Whose fault for this train wreck?

[bud white]

Curious how so many of the masses can lay blame on Mailloux when Monty has stated that the same issues surrounding the team now, are the same he encountered when he took the helm last year. If memory services, Mailloux wasn't HERE last year.

So think a little deeper. He's talking about somebody / somebodies who have been here for a spell.

[moose-and-squirrel]

Curious how so many of the masses can lay blame on Mailloux when Monty has stated that the same issues surrounding the team now, are the same he encountered when he took the helm last year. If memory services, Mailloux wasn't HERE last year.

So think a little deeper. He's talking about somebody / somebodies who have been here for a spell.

if you go that direction, you might also assume it's someone in the offensive group as he keeps going on about fore/backcheck and pressure

so of that group, also not here last jan:
snuggerud
suter
bjug

did I miss anybody?

[TampaBlues78]

Curious how so many of the masses can lay blame on Mailloux when Monty has stated that the same issues surrounding the team now, are the same he encountered when he took the helm last year. If memory services, Mailloux wasn't HERE last year.

So think a little deeper. He's talking about somebody / somebodies who have been here for a spell.

if you go that direction, you might also assume it's someone in the offensive group as he keeps going on about fore/backcheck and pressure

so of that group, also not here last jan:
snuggerud
suter
bjug

did I miss anybody?

It doesn’t help that hofer has been swiss cheese and has been pulled twice already this season.. but it’s not just the goalie, the offense has been stale and PP has looked like (bleep) as well

[blues2112]

Curious how so many of the masses can lay blame on Mailloux when Monty has stated that the same issues surrounding the team now, are the same he encountered when he took the helm last year. If memory services, Mailloux wasn't HERE last year.

So think a little deeper. He's talking about somebody / somebodies who have been here for a spell.

I trust your summation of what he said, but I don't read anything that explicitly means players. Strategies?? Team habits? Playing off puck?

Or am I missing something?

[Cahokanut]

This team gives up on this coach by January.

[skilles]

I mean if Hofer plays well we are probably 3-1-1 and I'm not that worried about 2 bad games from Hofer but yeah there are some holes.

The LM trade was really bad and the plan for making it work even worse.

I also thought our preseason and over all approach coming in was very poor

I still disagree LM had modest improvement in his game and the Blues dont need Bolduc, he's a -3 in his last three games playing 10-11 minutes a night. Bolduc still has to develop his game. At some point this trade will be judged a lot differently but its hard to fathom in the clickbait, satisfaction now era.
Simply put the Blues core, well paid players need to lead. Hofer needs to snap out of it. Those two factors are the difference between 3-3-2 and 5-2

whoa whoa whoa.. there's no place for logic in here.. show yourself out mister

Its not logic....its bias

[netboy65]

Boy oh boy there have been some dumb posts on this forum before but this one is up there.

7 games people. 7 effing games.

So you’re a fan of the direction they’re headed huh

Yes. If you’re speaking of the longer term direction, we all should be happy with it. If you’re talking about 21 periods of hockey - I’ll withhold judgement for a while longer.

Coming off a year where they snuck in the playoffs and had the biggest choke in franchise history.

Your bar seems high

Potayto potahto, but losing to the Prrsident’s Trophy team in 7 games not nearly as bad as BEING the President’s Trophy team and losing to the 8 seed (Sharks ‘00)

[skilles]

Boy oh boy there have been some dumb posts on this forum before but this one is up there.

7 games people. 7 effing games.

So you’re a fan of the direction they’re headed huh

Yes. If you’re speaking of the longer term direction, we all should be happy with it. If you’re talking about 21 periods of hockey - I’ll withhold judgement for a while longer.

Coming off a year where they snuck in the playoffs and had the biggest choke in franchise history.

Your bar seems high

Potayto potahto, but losing to the Prrsident’s Trophy team in 7 games not nearly as bad as BEING the President’s Trophy team and losing to the 8 seed (Sharks ‘00)

I mean that is kind of just a technicality, the Jets obviously were not good.

[Army's Mom]

IMO, it's Kyrou and Thomas.

Caveat - they're both bargains, which makes it hard to fault them. So maybe it's on a lack of better talent ahead of them - but when the Blues are slumping, they have no single game breaker who can put the team on their shoulders and reverse course the way a Pronger, Demitra, or even Tarasenko could do.

Thomas can absolutely be a beast during a winning streak, but I have yet to see him change the team's momentum for the better.

Kyrou can be absolutely electric, but I have yet to see him really battle through tight checking enough to reverse the team's fortunes.

They're both elite second liners, and good first liners if paired with a real driver. Problem is, we don't have one.

I was hoping one of them would develop into that. I still think Thomas could.

[callitwhatyouwant]

IMO, it's Kyrou and Thomas.

