ClassicO wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 10:08 am
He had a .597 OPS in his time at AAA. His MLB career slash is .206/.283/.293/.576. He's the worst-hitting CF in baseball.
His WAR is a generous 1.7 only because of his position, as CFs get a huge boost because of the position. Frickin' Bader had almost twice his WAR.
A team without hitting can't afford this guy, despite his elite defense.
If you wish to keep him, please state your reasoning.
He, Gorman, and Walker all had their runway. Send them down until they prove they can hit - and in Walker and Gorman's case - play adequate defense. (None of them has any trade value.)
I recently found out Gorman is out of options CO.
He's either here on OD 2026 or dealt this offseason.
But agree about Walker, 100% has to be at AAA all season.
No issue w/VSII starting there either as long as there's a better option in CF (and I'm not sold Church is any better a hitter).
gorman isnt out of options. in fact hes only ever burned 1 option year and still has 2 remaining and hasnt had 5 years of mlb service either.
Yeah bernie just doesnt know what hes talking about here. We added gorman to the 40 man roster in 2022. We did option him on september 19th i guess to compete in mi or league playoffs/get at bats. But ylu hVe to spend 20 days in mi ors to burn option year and there was less tham that remaining so he didnt burn one. In 2023 he was on roster whole year. He did burn an option year in 2024.
Thx for sharing that link, I've always been wondering about how many options a player had left and now I have a way to find it!
yeah, weirdly enough number of option years and years til rule 5 draft exposure isnt the easiest to find online. i found this once and bookmarked the page since cuz its not something i easily find online even on any mlb or major stat page websites
the most notable take aways with options are that on position side fermin is out of options. Fermin i dont think will ever be a starter and i was ready to throw away before last season but now im okay with him hanging on bench as 26th man as he did okay in that role last year. as long as he isnt being used as a regular starter blocking other prospects im okay with keeping him. herreras also outnof options but that doesnt matter. pitching side- leahy and obrien are out of options but hopefully both stay in mlb. zach thompson is out of options. we might just cut him from 40 man roster. he just couldnt stay healthy.
blaze jordan bernal and baet are the nost notable guys we still have to add to 40 man roster over winter to protect from rule 5 draft.
ClassicO wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 10:08 am
He had a .597 OPS in his time at AAA. His MLB career slash is .206/.283/.293/.576. He's the worst-hitting CF in baseball.
His WAR is a generous 1.7 only because of his position, as CFs get a huge boost because of the position. Frickin' Bader had almost twice his WAR.
A team without hitting can't afford this guy, despite his elite defense.
If you wish to keep him, please state your reasoning.
He, Gorman, and Walker all had their runway. Send them down until they prove they can hit - and in Walker and Gorman's case - play adequate defense. (None of them has any trade value.)
I recently found out Gorman is out of options CO.
He's either here on OD 2026 or dealt this offseason.
But agree about Walker, 100% has to be at AAA all season.
No issue w/VSII starting there either as long as there's a better option in CF (and I'm not sold Church is any better a hitter).
gorman isnt out of options. in fact hes only ever burned 1 option year and still has 2 remaining and hasnt had 5 years of mlb service either.
Yeah bernie just doesnt know what hes talking about here. We added gorman to the 40 man roster in 2022. We did option him on september 19th i guess to compete in mi or league playoffs/get at bats. But ylu hVe to spend 20 days in mi ors to burn option year and there was less tham that remaining so he didnt burn one. In 2023 he was on roster whole year. He did burn an option year in 2024.
Thx for sharing that link, I've always been wondering about how many options a player had left and now I have a way to find it!
yeah, weirdly enough number of option years and years til rule 5 draft exposure isnt the easiest to find online. i found this once and bookmarked the page since cuz its not something i easily find online even on any mlb or major stat page websites
the most notable take aways with options are that on position side fermin is out of options. Fermin i dont think will ever be a starter and i was ready to throw away before last season but now im okay with him hanging on bench as 26th man as he did okay in that role last year. as long as he isnt being used as a regular starter blocking other prospects im okay with keeping him. herreras also outnof options but that doesnt matter. pitching side- leahy and obrien are out of options but hopefully both stay in mlb. zach thompson is out of options. we might just cut him from 40 man roster. he just couldnt stay healthy.
blaze jordan bernal and baet are the nost notable guys we still have to add to 40 man roster over winter to protect from rule 5 draft.
I've looked and looked for a site like this too, never could find one so thx!
I'm actually higher on Fermin (.283 .377 .417 .793) as the SUP than I am on Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638) who I just don't see as much of a hitter (unless you like singles). Just wish Fermin could play SS (and that's probably the only thing that Saggese has over him).
But honestly both are back-of-the-bench players and easily replaced.
Those three along w/JJW are easily added to the 40 man (bye-bye: Mikolas, Alacala, King, Roycroft, Sinai, ???? and possibly NADO & Gray).
