.
How many teams who can bring a $170, $175, etc. million MLB payroll to bear when they are ready to transition from "rebuilding" to "competing" have been "perpetual rebuilders"?
There is NO GUARANTEE that they will stick with that model. None. This is new territory for the Cards. If they don't spend, they will NEVER win another WS.
Re: Can St. Louis Cardinal fans withstand the Rebuild Tornado that is about to hit ?
Posted: 04 Dec 2025 17:14 pm
by mattmitchl44
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 16:14 pm
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 14:14 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:57 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:31 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:27 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 18:08 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 11:51 am
juan good eye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 10:16 am
The Nard wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 08:12 am
juan good eye wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 17:54 pm
If rebuild proves successful BFIB will jump back on the bandwagon like clockwork
It’s more likely that rebuild will become perpetual. Then what?
Based on what evidence?
Based on the pure # of teams that do it year after year. Many more examples of perpetual rebuilding than tanking and turning it around.
“Trust me bro”
That's what they say about socialism too, guy. We can see how often that works.
I was mocking you with the trust me bro quote since you didn’t provide any factual evidence.
If possible stop being a dumb[ash].
And I was mocking you too, guy. I'm not going to sit around and try to figure out how many teams have tanked and been perpetual rebuilders. Just look around the league and use your brain. If you've watched baseball for any semblance of time you know that this number is big.
How many teams who can bring a $170, $175, etc. million MLB payroll to bear when they are ready to transition from "rebuilding" to "competing" have been "perpetual rebuilders"?
There is NO GUARANTEE that they will stick with that model. None. This is new territory for the Cards. If they don't spend, they will NEVER win another WS.
If you assume they are never going to spend, then it doesn't matter whether they "tank" or whatever.
Again I think EVERYONE has said that they eventually are going to have to spend at $170, $175, etc. million to be a consistent contender.
But "eventually" doesn't have to be today.
Re: Can St. Louis Cardinal fans withstand the Rebuild Tornado that is about to hit ?
Posted: 04 Dec 2025 18:16 pm
by Ozziesfan41
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 17:14 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 16:14 pm
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 14:14 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:57 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:31 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:27 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 18:08 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 11:51 am
juan good eye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 10:16 am
The Nard wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 08:12 am
juan good eye wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 17:54 pm
If rebuild proves successful BFIB will jump back on the bandwagon like clockwork
It’s more likely that rebuild will become perpetual. Then what?
Based on what evidence?
Based on the pure # of teams that do it year after year. Many more examples of perpetual rebuilding than tanking and turning it around.
“Trust me bro”
That's what they say about socialism too, guy. We can see how often that works.
I was mocking you with the trust me bro quote since you didn’t provide any factual evidence.
If possible stop being a dumb[ash].
And I was mocking you too, guy. I'm not going to sit around and try to figure out how many teams have tanked and been perpetual rebuilders. Just look around the league and use your brain. If you've watched baseball for any semblance of time you know that this number is big.
How many teams who can bring a $170, $175, etc. million MLB payroll to bear when they are ready to transition from "rebuilding" to "competing" have been "perpetual rebuilders"?
There is NO GUARANTEE that they will stick with that model. None. This is new territory for the Cards. If they don't spend, they will NEVER win another WS.
If you assume they are never going to spend, then it doesn't matter whether they "tank" or whatever.
Again I think EVERYONE has said that they eventually are going to have to spend at $170, $175, etc. million to be a consistent contender.
But "eventually" doesn't have to be today.
+1 in a good rebuild you stock pile young talent see which core develops then spend money and trade surplus talent to address whatever holes you still have. They definitely won’t spend during the rebuild when fans aren’t showing up
Re: Can St. Louis Cardinal fans withstand the Rebuild Tornado that is about to hit ?
Posted: 04 Dec 2025 18:17 pm
by cardstatman
Spend what money? You just tanked your revenue.
Re: Can St. Louis Cardinal fans withstand the Rebuild Tornado that is about to hit ?
Posted: 04 Dec 2025 20:46 pm
by Cardinals4Life
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 18:16 pm
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 17:14 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 16:14 pm
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 14:14 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:57 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:31 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:27 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 18:08 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 11:51 am
juan good eye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 10:16 am
The Nard wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 08:12 am
juan good eye wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 17:54 pm
If rebuild proves successful BFIB will jump back on the bandwagon like clockwork
It’s more likely that rebuild will become perpetual. Then what?
Based on what evidence?
Based on the pure # of teams that do it year after year. Many more examples of perpetual rebuilding than tanking and turning it around.
“Trust me bro”
That's what they say about socialism too, guy. We can see how often that works.
I was mocking you with the trust me bro quote since you didn’t provide any factual evidence.
If possible stop being a dumb[ash].
And I was mocking you too, guy. I'm not going to sit around and try to figure out how many teams have tanked and been perpetual rebuilders. Just look around the league and use your brain. If you've watched baseball for any semblance of time you know that this number is big.
How many teams who can bring a $170, $175, etc. million MLB payroll to bear when they are ready to transition from "rebuilding" to "competing" have been "perpetual rebuilders"?