Caveat - they're both bargains, which makes it hard to fault them. So maybe it's on a lack of better talent ahead of them - but when the Blues are slumping, they have no single game breaker who can put the team on their shoulders and reverse course the way a Pronger, Demitra, or even Tarasenko could do.

Thomas can absolutely be a beast during a winning streak, but I have yet to see him change the team's momentum for the better.

Kyrou can be absolutely electric, but I have yet to see him really battle through tight checking enough to reverse the team's fortunes.

They're both elite second liners, and good first liners if paired with a real driver. Problem is, we don't have one.

I was hoping one of them would develop into that. I still think Thomas could.

I'm under the same assumption. But Kyrou does have 6 points in his last 6 games. So he is contributing. What makes me nervous for the group is that there isn't really a rhyme or reason for what is happening. Hofer became a sieve in 2 games. The Blues jump out on the Red Wings and absolutely throttle them for a period and then score 2 in a period where they gave up 2-1 on shots and the redwings get 3 in quick succession. Then the 4th period where it appears they have to buckle down they start to but offense isn't generated for half the period.

Guys who look like they are paying better.. Faulk/Joseph/Neighbours. (suter but I can't qualify him as better). This should mean the team is taking off. But instead we have lack of really any direct positives. Buchy/Thomas/Kyrou/Snuggs all at 6 points. You would think that's a pretty good start.

I still chalk this up to Hofer laying those 2 eggs is hurting more than anything else. If you can pull those games out of the pile and say you went 1-1 I'm still not too worried. People keep saying the underlying metrics point to the Blues being better than the result, that was the case last year before the big run. But there's some X Factor that is missing that makes those metrics come to fruition more convincingly.

[Army's Mom]

IMO, it's Kyrou and Thomas.

Caveat - they're both bargains, which makes it hard to fault them. So maybe it's on a lack of better talent ahead of them - but when the Blues are slumping, they have no single game breaker who can put the team on their shoulders and reverse course the way a Pronger, Demitra, or even Tarasenko could do.

Thomas can absolutely be a beast during a winning streak, but I have yet to see him change the team's momentum for the better.

Kyrou can be absolutely electric, but I have yet to see him really battle through tight checking enough to reverse the team's fortunes.

They're both elite second liners, and good first liners if paired with a real driver. Problem is, we don't have one.

I was hoping one of them would develop into that. I still think Thomas could.

I'm under the same assumption. But Kyrou does have 6 points in his last 6 games. So he is contributing. What makes me nervous for the group is that there isn't really a rhyme or reason for what is happening. Hofer became a sieve in 2 games. The Blues jump out on the Red Wings and absolutely throttle them for a period and then score 2 in a period where they gave up 2-1 on shots and the redwings get 3 in quick succession. Then the 4th period where it appears they have to buckle down they start to but offense isn't generated for half the period.

Guys who look like they are paying better.. Faulk/Joseph/Neighbours. (suter but I can't qualify him as better). This should mean the team is taking off. But instead we have lack of really any direct positives. Buchy/Thomas/Kyrou/Snuggs all at 6 points. You would think that's a pretty good start.

I still chalk this up to Hofer laying those 2 eggs is hurting more than anything else. If you can pull those games out of the pile and say you went 1-1 I'm still not too worried. People keep saying the underlying metrics point to the Blues being better than the result, that was the case last year before the big run. But there's some X Factor that is missing that makes those metrics come to fruition more convincingly.

Kyrou is contributing, but how many of those points are in clutch situations? Too often, he lets up as the in-game pressure intensifies. This is a veteran team that shouldn't just fold when the backup goalie gives up a couple of stinkers, but here we are. Nobody is leading this team to play better, and Thomas and Kyrou are paid to do that.

[hotrivets]

We likely see tonight if Hofer can get it together.

[Harry S Deals]

Wow you quoted me 9 times on a thread where we lost 3 out of 4 at home and we’ve lost 4 out of 5 for the season where the games have not been close congrats for quoting my threads and on it where it says I am frustrated congrats smart guy

Hey Tampa,
I apologize for coming across as a jerk. That was not my intention.
You are a good poster who deserves respect.
My mistake.

All good, just a passionate fan. I honestly just want to see a competitive game. I apologize as well

The super annoying thing for me with this core, repeatedly is they seem to lack the ability to play hard consistently and that is aggravating . Shoot man my wife makes this comment. This is esp early in games at home. I can honestly say i dont know why that it is, i hear people saying "its a new team every year" "we have to get to our game"

They arent connected offensively very much, too much space in between players, they dont seem to intuitively know where each other is.
They are loose with the puck all over the ice
They dont forecheck hard enough they seem to think some games will be an easy win

sure its still early, lots of better teams have poor records too. i have more faith in Dallas and Tampa for example than the Blues.

We can debate the names on the rosters whether they are good enough but i can point to their track records. This seems to be a mental issue with the Blues core.

[Harry S Deals]

IMO, it's Kyrou and Thomas.

