Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 10:30 am
Then, maybe he's available for less than Wetherholt. Would Donovan for Harper work?
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Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 10:32 am
Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 10:41 am
Obviously, the Phillies would need to send some salary relief. Are they still looking for 3B help. How about an Arenado for Harper trade, even up?
Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 10:52 am
Per BTV:Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:41 amObviously, the Phillies would need to send some salary relief. Are they still looking for 3B help. How about an Arenado for Harper trade, even up?
Harper: +21.5
Arenado: -21.1
“Arenado for Harper, even up.” Is this another one of your “realistic proposals” / “viable solutions”? But by all means, Shady, keep throwing cr@p against the wall, eventually something’s bound to stick.
Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 11:07 am
have you been drinking?Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:41 amObviously, the Phillies would need to send some salary relief. Are they still looking for 3B help. How about an Arenado for Harper trade, even up?
Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 11:37 am
I do not think he is a guaranteed future HOFer. Doing a quick check on https://www.baseball-reference.com/lead ... reer.shtml he stands at 54 WAR. Players he trails include McGuire, Edmonds, Machado, Arenado, Goldschmidt, Freeman. He has 54 WAR. At his current age and performance level he will probably end up with about 66 WAR if he stays healthy. That is in the close and sometimes make it range but not sure fire. Examples of those who didn't make it with more:Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 09:10 amlol... he is a future HOFer.russellhammond wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:41 am Bryce Harper might be the most overrated player of his generation.
I would not trade JJW for him at this stage, but let's not downgrade a future HOFer.
Buddy Bell, Dwight Evans, Lofton, Whitaker. There are others.
I'd say it's better than 50-50 he gets in only due to his precocious early entry into the majors and name recognition. But it isn't a sure thing IMO.
Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 12:23 pm
I think Juan Gonzalez is the only two-time MVP not in the HOF FWIW (excluding current, not eligible yet, and known juicers). Obviously, JuanGone has his own cloud of suspicions too...AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:37 amI do not think he is a guaranteed future HOFer. Doing a quick check on https://www.baseball-reference.com/lead ... reer.shtml he stands at 54 WAR. Players he trails include McGuire, Edmonds, Machado, Arenado, Goldschmidt, Freeman. He has 54 WAR. At his current age and performance level he will probably end up with about 66 WAR if he stays healthy. That is in the close and sometimes make it range but not sure fire. Examples of those who didn't make it with more:Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 09:10 amlol... he is a future HOFer.russellhammond wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:41 am Bryce Harper might be the most overrated player of his generation.
I would not trade JJW for him at this stage, but let's not downgrade a future HOFer.
Buddy Bell, Dwight Evans, Lofton, Whitaker. There are others.
I'd say it's better than 50-50 he gets in only due to his precocious early entry into the majors and name recognition. But it isn't a sure thing IMO.
Your list is odd though. McGwire isn't in because of steroids. The other 4 are active players that all probably go in too. Goldy is the only fringy one.
Barring major injury, he's most certainly going to get to 500 HRs.
Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 13:00 pm
I know most of those are active. Do you think all of them are sure fire HOFers? And what about Buddy Bell, Dwight Evans, Lofton, Whitaker? They are no longer active or on the ballot.WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:23 pmI think Juan Gonzalez is the only two-time MVP not in the HOF FWIW (excluding current, not eligible yet, and known juicers). Obviously, JuanGone has his own cloud of suspicions too...AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:37 amI do not think he is a guaranteed future HOFer. Doing a quick check on https://www.baseball-reference.com/lead ... reer.shtml he stands at 54 WAR. Players he trails include McGuire, Edmonds, Machado, Arenado, Goldschmidt, Freeman. He has 54 WAR. At his current age and performance level he will probably end up with about 66 WAR if he stays healthy. That is in the close and sometimes make it range but not sure fire. Examples of those who didn't make it with more:Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 09:10 amlol... he is a future HOFer.russellhammond wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:41 am Bryce Harper might be the most overrated player of his generation.
I would not trade JJW for him at this stage, but let's not downgrade a future HOFer.
Buddy Bell, Dwight Evans, Lofton, Whitaker. There are others.
I'd say it's better than 50-50 he gets in only due to his precocious early entry into the majors and name recognition. But it isn't a sure thing IMO.
Your list is odd though. McGwire isn't in because of steroids. The other 4 are active players that all probably go in too. Goldy is the only fringy one.
Barring major injury, he's most certainly going to get to 500 HRs.
I just think he is a borderline HOFer. There are lots of them. In fairness there are guys in that are lesser players than he was.
Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 14:35 pm
He is a 2X MVP with a 14-year split of .280avg .387obp .519slg .905ops 142ops+. He has 363 HRs. If he plays 5-6 more years, he should hit 500 HRs by 38 years old. Could he fall off the cliff? Of course, he could. But, to this point, he has maintained relatively good health. I'd say it is way above 50/50 that he is a HOFer.WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:23 pmI think Juan Gonzalez is the only two-time MVP not in the HOF FWIW (excluding current, not eligible yet, and known juicers). Obviously, JuanGone has his own cloud of suspicions too...AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:37 amI do not think he is a guaranteed future HOFer. Doing a quick check on https://www.baseball-reference.com/lead ... reer.shtml he stands at 54 WAR. Players he trails include McGuire, Edmonds, Machado, Arenado, Goldschmidt, Freeman. He has 54 WAR. At his current age and performance level he will probably end up with about 66 WAR if he stays healthy. That is in the close and sometimes make it range but not sure fire. Examples of those who didn't make it with more:Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 09:10 amlol... he is a future HOFer.russellhammond wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:41 am Bryce Harper might be the most overrated player of his generation.
I would not trade JJW for him at this stage, but let's not downgrade a future HOFer.
Buddy Bell, Dwight Evans, Lofton, Whitaker. There are others.
I'd say it's better than 50-50 he gets in only due to his precocious early entry into the majors and name recognition. But it isn't a sure thing IMO.
Your list is odd though. McGwire isn't in because of steroids. The other 4 are active players that all probably go in too. Goldy is the only fringy one.
Barring major injury, he's most certainly going to get to 500 HRs.
I'd like to hear your argument as to how he is the "most overrated player of his generation."
Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 14:38 pm
Wasn't my argument...Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 14:35 pmHe is a 2X MVP with a 14-year split of .280avg .387obp .519slg .905ops 142ops+. He has 363 HRs. If he plays 5-6 more years, he should hit 500 HRs by 38 years old. Could he fall off the cliff? Of course, he could. But, to this point, he has maintained relatively good health. I'd say it is way above 50/50 that he is a HOFer.WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:23 pmI think Juan Gonzalez is the only two-time MVP not in the HOF FWIW (excluding current, not eligible yet, and known juicers). Obviously, JuanGone has his own cloud of suspicions too...AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:37 amI do not think he is a guaranteed future HOFer. Doing a quick check on https://www.baseball-reference.com/lead ... reer.shtml he stands at 54 WAR. Players he trails include McGuire, Edmonds, Machado, Arenado, Goldschmidt, Freeman. He has 54 WAR. At his current age and performance level he will probably end up with about 66 WAR if he stays healthy. That is in the close and sometimes make it range but not sure fire. Examples of those who didn't make it with more:Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 09:10 amlol... he is a future HOFer.russellhammond wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:41 am Bryce Harper might be the most overrated player of his generation.
I would not trade JJW for him at this stage, but let's not downgrade a future HOFer.
Buddy Bell, Dwight Evans, Lofton, Whitaker. There are others.
I'd say it's better than 50-50 he gets in only due to his precocious early entry into the majors and name recognition. But it isn't a sure thing IMO.
Your list is odd though. McGwire isn't in because of steroids. The other 4 are active players that all probably go in too. Goldy is the only fringy one.
Barring major injury, he's most certainly going to get to 500 HRs.
I'd like to hear your argument as to how he is the "most overrated player of his generation."
I think he's closer to 75% likelihood HOF.
Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 15:03 pm
Sorry, I meant to quote AZ_CWaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 14:38 pmWasn't my argument...Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 14:35 pmHe is a 2X MVP with a 14-year split of .280avg .387obp .519slg .905ops 142ops+. He has 363 HRs. If he plays 5-6 more years, he should hit 500 HRs by 38 years old. Could he fall off the cliff? Of course, he could. But, to this point, he has maintained relatively good health. I'd say it is way above 50/50 that he is a HOFer.WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:23 pmI think Juan Gonzalez is the only two-time MVP not in the HOF FWIW (excluding current, not eligible yet, and known juicers). Obviously, JuanGone has his own cloud of suspicions too...AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:37 amI do not think he is a guaranteed future HOFer. Doing a quick check on https://www.baseball-reference.com/lead ... reer.shtml he stands at 54 WAR. Players he trails include McGuire, Edmonds, Machado, Arenado, Goldschmidt, Freeman. He has 54 WAR. At his current age and performance level he will probably end up with about 66 WAR if he stays healthy. That is in the close and sometimes make it range but not sure fire. Examples of those who didn't make it with more:Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 09:10 amlol... he is a future HOFer.russellhammond wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:41 am Bryce Harper might be the most overrated player of his generation.
I would not trade JJW for him at this stage, but let's not downgrade a future HOFer.
Buddy Bell, Dwight Evans, Lofton, Whitaker. There are others.
I'd say it's better than 50-50 he gets in only due to his precocious early entry into the majors and name recognition. But it isn't a sure thing IMO.
Your list is odd though. McGwire isn't in because of steroids. The other 4 are active players that all probably go in too. Goldy is the only fringy one.
Barring major injury, he's most certainly going to get to 500 HRs.
I'd like to hear your argument as to how he is the "most overrated player of his generation."
I think he's closer to 75% likelihood HOF.
Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 15:16 pm
He's a 90 percent HOF. good numbers and will only get better (counting numbers) the big name certainly doesn't hurt.Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 15:03 pmSorry, I meant to quote AZ_CWaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 14:38 pmWasn't my argument...Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 14:35 pmHe is a 2X MVP with a 14-year split of .280avg .387obp .519slg .905ops 142ops+. He has 363 HRs. If he plays 5-6 more years, he should hit 500 HRs by 38 years old. Could he fall off the cliff? Of course, he could. But, to this point, he has maintained relatively good health. I'd say it is way above 50/50 that he is a HOFer.WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:23 pmI think Juan Gonzalez is the only two-time MVP not in the HOF FWIW (excluding current, not eligible yet, and known juicers). Obviously, JuanGone has his own cloud of suspicions too...AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:37 amI do not think he is a guaranteed future HOFer. Doing a quick check on https://www.baseball-reference.com/lead ... reer.shtml he stands at 54 WAR. Players he trails include McGuire, Edmonds, Machado, Arenado, Goldschmidt, Freeman. He has 54 WAR. At his current age and performance level he will probably end up with about 66 WAR if he stays healthy. That is in the close and sometimes make it range but not sure fire. Examples of those who didn't make it with more:Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 09:10 amlol... he is a future HOFer.russellhammond wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:41 am Bryce Harper might be the most overrated player of his generation.
I would not trade JJW for him at this stage, but let's not downgrade a future HOFer.
Buddy Bell, Dwight Evans, Lofton, Whitaker. There are others.
I'd say it's better than 50-50 he gets in only due to his precocious early entry into the majors and name recognition. But it isn't a sure thing IMO.
Your list is odd though. McGwire isn't in because of steroids. The other 4 are active players that all probably go in too. Goldy is the only fringy one.
Barring major injury, he's most certainly going to get to 500 HRs.
I'd like to hear your argument as to how he is the "most overrated player of his generation."
I think he's closer to 75% likelihood HOF.
Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 15:40 pm
Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 16:30 pm
I also wasn't the one calling him overrated.Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 15:03 pmSorry, I meant to quote AZ_CWaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 14:38 pmWasn't my argument...Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 14:35 pmHe is a 2X MVP with a 14-year split of .280avg .387obp .519slg .905ops 142ops+. He has 363 HRs. If he plays 5-6 more years, he should hit 500 HRs by 38 years old. Could he fall off the cliff? Of course, he could. But, to this point, he has maintained relatively good health. I'd say it is way above 50/50 that he is a HOFer.WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:23 pmI think Juan Gonzalez is the only two-time MVP not in the HOF FWIW (excluding current, not eligible yet, and known juicers). Obviously, JuanGone has his own cloud of suspicions too...AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:37 amI do not think he is a guaranteed future HOFer. Doing a quick check on https://www.baseball-reference.com/lead ... reer.shtml he stands at 54 WAR. Players he trails include McGuire, Edmonds, Machado, Arenado, Goldschmidt, Freeman. He has 54 WAR. At his current age and performance level he will probably end up with about 66 WAR if he stays healthy. That is in the close and sometimes make it range but not sure fire. Examples of those who didn't make it with more:Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 09:10 amlol... he is a future HOFer.russellhammond wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:41 am Bryce Harper might be the most overrated player of his generation.
I would not trade JJW for him at this stage, but let's not downgrade a future HOFer.
Buddy Bell, Dwight Evans, Lofton, Whitaker. There are others.
I'd say it's better than 50-50 he gets in only due to his precocious early entry into the majors and name recognition. But it isn't a sure thing IMO.
Your list is odd though. McGwire isn't in because of steroids. The other 4 are active players that all probably go in too. Goldy is the only fringy one.
Barring major injury, he's most certainly going to get to 500 HRs.
I'd like to hear your argument as to how he is the "most overrated player of his generation."
I think he's closer to 75% likelihood HOF.
Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 17:55 pm
I'm all for signing a much needed superstar slugger via free agency when the time is right. Unfortunately this is not the right time and Harper is not the right move especially for JJ.Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:23 amIt's just exploring a possible way to get a much needed superstar slugger. I'd be happy to entertain any other suggestions. But they are few and far between. Many posters would rather just try to bash others that try to be creative.HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:26 amWas this supposed to be a serious question or just a joke? Either way, it's just stupid
Re: Would Cardinals give Wetherholt in exchange for Harper?
Posted: 27 Oct 2025 18:30 pm
You get bashed for making silly suggestions. Harper is 32 and his performance is sliding down. Why would Chaim trade a upcoming player with superstar potential for one on the way down. Harper's best days are behind him but you want to pay him $150+ mill over the next 6 years. Does that really make sense to you? If so, you need to go smoke something different.Shady wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 10:23 amIt's just exploring a possible way to get a much needed superstar slugger. I'd be happy to entertain any other suggestions. But they are few and far between. Many posters would rather just try to bash others that try to be creative.HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 08:26 amWas this supposed to be a serious question or just a joke? Either way, it's just stupid