There is NO GUARANTEE that they will stick with that model. None. This is new territory for the Cards. If they don't spend, they will NEVER win another WS.
If you assume they are never going to spend, then it doesn't matter whether they "tank" or whatever.
Again I think EVERYONE has said that they eventually are going to have to spend at $170, $175, etc. million to be a consistent contender.
But "eventually" doesn't have to be today.
+1 in a good rebuild you stock pile young talent see which core develops then spend money and trade surplus talent to address whatever holes you still have.
They definitely won’t spend during the rebuild when fans aren’t showing up
And THAT will be their next excuse!!!
Re: Can St. Louis Cardinal fans withstand the Rebuild Tornado that is about to hit ?
Posted: 04 Dec 2025 20:48 pm
by Cardinals4Life
cardstatman wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 18:17 pm
Spend what money? You just tanked your revenue.
Exactly! Nevermind we've had one of the best, if not the best, fans and attendance for decades. One or two down seasons in attendance SHOULDN'T take away their ability to spend. But they will say it will!
Re: Can St. Louis Cardinal fans withstand the Rebuild Tornado that is about to hit ?
Posted: 04 Dec 2025 21:41 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 20:46 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 18:16 pm
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 17:14 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 16:14 pm
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 14:14 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:57 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:31 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:27 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 18:08 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 11:51 am
juan good eye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 10:16 am
The Nard wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 08:12 am
It’s more likely that rebuild will become perpetual. Then what?
Based on what evidence?
Based on the pure # of teams that do it year after year. Many more examples of perpetual rebuilding than tanking and turning it around.
“Trust me bro”
That's what they say about socialism too, guy. We can see how often that works.
I was mocking you with the trust me bro quote since you didn’t provide any factual evidence.
If possible stop being a dumb[ash].
And I was mocking you too, guy. I'm not going to sit around and try to figure out how many teams have tanked and been perpetual rebuilders. Just look around the league and use your brain. If you've watched baseball for any semblance of time you know that this number is big.
How many teams who can bring a $170, $175, etc. million MLB payroll to bear when they are ready to transition from "rebuilding" to "competing" have been "perpetual rebuilders"?
There is NO GUARANTEE that they will stick with that model. None. This is new territory for the Cards. If they don't spend, they will NEVER win another WS.
If you assume they are never going to spend, then it doesn't matter whether they "tank" or whatever.
Again I think EVERYONE has said that they eventually are going to have to spend at $170, $175, etc. million to be a consistent contender.
But "eventually" doesn't have to be today.
+1 in a good rebuild you stock pile young talent see which core develops then spend money and trade surplus talent to address whatever holes you still have.
They definitely won’t spend during the rebuild when fans aren’t showing up
And THAT will be their next excuse!!!
Well Dewitt III said it that he chuckles when he reads comments where fans say they shouldn’t show up to send a message he finds it illogical reasoning because they turn the revenue machine into payroll machine. So I guess it boils down to he wasn’t lying. He told the truth. The fans sent their message and ownership sent their message. In their mind they spent in 2024 to try to win and fans didn’t show up so why should they keep spending
Re: Can St. Louis Cardinal fans withstand the Rebuild Tornado that is about to hit ?
Posted: 04 Dec 2025 21:58 pm
by juan good eye
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:57 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:31 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:27 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 18:08 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 11:51 am
juan good eye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 10:16 am
The Nard wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 08:12 am
juan good eye wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 17:54 pm
If rebuild proves successful BFIB will jump back on the bandwagon like clockwork
It’s more likely that rebuild will become perpetual. Then what?
Based on what evidence?
Based on the pure # of teams that do it year after year. Many more examples of perpetual rebuilding than tanking and turning it around.
“Trust me bro”
That's what they say about socialism too, guy. We can see how often that works.
I was mocking you with the trust me bro quote since you didn’t provide any factual evidence.
If possible stop being a dumb[ash].
And I was mocking you too, guy. I'm not going to sit around and try to figure out how many teams have tanked and been perpetual rebuilders. Just look around the league and use your brain. If you've watched baseball for any semblance of time you know that this number is big.
[fork-slow] gonna [fork-slow]
Re: Can St. Louis Cardinal fans withstand the Rebuild Tornado that is about to hit ?
Posted: 05 Dec 2025 05:06 am
by mattmitchl44
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 21:41 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 20:46 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 18:16 pm
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 17:14 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 16:14 pm
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 14:14 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:57 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:31 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:27 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 18:08 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 11:51 am
Based on the pure # of teams that do it year after year. Many more examples of perpetual rebuilding than tanking and turning it around.
“Trust me bro”
That's what they say about socialism too, guy. We can see how often that works.
I was mocking you with the trust me bro quote since you didn’t provide any factual evidence.
If possible stop being a dumb[ash].
And I was mocking you too, guy. I'm not going to sit around and try to figure out how many teams have tanked and been perpetual rebuilders. Just look around the league and use your brain. If you've watched baseball for any semblance of time you know that this number is big.
How many teams who can bring a $170, $175, etc. million MLB payroll to bear when they are ready to transition from "rebuilding" to "competing" have been "perpetual rebuilders"?