Caveat - they're both bargains, which makes it hard to fault them. So maybe it's on a lack of better talent ahead of them - but when the Blues are slumping, they have no single game breaker who can put the team on their shoulders and reverse course the way a Pronger, Demitra, or even Tarasenko could do.

Thomas can absolutely be a beast during a winning streak, but I have yet to see him change the team's momentum for the better.

Kyrou can be absolutely electric, but I have yet to see him really battle through tight checking enough to reverse the team's fortunes.

They're both elite second liners, and good first liners if paired with a real driver. Problem is, we don't have one.

I was hoping one of them would develop into that. I still think Thomas could.

I'm under the same assumption. But Kyrou does have 6 points in his last 6 games. So he is contributing. What makes me nervous for the group is that there isn't really a rhyme or reason for what is happening. Hofer became a sieve in 2 games. The Blues jump out on the Red Wings and absolutely throttle them for a period and then score 2 in a period where they gave up 2-1 on shots and the redwings get 3 in quick succession. Then the 4th period where it appears they have to buckle down they start to but offense isn't generated for half the period.

Guys who look like they are paying better.. Faulk/Joseph/Neighbours. (suter but I can't qualify him as better). This should mean the team is taking off. But instead we have lack of really any direct positives. Buchy/Thomas/Kyrou/Snuggs all at 6 points. You would think that's a pretty good start.

I still chalk this up to Hofer laying those 2 eggs is hurting more than anything else. If you can pull those games out of the pile and say you went 1-1 I'm still not too worried. People keep saying the underlying metrics point to the Blues being better than the result, that was the case last year before the big run. But there's some X Factor that is missing that makes those metrics come to fruition more convincingly.

Kyrou is contributing, but how many of those points are in clutch situations? Too often, he lets up as the in-game pressure intensifies. This is a veteran team that shouldn't just fold when the backup goalie gives up a couple of stinkers, but here we are. Nobody is leading this team to play better, and Thomas and Kyrou are paid to do that.

Buch has 2 goals and 6pts in his last 7GP
Kyrou has 2 goals and 6pts in last 5 GP

They are contributing for sure but Schenn, Thomas, Holloway and the goalies have really sucked pretty bad

[Army's Mom]

IMO, it's Kyrou and Thomas.

Caveat - they're both bargains, which makes it hard to fault them. So maybe it's on a lack of better talent ahead of them - but when the Blues are slumping, they have no single game breaker who can put the team on their shoulders and reverse course the way a Pronger, Demitra, or even Tarasenko could do.

Thomas can absolutely be a beast during a winning streak, but I have yet to see him change the team's momentum for the better.

Kyrou can be absolutely electric, but I have yet to see him really battle through tight checking enough to reverse the team's fortunes.

They're both elite second liners, and good first liners if paired with a real driver. Problem is, we don't have one.

I was hoping one of them would develop into that. I still think Thomas could.

I'm under the same assumption. But Kyrou does have 6 points in his last 6 games. So he is contributing. What makes me nervous for the group is that there isn't really a rhyme or reason for what is happening. Hofer became a sieve in 2 games. The Blues jump out on the Red Wings and absolutely throttle them for a period and then score 2 in a period where they gave up 2-1 on shots and the redwings get 3 in quick succession. Then the 4th period where it appears they have to buckle down they start to but offense isn't generated for half the period.

Guys who look like they are paying better.. Faulk/Joseph/Neighbours. (suter but I can't qualify him as better). This should mean the team is taking off. But instead we have lack of really any direct positives. Buchy/Thomas/Kyrou/Snuggs all at 6 points. You would think that's a pretty good start.

I still chalk this up to Hofer laying those 2 eggs is hurting more than anything else. If you can pull those games out of the pile and say you went 1-1 I'm still not too worried. People keep saying the underlying metrics point to the Blues being better than the result, that was the case last year before the big run. But there's some X Factor that is missing that makes those metrics come to fruition more convincingly.

Kyrou is contributing, but how many of those points are in clutch situations? Too often, he lets up as the in-game pressure intensifies. This is a veteran team that shouldn't just fold when the backup goalie gives up a couple of stinkers, but here we are. Nobody is leading this team to play better, and Thomas and Kyrou are paid to do that.

Buch has 2 goals and 6pts in his last 7GP
Kyrou has 2 goals and 6pts in last 5 GP

They are contributing for sure but Schenn, Thomas, Holloway and the goalies have really sucked pretty bad

On the plus side, nobody is talking about Holloway breaking the bank these days...

[Sophisticated Shoes]

I saw Monty on a podcast prior to the season and he acknowledged the way the season ended last year was not indicative of how the start of this season may go. He almost warned against being too optimistic, so he either saw something, or experienced a similar situation in his past. I don't think anyone is responsible for the start, just as no single person/player was responsible for the way the team ended last season.