There is NO GUARANTEE that they will stick with that model. None. This is new territory for the Cards. If they don't spend, they will NEVER win another WS.
If you assume they are never going to spend, then it doesn't matter whether they "tank" or whatever.
Again I think EVERYONE has said that they eventually are going to have to spend at $170, $175, etc. million to be a consistent contender.
But "eventually" doesn't have to be today.
+1 in a good rebuild you stock pile young talent see which core develops then spend money and trade surplus talent to address whatever holes you still have.
They definitely won’t spend during the rebuild when fans aren’t showing up
And THAT will be their next excuse!!!
Well Dewitt III said it that he chuckles when he reads comments where fans say they shouldn’t show up to send a message he finds it illogical reasoning because they turn the revenue machine into payroll machine. So I guess it boils down to he wasn’t lying. He told the truth. The fans sent their message and ownership sent their message. In their mind they spent in 2024 to try to win and fans didn’t show up so why should they keep spending
When people go back to these statements, I take them in the context of - for the team to continuously support a payroll of $170, $175, etc. million, they need attendance to be high and steady to give them the revenue to do that.
But now the team is making a conscious decision to enter an era which is different than any we've seen in the last 25 years. They are making a decision to "rebuild" the organization. And when they get to the end of that period of rebuilding, I don't think that it is guaranteed that the "old rules" will still strictly apply.
If the organization is "saving up" money over these rebuilding years, if they have more money coming in from media rights, revenue sharing, etc. which makes up for the drop in attendance when compared to how much they are also dropping the ML payroll, they could very well have a plan to "advance spend" - to start the process of signing a very few, select, expensive FAs to boost the roster again one offseason before they expect attendance to rise again.
We simply don't know what the organization is going to do in 2, 3, 4 years. So we wait and see.
Re: Can St. Louis Cardinal fans withstand the Rebuild Tornado that is about to hit ?
Posted: 05 Dec 2025 06:14 am
by sikeston bulldog2
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2025 05:06 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 21:41 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 20:46 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 18:16 pm
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 17:14 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 16:14 pm
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 14:14 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:57 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:31 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 21:27 pm
juan good eye wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 18:08 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 11:51 am
Based on the pure # of teams that do it year after year. Many more examples of perpetual rebuilding than tanking and turning it around.
“Trust me bro”
That's what they say about socialism too, guy. We can see how often that works.
I was mocking you with the trust me bro quote since you didn’t provide any factual evidence.
If possible stop being a dumb[ash].
And I was mocking you too, guy. I'm not going to sit around and try to figure out how many teams have tanked and been perpetual rebuilders. Just look around the league and use your brain. If you've watched baseball for any semblance of time you know that this number is big.
How many teams who can bring a $170, $175, etc. million MLB payroll to bear when they are ready to transition from "rebuilding" to "competing" have been "perpetual rebuilders"?
There is NO GUARANTEE that they will stick with that model. None. This is new territory for the Cards. If they don't spend, they will NEVER win another WS.
If you assume they are never going to spend, then it doesn't matter whether they "tank" or whatever.
Again I think EVERYONE has said that they eventually are going to have to spend at $170, $175, etc. million to be a consistent contender.
But "eventually" doesn't have to be today.
+1 in a good rebuild you stock pile young talent see which core develops then spend money and trade surplus talent to address whatever holes you still have.
They definitely won’t spend during the rebuild when fans aren’t showing up
And THAT will be their next excuse!!!
Well Dewitt III said it that he chuckles when he reads comments where fans say they shouldn’t show up to send a message he finds it illogical reasoning because they turn the revenue machine into payroll machine. So I guess it boils down to he wasn’t lying. He told the truth. The fans sent their message and ownership sent their message. In their mind they spent in 2024 to try to win and fans didn’t show up so why should they keep spending
When people go back to these statements, I take them in the context of - for the team to continuously support a payroll of $170, $175, etc. million, they need attendance to be high and steady to give them the revenue to do that.
But now the team is making a conscious decision to enter an era which is different than any we've seen in the last 25 years. They are making a decision to "rebuild" the organization. And when they get to the end of that period of rebuilding, I don't think that it is guaranteed that the "old rules" will still strictly apply.
If the organization is "saving up" money over these rebuilding years, if they have more money coming in from media rights, revenue sharing, etc. which makes up for the drop in attendance when compared to how much they are also dropping the ML payroll, they could very well have a plan to "advance spend" - to start the process of signing a very few, select, expensive FAs to boost the roster again one offseason before they expect attendance to rise again.
We simply don't know what the organization is going to do in 2, 3, 4 years. So we wait and see.
And the waiting is the hardest part.
Re: Can St. Louis Cardinal fans withstand the Rebuild Tornado that is about to hit ?
Posted: 05 Dec 2025 06:49 am
by casey1024
Some of us lived through the '70s and '90s and we made it fine. Bottom line is that there are 30 other organizations that have the exact same hopes and dreams that we have. Lot of dogs after that bone! This is a game and should be enjoyed(at least in my opinion). Our lives will be just fine if we have a rough period.